Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #10

[sceawian]

Also, whether or not he's involved, saying Kerry had nothing to gain from the murders is disingenuous. For someone with such a deep, seething hatred of Barry and Honey, their deaths could be 'gain' enough in itself.

 

[William_60]

I wrote,

Looking forward, public officials had little to lose sticking to M-S if that's what they privately believed, transpired.

Andreww replied:

Yes they did. Especially Chief Saunders who has been under a lot of scrutiny lately.

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Yes, Chief Saunders has been under a lot of scrutiny lately.

I don't see falsely - and very publicly - admitting a major mistake was made by TPS as a means of alleviating it.

That would be jumping from the frying pan into the fire. A house of cards that could be brought down in one or two breaths of truth, later.

All these folks falling into a false narrative and willingly, falsely looking inept to supposedly silence one squeaky wheel?

A wheel that would eventually be ignored by the public in the absence of substantial findings to support their differing argument?

For what? What's the return?

Can't buy into it.

 

[Tortoise]

Lol, If Kerry had said anything he would have been sued.

This really takes the biscuit, IMO. KW decided to risk everything, all his loans being called in, by suing Barry. What more did he have to lose exactly? It sounds to me as if you are putting words into KW's mouth, we either need links to MSM or it needs to be stated as your opinion.

 

[deugirtni]

Lol, If Kerry had said anything he would have been sued. Barry was a bully. His massive wealth allowed him to make life miserable for whoever he chose by using the courts. I read a piece about him yesterday and a quote from a colleague stated that Barry would spend $3 million dollars to get out of paying someone $150,000. He's not the kind of guy you want to piss off.

I get that he's the type of guy who's willing to spend what it takes to defend whatever it is he's defending.. based on principle. Most people have no choice but to settle. Most people can't afford to sue. This guy had the money to follow through on what he believed was right. Those types that hope and expect a settlement weren't going to get that with BS. They were going to have to defend their own side in the courts of our land, spend the legal fees, and take their own chances of winning or losing. Some people seem to believe that because the Shermans had sooo much money, it shouldn't have mattered to him to settle for a few hundred thousand or a few million. For him, in personal cases at least, it seems it was about principle and not about money.

 

[casesensitive]

Kerry wouldn't have really had much choice in the matter. Barry could have called those loans at any time or simply cut him off altogether. I believe he's said as much.

Did you just justify a murder contract on an innocent person so Kerry could keep up his lifestyle? SMH

 

[William_60]

I get that he's the type of guy who's willing to spend what it takes to defend whatever it is he's defending.. based on principle. Most people have no choice but to settle. Most people can't afford to sue. This guy had the money to follow through on what he believed was right. Those types that hope and expect a settlement weren't going to get that with BS. They were going to have to defend their own side in the courts of our land, spend the legal fees, and take their own chances of winning or losing. Some people seem to believe that because the Shermans had sooo much money, it shouldn't have mattered to him to settle for a few hundred thousand or a few million. For him, in personal cases at least, it seems it was about principle and not about money.

Settling. Wouldn't one concern (unstated, ToMyKnowl) be that settling invites other parties to file far-flung suits?

It was the principle though, I agree, that drove the decision to not settle.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Maybe Kerry Winter is correct about his involvement in a conspiracy to commit murder plot, but it had nothing to do with B or HS.

The alleged plot and the real one both took place in the 90s.

Winter then launched into a series of shocking allegations in the wake of the slayings, including that Sherman twice asked him in the 1990s to “whack” his wife. He later failed a lie detector test about his outlandish accusation.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/toronto...rvous-breakdown-sister-in-law-tells-court/amp

Landis Heal, the victim in the case, was reported missing by his former common law spouse, Ms. Schmitke, on August 15, 1994.

[3] The theory of the Crown in this case was that the deceased was killed by the appellant either because he was hired by, or wanted to impress, a local drug dealer, Dana Winter, in Smithers. The Crown theorized that the appellant believed that the deceased owed money to Winter and was about to inform on both Winter and the appellant to the police.

CanLII - 1998 CanLII 5055 (BC CA)

 

[JDG]

Can we just take a moment to review the life of Kerry Winter?

Born into wealth. Adopted, with brothers, into very affluent family.

Those two things would provide him with private schools, the best of everything for a 'good start' in life.

Sadly, the parents both died within a short period so not without childhood trauma. BUT, he's not the first to have this happen.

IF the articles are correct, he was suspended/expelled from school for drug use/possible dealing by 15 yrs and out of the Barkins home.

An uncle, on his mothers' side, sends him to college for more education.

Substance abuse followed and no comments about employment until after he reconnects with BS.

When the men reconnected with BS, at least three of them were supplied with money for cars, houses and cottages plus a generous 'allowance' of $20,000 per month.

After a couple of decades (?) of this, a lawsuit ensues, BS cuts off the money and adds up the debt.

Ten years later, after the courts throw out all claims and award costs to BS, the Shermans are murdered within weeks of the judgement.

Now, maybe I'm totally wrong but I see much of LIFE as being about choices. Lifestyle choices.

As for suing BS, another lifestyle choice. A very poor choice. My understanding of the court case is that they were told it wouldn't go in their favour from the get-go.

Also, they must have understood that BS would take offence and cut off the allowances, benefits that he had provided for what 2 decades??

How can being so privileged during his formative years and so well treated by BS for a couple of decades be the fault of BS?

I understand that there was trauma but many of us have varying traumas, yet surpass them as adults.

 

[human]

Geez, why do the simplest ideas need to be completely spelled out? IF the had wrist bindings on, why in gods name would they take them off until they were both dead hanging from the railing? So no need to bind their arms with jackets after they are already dead is there?

To your second point, because KERRY KNEW BARRY HATED HER GUTS! Kerry is the only person on here that doesn't have his head in the sand because they've bought in to the idea that these too people were happy and in love. This is Canada. You are extremely unlikely to get murdered here, unless you are running with gangs or doing drugs. If you don't fit that category and still get murdered you can bet your ass that your spouse, or significant other did it.

I am curious as to why Kerry would know anything. He said he has never been in their house. That is a lot of years for someone to not be invited to anything at the Sherman home. No dinner, lunch, brunch, party. Zero.

And Barry knew Kerry had drug issues. Who confides in someone with drug issues? Maybe other druggies but non users do not buddy buddy confidentially with a user.

 

[andreww]

I get that he's the type of guy who's willing to spend what it takes to defend whatever it is he's defending.. based on principle. Most people have no choice but to settle. Most people can't afford to sue. This guy had the money to follow through on what he believed was right. Those types that hope and expect a settlement weren't going to get that with BS. They were going to have to defend their own side in the courts of our land, spend the legal fees, and take their own chances of winning or losing. Some people seem to believe that because the Shermans had sooo much money, it shouldn't have mattered to him to settle for a few hundred thousand or a few million. For him, in personal cases at least, it seems it was about principle and not about money.

Maybe it was about principal, or maybe Barry had just learned that nobody could beat him in a tour of law. As an example, I think OJ Simpson proved that if one has the resources, any court action can go in their favour. Courts are a game, and if you can afford to stack your team with all star attorneys, nobody will beat you, right or wrong.

 

[andreww]

Did you just justify a murder contract on an innocent person so Kerry could keep up his lifestyle? SMH

Not saying it was right. Just saying it very well could have happened.

 

[andreww]

Maybe Kerry Winter is correct about his involvement in a conspiracy to commit murder plot, but it had nothing to do with B or HS.

The alleged plot and the real one both took place in the 90s.


https://www.google.ca/amp/s/toronto...rvous-breakdown-sister-in-law-tells-court/amp

That had nothing to do with Kerry, that was Dana. And because of his death, that was never proven.

 

[William_60]

Maybe it was about principal, or maybe Barry had just learned that nobody could beat him in a tour of law. As an example, I think OJ Simpson proved that if one has the resources, any court action can go in their favour. Courts are a game, and if you can afford to stack your team with all star attorneys, nobody will beat you, right or wrong.

But we're not talking generalities, are we?

Why drag in cliches - is this to soft-soak us about what Kerry was up against?

Not necessary. In the broader view of this case, he is unmistakably a sympathetic figure, to varying degrees on multiple fronts. We're not made of stone.

Specifically, though, with regards to The Suit, I'm not seeing a legally winnable case for the boys, strictly on merit.

Do you?

 

[andreww]

This really takes the biscuit, IMO. KW decided to risk everything, all his loans being called in, by suing Barry. What more did he have to lose exactly? It sounds to me as if you are putting words into KW's mouth, we either need links to MSM or it needs to be stated as your opinion.

What, Barry never sued anybody? Seriously, you are saying that Kerry should have brought up Barry's looking to have Honey murdered during his lawsuit? What does one have to do with the other? Bottom line is Kerry knows more about Barry Sherman than anybody that has ever posted in this thread. You can choose not to believe him for whatever reason you come up with, but that does not negate the fact that this was a person that knew Barry intimately, and at the time of his accusation, was not tied to him financially. Unlike people like FDA who you seem to have no problem believing.

 

[andreww]

But we're not talking generalities, are we?

Why drag in cliches - is this to soft-soak us about what Kerry was up against?

Not necessary. In the broader view of this case, he is unmistakably a sympathetic figure, to varying degrees on multiple fronts. We're not made of stone.

Specifically, though, with regards to The Suit, I'm not seeing a legally winnable case for the boys, strictly on merit.

Do you?

The case was never winnable. So why do you think Kerry proceeded with it? Why did he jump off the gravy train? Maybe because he realized that the cousin was only being generous to him because he knew he'd stolen what was rightfully his?

 

[andreww]

I wrote,

Looking forward, public officials had little to lose sticking to M-S if that's what they privately believed, transpired.

Andreww replied:

Yes they did. Especially Chief Saunders who has been under a lot of scrutiny lately.

- -
Yes, Chief Saunders has been under a lot of scrutiny lately.

I don't see falsely - and very publicly - admitting a major mistake was made by TPS as a means of alleviating it.

That would be jumping from the frying pan into the fire. A house of cards that could be brought down in one or two breaths of truth, later.

All these folks falling into a false narrative and willingly, falsely looking inept to supposedly silence one squeaky wheel?

A wheel that would eventually be ignored by the public in the absence of substantial findings to support their differing argument?

For what? What's the return?

Can't buy into it.

The issue here goes a lot higher than chief Saunders. This man had the prime minister, the premier and the mayor attend his funeral. Not coincidentally the mayor payed Saunders a personal visit the next day. What could he possibly have had to say that couldn't have been said over the phone? Barry Sherman had friends in high places, and it was time to call in favours. If you can't see that, then that's your business. Something stinks on every level of this case, and aside from an arrest, nothing will convince me otherwise.

 

[human]

What, Barry never sued anybody? Seriously, you are saying that Kerry should have brought up Barry's looking to have Honey murdered during his lawsuit? What does one have to do with the other? Bottom line is Kerry knows more about Barry Sherman than anybody that has ever posted in this thread. You can choose not to believe him for whatever reason you come up with, but that does not negate the fact that this was a person that knew Barry intimately, and at the time of his accusation, was not tied to him financially. Unlike people like FDA who you seem to have no problem believing.

Why was Kerry never in the Sherman home for any reason?

Kerry’s strange values have made himself look incredibly greedy and incompetent. He was given so much. Barry helped with businesses but Kerry had no whatever it takes to make a go of life. All Kerry did was squander what he was given.

He would have managed to squander a billion as well,

His wah wah is pathetic

 

[deugirtni]

Lol, If Kerry had said anything he would have been sued. Barry was a bully. His massive wealth allowed him to make life miserable for whoever he chose by using the courts. I read a piece about him yesterday and a quote from a colleague stated that Barry would spend $3 million dollars to get out of paying someone $150,000. He's not the kind of guy you want to piss off.

Link?

I could confirm, haha. Read it too. (Barry would spend $3 million dollars to get out of paying someone $150,000.)

No matter how many may have read this, I would love to see who the author of this piece was. And I would love to see the lawsuit this statement was based on. Wealthy people are targets for fraudulent and frivolous lawsuits, and as someone else mentioned, if one settles on one case, it promotes that type of behavior. Again, people seem to expect that just because of his vast wealth, he should just be happy to make nuisances go away by throwing a few hundred thousand at them. And then they call him 'cheap' if he chooses instead to see it to the end in our courts. Pretty sick, imo.

 

[William_60]

The case was never winnable. So why do you think Kerry proceeded with it? Why did he jump off the gravy train? Maybe because he realized that the cousin was only being generous to him because he knew he'd stolen what was rightfully his?

First of all, I don't think he jumped; I think he was told or it was otherwise made clear the train was leaving Port Credit and would be decommissioned.

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So you're saying Sherman was legally obligated to transfer an agreement pertaining to Empire, to a new venture called Apotex.

Company sold, proceeds of the sale to the boys, but there's this continuance...yet there's nothing in writing for this continuance, for anyone to hang their hat on.

Hmmm. And if Apotex failed, what then?

Do they sue HIM for miscalculating the market, for being inept?

Sherman bought a company that had started well, but then floundered under ownership by banks and lawyers.

He then bought it and brought it back on the rails, saw a low ceiling for existing facilities with respect to growth potential and sold it, after having made it attractive to purchase.

If he walks away, rather than purchase and revitalize Empire, what kind of proceeds remain to divy up for inheritors?

I also don't find it inconceivable Barry and friends couldn't have raised the funds to launch Apotex at a later date, without any imvolvement in ownership in Empire.

Buy Empire, or...bust?

Hmmm. I doubt it.

 

[William_60]

The issue here goes a lot higher than chief Saunders. This man had the prime minister, the premier and the mayor attend his funeral. Not coincidentally the mayor payed Saunders a personal visit the next day. What could he possibly have had to say that couldn't have been said over the phone? Barry Sherman had friends in high places, and it was time to call in favours. If you can't see that, then that's your business. Something stinks on every level of this case, and aside from an arrest, nothing will convince me otherwise.

Of course my business is my business.

If you had said otherwise, I might have sued.