Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #14

[Kerry Winter]

So some still believe it was a M-S and only because of the pressure from the Family lawyer (Greenspan) did the TPS rule it a M-M.

What is the advantage or benefit to the family to have it ruled a M-M if that is not what happened?
The parents are dead, the will and estate will go through the same processes regardless of causes of death. The Sherman leagacy has not changed because of the cause of death as far I can tell.

Is there any evidence or indication that it was a M-S. No suicide note, no signs of Clinical Depression. Both Shermans were leading a active full lives, building a new home, planning holidays, involved with friends and extended family, exercising with trainers. Nothing even points to morose, sad or suicidal behavior on Barry's part.

Finally the death scene staging is not typical of a M-S. It is my understanding typical M-Ss occurr in areas that have great significance to the deceased parties. (bedroom, garden, library, etc.) Was the pool area a 'special' area for the Shermans?

The family, specifically Jonathon didn’t want: father went off the deep end, intentionally or accidentally killed his mother....then, hung himself. He prefers, “they didn’t leave us, they were taken”.
This entire cover-up is orchestrated by Greenspan.

 

[dotr]

Nov. 24, updated 33 mins ago
Homicide detectives have a ‘person of interest’ in the Barry and Honey Sherman murder investigation
''Toronto Police have “a person of interest” in the Barry and Honey Sherman murder investigation, the Star has learned through a court proceeding to unseal search warrants in the almost three-year-old case.

Police say they will not publicly identify the individual, both because that could hurt their investigation and — if they are wrong — it would prejudice the interests of an innocent person.''

 

[ldlager]

Nov. 24, updated 33 mins ago
Homicide detectives have a ‘person of interest’ in the Barry and Honey Sherman murder investigation
''Toronto Police have “a person of interest” in the Barry and Honey Sherman murder investigation, the Star has learned through a court proceeding to unseal search warrants in the almost three-year-old case.

Police say they will not publicly identify the individual, both because that could hurt their investigation and — if they are wrong — it would prejudice the interests of an innocent person.''

"... The Star first heard the “person of interest” term last year from Jonathon Sherman, 37, one of Barry and Honey’s four children, who wrote in a letter to the newspaper that he believes “persons of interest” in his parents’ murders are providing information to the Star. He did not identify them..."

 

[ldlager]

"... The Star first heard the “person of interest” term last year from Jonathon Sherman, 37, one of Barry and Honey’s four children, who wrote in a letter to the newspaper that he believes “persons of interest” in his parents’ murders are providing information to the Star. He did not identify them..."

In the last 13 months, Yim said the investigation, led by Det. Sgt. Brandon Price, has included an interview with only one new person, who he would not identify.

 

[dotr]

rbbm.
Homicide detectives have a ‘person of interest’ in the Barry and Honey Sherman murder investigation
''The Star has learned new details of the case through this process. For example, in its argument to maintain the seal on the more recent warrants, Toronto police told court the information “could identify a person of interest.”


Police have not used this term before in relation to the Sherman investigation.


During cross-examination last week, Yim told court that four months into the investigation of the murders, homicide detectives noticed the “start of a pattern” in the mammoth quantity of information they amassed — believed to be witness interviews, banking documents, cellular phone records, video and audio files, GPS locational information and internet histories. The further they have gone in the case, Yim said “a pattern emerges.” What that pattern is, Yim would not say.

Yim also shed light on how the investigation has become one of analysis, not the sort of gumshoe detective work seen on television shows.''

 

[Allynator]

Wow, I just checked on this case earlier in the day.

 

[Tealgrove]

Nov. 24, updated 33 mins ago
Homicide detectives have a ‘person of interest’ in the Barry and Honey Sherman murder investigation
''Toronto Police have “a person of interest” in the Barry and Honey Sherman murder investigation, the Star has learned through a court proceeding to unseal search warrants in the almost three-year-old case.

Police say they will not publicly identify the individual, both because that could hurt their investigation and — if they are wrong — it would prejudice the interests of an innocent person.''

Of course they do! Always thought they did.

Follow the money...........

MOO

 

[dotr]

Nov 25 2020
''Three years after the murders of Barry and Honey Sherman, the Toronto billionaire couple found dead in the basement of their North Toronto home in December 2017, the case remains unsolved and no killer has been found. But in recent days, there have been new developments in the investigation. The Toronto Star is reporting it's gained access to court documents that reveal more critical clues, including search warrants and evidence obtained from outside the country. The Stars chief investigative reporter Kevin Donovan has more on what these new documents could reveal.''

 

[Windsorite]

 

[dotr]

Rbbm, speculation, imo.
sophisticated meanin - Google Search
''adjective: sophisticated
having, revealing, or proceeding from a great deal of worldly experience and knowledge of fashion and culture''

What might we infer from the description of the crime as being" very very sophisticated"?
The Mafia (of any stripe) was involved, sophisticated individuals who directed experienced killers, a sophisticated individual who was also a sophisticated killer, or...???

On another note..
The thought that KD potentially interviewed the killer is spine-chilling, akin to the babysitter urban legend, where- upon calling the cops to report strange phone calls, the babysitter is told to get out immediately because the calls were actually coming from inside the house!
The babysitter and the man upstairs - Wikipedia

Homicide detectives have a ‘person of interest’ in the Barry and Honey Sherman murder investigation
''During the October hearing, Supreme Court Justice Michael Moldaver commented that “this was a very, very sophisticated crime, in my view, committed by a very sophisticated organization, at least it has those hallmarks.”

Among Sherman family members and friends, speculation has ranged from angry business associates of the Shermans to family to mysterious offshore assassins.

During a back and forth with a Star reporter by email in 2019, son Jonathon used the term “persons of interest,” saying he believed the Star was being fed information by people involved in the murders.

“Mr. Donovan has based much of his so-called investigation on information clearly provided to him by people who we believe to be persons of interest in the murder of my parents,” Jonathon wrote in a letter responding to questions the Star had posed, including about his father’s financing of his storage and marina business, his suggestion in a 2015 email to his father that he and business partner Adam Paulin could be involved in “succession” at the Sherman companies, and other matters.''

 

[Kerry Winter]

In the last 13 months, Yim said the investigation, led by Det. Sgt. Brandon Price, has included an interview with only one new person, who he would not identify.

VERY active homicide investigation!!!!!

 

[Warwick1991]

Fingerprints, that’s very interesting!

With the Sherman autopsy, I’d bet my new snow boots that international expert opinion was also sought. A double homicide caused by strangulation with bodies posed in a suicide position is not an everyday occurrence in Canada. Much like some complex medical surgeries, due to the small size of our country we’re not quite world class in many areas and costs wouldn’t be a barrier to the Sherman family. I recall reading somewhere only 22 similar cases had ever occurred in the US.

Canada is the 2nd largest country in the world....

 

[MistyWaters]

Canada is the 2nd largest country in the world....

I was referring to population.

 

[ldlager]

Rbbm, speculation, imo.
sophisticated meanin - Google Search
''adjective: sophisticated
having, revealing, or proceeding from a great deal of worldly experience and knowledge of fashion and culture''

What might we infer from the description of the crime as being" very very sophisticated"?
The Mafia (of any stripe) was involved, sophisticated individuals who directed experienced killers, a sophisticated individual who was also a sophisticated killer, or...???

On another note..
The thought that KD potentially interviewed the killer is spine-chilling, akin to the babysitter urban legend, where- upon calling the cops to report strange phone calls, the babysitter is told to get out immediately because the calls were actually coming from inside the house!
The babysitter and the man upstairs - Wikipedia

Homicide detectives have a ‘person of interest’ in the Barry and Honey Sherman murder investigation
''During the October hearing, Supreme Court Justice Michael Moldaver commented that “this was a very, very sophisticated crime, in my view, committed by a very sophisticated organization, at least it has those hallmarks.”

Among Sherman family members and friends, speculation has ranged from angry business associates of the Shermans to family to mysterious offshore assassins.

During a back and forth with a Star reporter by email in 2019, son Jonathon used the term “persons of interest,” saying he believed the Star was being fed information by people involved in the murders.

“Mr. Donovan has based much of his so-called investigation on information clearly provided to him by people who we believe to be persons of interest in the murder of my parents,” Jonathon wrote in a letter responding to questions the Star had posed, including about his father’s financing of his storage and marina business, his suggestion in a 2015 email to his father that he and business partner Adam Paulin could be involved in “succession” at the Sherman companies, and other matters.''

"sophisticated"- Or maybe the killers are cultured and dressed very fashionably.... lol

 

[dotr]

"sophisticated"- Or maybe the killers are cultured and dressed very fashionably.... lol

O/t, Maybe like this?..rbbm.
Killer Clothing Was All the Rage In the 19th Century

''Killer Clothing Was All the Rage In the 19th Century
Arsenic dresses, mercury hats, and flammable clothing caused a lot of pain.''

Why does it seem like serial killers all wear the same glasses?
''The list of serial killers who wore glasses is long and bloody, from Dahmer to BTK to Harold Shipman and his professorial frames; even the Zodiac Killer, never caught, wears a thick-rimmed pair in a police sketch. The aesthetic of “serial killer glasses” is so pervasive that it pops up everywhere from Urban Dictionary (“Eyeglasses with heavy or severe frames that live somewhere between fashionable and creepy”)''

Fashioning Horror
''With a series of case studies that range from sensationalist cinema and Slasher films to true crime and nineteenth-century literature, the volume investigates the central importance of clothing to the horror genre, and broadens our understanding of both material and popular culture. Arguing that dress is fundamental to our understanding of character and setting within horror, the chapters also reveal how the grotesque and horrific is at the center of fashion itself, with its potential for instability, disguise, and carnivalesque subversion.''

 

[ldlager]

Nov 25 2020
''Three years after the murders of Barry and Honey Sherman, the Toronto billionaire couple found dead in the basement of their North Toronto home in December 2017, the case remains unsolved and no killer has been found. But in recent days, there have been new developments in the investigation. The Toronto Star is reporting it's gained access to court documents that reveal more critical clues, including search warrants and evidence obtained from outside the country. The Stars chief investigative reporter Kevin Donovan has more on what these new documents could reveal.''

RBBM- Meaningful or not, intentional or not, or whether he even knows whether its true, KD specifically states that TPS went "OVERSEAS" to obtain information. This would seem to rule out the USA or Mexico, and bring into focus a couple of different countries IMO- Japan and Israel amongst them

 

[dotr]

RBBM- Meaningful or not, intentional or not, or whether he even knows whether its true, KD specifically states that TPS went "OVERSEAS" to obtain information. This would seem to rule out the USA or Mexico, and bring into focus a couple of different countries IMO- Japan and Israel amongst them

In the Global News video ^, KD also says that the other place LE checked out in the last few months was in Ontario, according to KD- presumably in the GTA. (Greater Toronto Area)

 

[deugirtni]

RBBM- Meaningful or not, intentional or not, or whether he even knows whether its true, KD specifically states that TPS went "OVERSEAS" to obtain information. This would seem to rule out the USA or Mexico, and bring into focus a couple of different countries IMO- Japan and Israel amongst them

Good catch. Also, KD says, 'Toronto police have GONE overseas to a foreign jurisdiction, they won't say which one, to obtain information, basically a search warrant or production order overseas.. that was last May."

I'm assuming he means that TPS 'have gone and issued... ', as opposed to 'have physically gone', since it seems that the results of the warrant/production order seem not to have been received until more recently.

 

[JayFriend]

Notifications again stopped, but here's a news report I just got. It's behind a paywall. Does anyone have more information?
Homicide detectives have a ‘person of interest’ in the Barry and Honey Sherman murder investigation

 

[Sphinx]

"... The Star first heard the “person of interest” term last year from Jonathon Sherman, 37, one of Barry and Honey’s four children, who wrote in a letter to the newspaper that he believes “persons of interest” in his parents’ murders are providing information to the Star. He did not identify them..."

I sometimes think one can " read between the lines " of Kevin Donovan's articles, and in his book. In an excerpt from his book, The Billionaire Murders, published in Forbes Magazine: Who Killed Honey and Barry Sherman: Investigating The Unsolved Billionaire Murders :
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The subject line of the email referred to his sisters as fellow shareholders. In the email, Jonathon suggested that their father’s actions were jeopardizing their inheritance. He referred to Barry as the founder, a reference to his founding of generic drug giant Apotex, and argued that there was precedence for removing or overturning a founder. Jonathon, say people who saw the email, was looking for support from his sisters, but the sisters either did not acknowledge the email or refused to go along with the plan. One of them shared the email with their father, who in turn discussed or shared its contents with others. (slight edit to remove names that are not introduced). Sherman laughed it off. One person with knowledge of the situation recalled Sherman’s remark. “There goes Jonathon, attempting a palace coup.” Nothing seems to have come of Jonathon’s suggestion to his sisters.
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I always thought it interesting that Barry himself said his son Jonathon was trying to wage a palace coup. He joked about it, but maybe subconsciously he admitted more to himself about the possible ruthlessness of his only son and heir. It may indeed be as simple as follow the money. <modsnip>
IMO