Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #15

[ldlager]

Earlier I’d posted regarding an unusual but similar resemblance (ie pattern) of allegations or circumstances shared by both KW and JS as time goes on although JS is the present focus. Uncanny coincidence?

- selfish entitlement to the Apotex fortune *
- allegations about Barry’s deteriorating state of mental health **
- personal psych issues ***
- “father”****
- maybe there’s more but I didn’t buy KDs book.

So....are we talking about JS or KW? It’s resembling the same song, different verse. If this was just a work of fiction, it would probably constitute a copyright violation!

* leading the cousins’ lawsuit for 20%
** as was posted on this thread by KW, VI
*** alleged by SIL after media blitz by KW.
****”Barry was like a father to me” quote -

****ADDING ****
- highly incriminating media interviews - KW appearing on 5th Estate, JS by KD (written) both declaring they were not responsible for the Sherman murders but at the same time raising questions.
- both scenarios now involve demands for repayment of money to Barry as a possible motive, the $300k legal fees for the failed lawsuit and the $7 million dollar promissory note earlier signed by KW, and for JS, the $50 million loan repayment.

JMO

maybe they are in fact the same person...

 

[jennyjenny]

Since this is a forum to express views, thoughts and theories re. death of B+H Sherman, l’d like to state the following:

*KD had strongly suggested in his book JS’s “involvement” in the targeted murders of his dad and mom.

*After 3 yrs he invites Donovan to his cottage for a 5 hr sit down without legal counsel.

*JS goes on to defend his possible involvement.

*Openly talks about his fondness for guns.

*Mentions, without reservation that Alex, his sister is worried he’s going to pull out a gun and shoot her in public. That she is convinced Jonathon’s behind it.

~ You’d have to believe that Jonathon is extremely stupid or there’s indeed a flip side.

Is it possible that this entire roost was planned and orchestrated by Greenspan?! Not only are the children convinced that their parents were murdered....but, we now how a sibling pointing her finger at the brother. And, for financial gain.

Either Jonathon is completely retarded or as sly as a fox. Anyone reading this article is now further convinced B+H were targeted but multiple murderers....possibly arranged and intricately planned by their only son....Jonathon, heir apparent.

One ought to read between the lines and ask themselves why would Jonathon come out now and so clearly be willing to “shoot himself in the foot”?

I state he’s taking one for the team. For all we know, Alex and Jonathon have pulled off a perfect hoax, and you’ve all bought into it. Greenspan is smiling.

Don’t think for one second that all 4 of them don’t know unequivocally their father killed their mother, then hung himself!!!!!

*There won’t be an arrest.

*Nobody will collect the 10 million.

Happy Sunday to all -
Wanted to jump into the conversation this afternoon (rarely post and tend to just follow along). However, I do appreciate KW's thoughts & opinions and as a VI, always look forward to reading his posts. KW... might I ask for your perception of the Sherman sibling dynamics?

 

[ldlager]

I get the impression that something may have come to light during the private investigation, hence AS's going as far as to hire a separate lawyer to ask Greenspan to end the investigation and hand over all the data to TPS. It seems the data submitted to TPS from the PI team prior to that, may have been missing information. I'm assuming it must not have been without debate to end the private investigation if AS felt she needed to hire her own lawyer to make it happen.

"While he, his sister Alex and her husband Brad were allied at the start of the private probe — having regular meetings together with Greenspan and private detective Tom Klatt — Jonathon says that at some point, Alex started thinking he was somehow involved in the murders. Eventually, she hired criminal lawyer John Rosen to push Greenspan to end his probe and give everything it had collected to the police. That happened in late 2019 and Toronto police say they are still going over 20 gigabytes of information compiled by the private investigators."
Barry Sherman’s son says his father asked him to repay tens of millions of dollars, two weeks before murders, but Barry was ‘all in’ with son’s business - Today News Post
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Another revelation in Yim's affidavit relates to the private investigation led by criminal defence lawyer Brian Greenspan and private detective Tom Klatt. According to Yim, some of the information Greenspan and Klatt's team have provided is short on details.

"Some of the tips (provided by Greenspan's team) appear to be incomplete or missing and required further follow up with the private investigators," Yim says in his affidavit. "It is also my understanding that the private investigators will be providing the Toronto Police Service with further disclosure in the near future. The information received from the private investigators will be reviewed in conjunction with the evidence that the Toronto Police Service has collected in this investigation thus far."
Barry and Honey Sherman murder probe receives 'significant contribution' from Toronto Police intelligence squad, court records reveal
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During the Star’s cross-examination of Det. Const. Yim last week, the Star learned the status of information gleaned by the Sherman family’s own private investigation into the murders. The full file — an electronic file containing 20 gigabytes of information — was turned over to the Toronto police last August, eight months after the private investigation ended. Yim said police are continuing to go through the information, which includes tips that came to the Sherman tipline in response to the Sherman family posting a $10 million reward. Yim said police are trying to determine the “fullness and completeness” of the information.

Yim said police are trying to match the private detective’s information with information they already have, trying to determine what, if any, of the tips are credible. He anticipates it will take several more months to finish this process.
Homicide detectives have a ‘person of interest’ in the Barry and Honey Sherman murder investigation | Métis Nation Saskatchewan Business Magazine | Sask Métis News | Métis Nation Entrepreneurs

I would like others input on Answers to the following three questions:
1. If JS or one of his siblings instructed Greenspan to not turn over certain information that Greenspan’s team had uncovered to the police, would Greenspan be legally obligaTed to respect these requests? Or is he under a legal obligation to turn over the info the police?
2. It Greenspan’s appointment or engagement was terminated, is he under any legal obligation, post termination, to turn over information that his team had uncovered to LE prior to termination?
3. If one or more of the Sherman children admitted to Greenspan that they were involved in the murder of their parents, would Greenspan be legally obligated to advise LE of this?

 

[ldlager]

If JS objected to the family hiring the Greenspan team, he would have probably aroused his siblings suspisions even more. His behavior was normal for a grieving son who was acting innocent.

I have to believe there is some evidence the TPS is not revealing, likely video of vehicles near the Sherman house on Old Colony on the night of the murder.

We know approximately when Honey and Barry arrived home that evening.
The questions I would like to ask:
=When did the last staff member of the Sherman's leave the house?
=Was there anybody else present in the house when the last staff member left?
=Did anybody arrive at the house after the last staff member left?
=The perpetrator(s) had to enter the Sherman house sometime that day or evening and leave after.

These perps either walked or drove to the house. If they drove, it likely was in a non-descript or disguised vehicle. Since we have some video of the day after the crime, likely there is also video on the day of the crime. Now the video may be such that it cannot identify who the perps were, (disguises?) and that is why charges have not been laid yet.

When JS showed KD the photo of his hand and the time stamp, that triggered a feeling that JS needed an alibi. Why would he need an alibi to prove he was not there that night?

Can LE identfy somebody's location by cell-phone data?
I would be curious to know locations of JS's phone that night. That would be a better alibi than the time stamp photo.

yes, phone location can be determined by LE. Even if your phone is turned off, or set to airplane mode. Google also has this ability also....
But If JS went out the night of the murders he could have left his phone at home, that is possible.

 

[kiwi50]

I can’t imagine JS going anywhere near the house on the night of the murders, would be interested to know though if anyone was working late in JS and AP’s office at Apotex, wasn’t it close to Barry’s office.?

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Since this is a forum to express views, thoughts and theories re. death of B+H Sherman, l’d like to state the following:

*KD had strongly suggested in his book JS’s “involvement” in the targeted murders of his dad and mom.

*After 3 yrs he invites Donovan to his cottage for a 5 hr sit down without legal counsel.

*JS goes on to defend his possible involvement.

*Openly talks about his fondness for guns.

*Mentions, without reservation that Alex, his sister is worried he’s going to pull out a gun and shoot her in public. That she is convinced Jonathon’s behind it.

~ You’d have to believe that Jonathon is extremely stupid or there’s indeed a flip side.

Is it possible that this entire roost was planned and orchestrated by Greenspan?! Not only are the children convinced that their parents were murdered....but, we now how a sibling pointing her finger at the brother. And, for financial gain.

Either Jonathon is completely retarded or as sly as a fox. Anyone reading this article is now further convinced B+H were targeted but multiple murderers....possibly arranged and intricately planned by their only son....Jonathon, heir apparent.

One ought to read between the lines and ask themselves why would Jonathon come out now and so clearly be willing to “shoot himself in the foot”?

I state he’s taking one for the team. For all we know, Alex and Jonathon have pulled off a perfect hoax, and you’ve all bought into it. Greenspan is smiling.

Don’t think for one second that all 4 of them don’t know unequivocally their father killed their mother, then hung himself!!!!!

*There won’t be an arrest.

*Nobody will collect the 10 million.

Just my view:

Donovan shows what information he has to a prospective source, in this case JS, and tells them ‘this is going to print...would you like to comment?’ IMO that’s what prompted this interview: a damning string of emails prior to the murders that makes AP and JS look guilty.

IMO, JS felt he could do the damage-control by himself. He set it up well: regular-guy clothes, hard at work on a boat with only very basic tools, being sure to point out the his Tesla is an old model...then he blew it.

JS isn’t stupid. He just thinks he’s smarter than Donovan, IMO.

If JS had a lawyer present, his only comments his lawyer would permit would be about his plans on fiberglassing his boat. BS gave a disastrous 60-minute interview and people wondered why he did it. I think in both cases they were simply unaware of how bad what they did was, and how bad it sounded.

If you read Donovan’s book, you know he went into great detail proving this was a double-homicide.

The railing was 3’ high. Measure yourself in a seating position from the bottom of your seat to the top of your head. Now consider Honey’s and Barry’s height, and how they were found in a semi-seated position with belts that kept them in place. They were strangled with a ligature with enough force that their windpipes were cut off, but there was no damage to the hyoid bones. There are more details, but I’d just be repeating what’s in the book.

Based on credible information and sources, HS was murdered and so was BS. No one has been able to prove otherwise.

 

[Rush4087]

Just my view:

Donovan shows what information he has to a prospective source, in this case JS, and tells them ‘this is going to print...would you like to comment?’ IMO that’s what prompted this interview: a damning string of emails prior to the murders that makes AP and JS look guilty.

IMO, JS felt he could do the damage-control by himself. He set it up well: regular-guy clothes, hard at work on a boat with only very basic tools, being sure to point out the his Tesla is an old model...then he blew it.

JS isn’t stupid. He just thinks he’s smarter than Donovan, IMO.

If JS had a lawyer present, his only comments his lawyer would permit would be about his plans on fiberglassing his boat. BS gave a disastrous 60-minute interview and people wondered why he did it. I think in both cases they were simply unaware of how bad what they did was, and how bad it sounded.

If you read Donovan’s book, you know he went into great detail proving this was a double-homicide.

The railing was 3’ high. Measure yourself in a seating position from the bottom of your seat to the top of your head. Now consider Honey’s and Barry’s height, and how they were found in a semi-seated position with belts that kept them in place. They were strangled with a ligature with enough force that their windpipes were cut off, but there was no damage to the hyoid bones. There are more details, but I’d just be repeating what’s in the book.

Based on credible information and sources, HS was murdered and so was BS. No one has been able to prove otherwise.

I agree with you that this was a double-homicide.

I also agree with your statement that JS "just thinks he's smarter than Donovan", and that (like his father had done on 60 min) he "was simply unaware of how bad what he did was" (the interview w/Donovan). But combine those things with the fact that (as you also pointed out) JS also did not prearrange to have a lawyer present for the Donovan interview, and one is left wondering: on what basis was the accompanying statement: "JS isn't stupid" made?

Jmo

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I agree with you that this was a double-homicide.

I also agree with your statement that JS "just thinks he's smarter than Donovan", and that (like his father had done on 60 min) he "was simply unaware of how bad what he did was" (the interview w/Donovan). But combine those things with the fact that (as you also pointed out) JS also did not prearrange to have a lawyer present for the Donovan interview, and one is left wondering: on what basis was the accompanying statement: "JS isn't stupid" made?

Jmo

KW gave it as an either/or proposition with JS being ‘stupid’ as one of the options. I don’t think he is. You can be otherwise intelligent but make bad choices because of hubris. I think that’s why he sat down alone with Donovan. JMO

 

[dotr]

KW gave it as an either/or proposition with JS being ‘stupid’ as one of the options. I don’t think he is. You can be otherwise intelligent but make bad choices because of hubris. I think that’s why he sat down alone with Donovan. JMO

rbbm.
Not quite alone and faintly intimidating, imo.
Barry Sherman’s son says his father asked him to repay tens of millions of dollars, two weeks before murders, but Barry was ‘all in’ with son’s business
''A couple of hours into our interview, there is a knock on the side door of the garage. Jonathon gets up. It is one of his security team doing a “health check” to see if Jonathon is OK.

“Yup, all good,” Jonathon says, returning to his seat. When their parents were killed, the Sherman children hired security guards who had previously worked for Bank Hapoalim in Israel. A detail was assigned to all four children, and as well as Apotex executives including Jack Kay. Kay lost his security detail when Jonathon fired him, a year and a day after Barry and Honey were killed. To this day, the security detail is never more than a few metres from Jonathon, his sister Alex and Alex’s husband, Brad, whenever they leave their homes''

 

[al66pine]

The Reward?

Why do you think nobody would be able to collect the reward if in fact JS was charged and convicted as a result of tips provided? I noticed no limitations mentioned and it was offered by the family, not solely by JS.

@MistyWaters My memory's fuzzy on terms of the reward, so wonder if someone has a link showing ---
1. Who publicly announced the reward.
2. Who was identified as offering it.
3. When first offered.
4. When most recently re-offered.
5. Any more info in addition to the $$$ amt.

Anyone? TiA.

When a $10,000,000 reward is mentioned, ears perk up but accompanying details may be lost in the haze.

 

[dotr]

Family of Barry, Honey Sherman offer $10M reward for information into murders
•Streamed live on Oct 26, 2018

 

[MistyWaters]

The Reward?
@MistyWaters My memory's fuzzy on terms of the reward, so wonder if someone has a link showing ---
1. Who publicly announced the reward.
2. Who was identified as offering it.
3. When first offered.
4. When most recently re-offered.
5. Any more info in addition to the $$$ amt.

Anyone? TiA.

When a $10,000,000 reward is mentioned, ears perk up but accompanying details may be lost in the haze.

And more recently Dec/19 -

BBM

Private investigation into murders of Barry and Honey Sherman closed, police appeal for more tips
“Police and the Sherman family released a joint statement to announce the private investigation, led by the family’s lawyer Brian Greenspan, is now closed.....

.....The family, who hired the team of private investigators to probe the murders shortly after the couple was found dead, had offered a $10 million reward to anyone with information that could lead to the apprehension of the couple’s killer.

The reward will now be administered in consultation with police instead of through the private investigation, Idsinga said...”

 

[Rush4087]

KW gave it as an either/or proposition with JS being ‘stupid’ as one of the options. I don’t think he is. You can be otherwise intelligent but make bad choices because of hubris. I think that’s why he sat down alone with Donovan. JMO

I agree that hubris may have caused JS to make a bad choice about the interview.

But I think KW was insinuating that JS was somehow "sly as a fox", and that between JS, his siblings (including even Alex), and Greenspan, that they were somehow perpetrating a massive double-blind hoax - some grand conspiracy (even using Donovan as an unknowing pawn) to distract authorities and the public away from (KW's favored) murder-suicide narrative. I just don't buy that. Admittedly this is because I don't think JS and his siblings are smart enough (not to mention cohesive enough) to pull it off.

Back to the murders, I guess the recent discussion has been about whether JS could have been involved, with the specific questions being: 1.) Was he smart (or scheming or devious) enough (with KW himself suggesting that JS must either be "completely retarded or sly as a fox")? and, 2.) Did JS have the courage (I know, courage is not the right word - maybe a better way to put that would be to ask: did JS "have it in him")? I don't think he did (that's where I thought JS's reluctance to meet alone with his father, and his performance at the funeral, were perhaps telling). All just my opinion.

KW obviously doesn't think JS murdered BS and HS. Yet he apparently thinks JS is "sly as a fox" - sly enough (along with his apparently equally-sly siblings and Greenspan) to be capable of pulling off a massive hoax in order to distract investigators and the public away from the murder-suicide narrative. It's quite a claim.

So I think there are other possible POI's that rank higher up on the list than JS. Individuals that had motive - yet who also WERE sly as a fox, and DID have it in them.

That list includes some who are very close to JS - including some who may have used him (and may be continuing to use him) as a scapegoat. It also includes some who (as KW pointed out) may be using JS as a smoke screen. It also includes others who (I'm sure for now anyway) are just sitting back and enjoying the show.

All jmo.

Btw, I think that either/or propositions are the great bane of WS!

 

[Sphinx]

Since this is a forum to express views, thoughts and theories re. death of B+H Sherman, l’d like to state the following:

*KD had strongly suggested in his book JS’s “involvement” in the targeted murders of his dad and mom.

*After 3 yrs he invites Donovan to his cottage for a 5 hr sit down without legal counsel.

*JS goes on to defend his possible involvement.

*Openly talks about his fondness for guns.

*Mentions, without reservation that Alex, his sister is worried he’s going to pull out a gun and shoot her in public. That she is convinced Jonathon’s behind it.

~ You’d have to believe that Jonathon is extremely stupid or there’s indeed a flip side.

Is it possible that this entire roost was planned and orchestrated by Greenspan?! Not only are the children convinced that their parents were murdered....but, we now how a sibling pointing her finger at the brother. And, for financial gain.

Either Jonathon is completely retarded or as sly as a fox. Anyone reading this article is now further convinced B+H were targeted but multiple murderers....possibly arranged and intricately planned by their only son....Jonathon, heir apparent.

One ought to read between the lines and ask themselves why would Jonathon come out now and so clearly be willing to “shoot himself in the foot”?

I state he’s taking one for the team. For all we know, Alex and Jonathon have pulled off a perfect hoax, and you’ve all bought into it. Greenspan is smiling.

Don’t think for one second that all 4 of them don’t know unequivocally their father killed their mother, then hung himself!!!!!

*There won’t be an arrest.

*Nobody will collect the 10 million.

Interesting theory KW, and thank you for posting here.

One thing that has always bothered me are two small pieces of evidence that do not seem to perfectly support either double murder, or murder/suicide. Honey's cell phone was found on the floor of the upstairs washroom she never used, by the housekeeper. Barry's gloves and some papers from the Architect's meeting were found on the floor of the hall near the door he entered from the parking garage. The real estate agent found these, and placed them on a ledge in the hall. Neither the housekeeper, nor the real estate agent knew that Barry and Honey were dead when they found, and moved these items. It seems this evidence was left where each was attacked, and possibly killed, or maybe they were forced to walk from there to where the deaths took place. There was mention of drag marks on the carpet, where Honey was concerned, so maybe she was killed there, and the body dragged to the pool area. Barry might have been clever enough to leave that evidence if he wanted people to think it was really a double murder, but it is highly unlikely professional killers would have been so sloppy, as to leave evidence lying on the floor, if they wanted it to look like a murder suicide, unless they might have wanted to give the impression it was not a professional hit team. It is strange that this happened with both Honey and Barry. There did not seem to be other mistakes, or evidence left behind, unless it might be the evidence of their wrists having been bound, and no zip ties or other restraints found at the scene. It could also mean that non-professional killers were involved. I am not sure what all this means, but I do think it is important, and I hope one day it is explained. IMO

 

[deugirtni]

I can’t imagine JS going anywhere near the house on the night of the murders, would be interested to know though if anyone was working late in JS and AP’s office at Apotex, wasn’t it close to Barry’s office.?

I wonder if anyone had access to a spare key for B's car? And perhaps could've helped himself into the backseat and hidden there while B was at the office, and then travelled along, unbeknownst to BS, and perhaps gained access, along with B, into the underground garage and from there, into the house? And possibly same for H? Or someone may have already gained entry at some prior time and hid in waiting inside the house somewhere for H.

I recall that Fifth Estate filming session just two days prior to police holding their press conference to announce double homicide, when they had 'lookalikes' being filmed on the Shermans' street, with B driving his car, etc. Similar cars had been rented and lookalikes had been cast. I always felt weird about the timing of that, and that it may have been more than it appeared to be. The Fifth Estate episode was televised on February 2, 2018.

I also wonder if someone had already gained entry into B's vehicle and killed him in the car, from the backseat, at some point (at a stop for fast food on the way home or something)? Then drove his car home, into the underground garage, and had help waiting there to assist in getting his body into the pool area. Then dropped the papers and gloves, making it look like it happened at the house. Except there would be no evidence of anyone else arriving, other than BS, making it (supposedly) appear that B must've therefore 'done it'. Fifth Estate was filming them driving the street and going into neighbouring driveways. Could it have been a re-enactment to assist police without any of the players knowing about it? ie police then get access to the video to see what they could see inside the car at certain points, and they can perhaps then compare it to neighbouring security video footage.
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It wasn’t a movie but a re-enactment for an upcoming episode of the CBC’s The Fifth Estate — which will detail the final trip home for the philanthropic couple whose bodies were discovered in the pool area of their home. Toronto Police are now investigating what they say is a suspicious death.

The cars were rented and the actors hired for the day.

“I have been in some other things but I got the job because I knew somebody at the CBC,” said actor Peter Softly, who was playing Barry Sherman.

They were using a 2004 Mustang, resembling the 1999 Mustang driven by Barry Sherman. His Mustang was towed for testing from the Sherman’s property Jan. 15.
Sherman lookalikes 'eerie' as camera crews roll into neighbourhood | Toronto Sun
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https://www.cbc.ca/fifth/episodes/2017-2018/the-mystery-of-the-sherman-murders

 

[Deleted member 102539]

rbbm.
Not quite alone and faintly intimidating, imo.
Barry Sherman’s son says his father asked him to repay tens of millions of dollars, two weeks before murders, but Barry was ‘all in’ with son’s business
''A couple of hours into our interview, there is a knock on the side door of the garage. Jonathon gets up. It is one of his security team doing a “health check” to see if Jonathon is OK.

“Yup, all good,” Jonathon says, returning to his seat. When their parents were killed, the Sherman children hired security guards who had previously worked for Bank Hapoalim in Israel. A detail was assigned to all four children, and as well as Apotex executives including Jack Kay. Kay lost his security detail when Jonathon fired him, a year and a day after Barry and Honey were killed. To this day, the security detail is never more than a few metres from Jonathon, his sister Alex and Alex’s husband, Brad, whenever they leave their homes''

bbm
That are the 3 from Apotex. What is with their siblings, both the sisters Lauren and Kaelen and Lauren's children, I wonder.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I can’t imagine JS going anywhere near the house on the night of the murders, would be interested to know though if anyone was working late in JS and AP’s office at Apotex, wasn’t it close to Barry’s office.?

Did they have an office already at this time, before the murder?

 

[al66pine]

Source of Reward $$$?

... recently Dec/19 -
BBM Private investigation into murders of Barry and Honey Sherman closed, police appeal for more tips
.... The family... had offered a $10 million reward to anyone with information that could lead to the apprehension of the couple’s killer....

MistyWaters sbm Thx for posting the link & quote.
Not aimed at you MistyWaters, thinking about offered by the family.

I can imagine a family w four sibs, ea a multi-millionaire, where one pipes up publicly re a $10,000,000 reward, presumably made on behalf of all four, but one of them would not contribute enough to buy the tipster a box of Tim Bits* or a side order of poutine. Not saying applicable here, but to a hypothetical family. my2cts.

* Snacks and Baked Goods | Tim Hortons

 

[Kerry Winter]

Since this is a forum to express views, thoughts and theories re. death of B+H Sherman, l’d like to state the following:

*KD had strongly suggested in his book JS’s “involvement” in the targeted murders of his dad and mom.

*After 3 yrs he invites Donovan to his cottage for a 5 hr sit down without legal counsel.

*JS goes on to defend his possible involvement.

*Openly talks about his fondness for guns.

*Mentions, without reservation that Alex, his sister is worried he’s going to pull out a gun and shoot her in public. That she is convinced Jonathon’s behind it.

~ You’d have to believe that Jonathon is extremely stupid or there’s indeed a flip side.

Is it possible that this entire roost was planned and orchestrated by Greenspan?! Not only are the children convinced that their parents were murdered....but, we now how a sibling pointing her finger at the brother. And, for financial gain.

Either Jonathon is completely retarded or as sly as a fox. Anyone reading this article is now further convinced B+H were targeted but multiple murderers....possibly arranged and intricately planned by their only son....Jonathon, heir apparent.

One ought to read between the lines and ask themselves why would Jonathon come out now and so clearly be willing to “shoot himself in the foot”?

I state he’s taking one for the team. For all we know, Alex and Jonathon have pulled off a perfect hoax, and you’ve all bought into it. Greenspan is smiling.

Don’t think for one second that all 4 of them don’t know unequivocally their father killed their mother, then hung himself!!!!!

*There won’t be an arrest.

*Nobody will collect the 10 million.

KNOW: Greenspan is still very hands on. He’s been paid to do a job and he’s doing in IMO quite well. Less about catching murderers and more about keeping the double murder alive and believable. Make no mistake....he’s playing a very naughty game.

 

[casesensitive]

KNOW: Greenspan is still very hands on. He’s been paid to do a job and he’s doing in IMO quite well. Less about catching murderers and more about keeping the double murder alive and believable. Make no mistake....he’s playing a very naughty game.

It isn't feasible (wildy insane actually) that a son would take on the heat, shame and public scorn by purposely (sly as a fox) making himself look guilty of killing his parents---just to disprove a M/S. And his siblings and Greenspan are playing along so that Barry's reputation isn't tainted, as JS becomes public enemy number one?

That's quite a stretch KW. jmo