CANADA Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #18

[juli99]

Does Jonathan Sherman still own this business in Apsley Ontario?

Lakeview Cottages & Marina 705-656-4239 Apsley

I looked at the photos on FB for these cottages and I think I see him, especially him holding the fish...I was just curious because I was mentioning this case to a friend of mine today and they said his son owns property around the Kawarthas. So I started looking around and I found this place.
Lakeview Cottages, Auto & Marine – Chandos Lake’s premier provider of accommodations and services

Edit: I also spot AP in some of these pics on FB and on the cottage website.

Seems like he still owned it as of September last year.

Owner gets apologies after swastika painted at Apsley commercial building

"A businessperson whose property in Apsley was defaced with anti-Semitic graffiti spoke out about the “disturbing” incident at a North Kawartha Township meeting Tuesday.

Jonathon Sherman, owner of Lakeview Cottages and Marina on Chandos Lake, told council that one of his properties was vandalized with a swastika last month."

 

[Window21]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...e21db0bc53ba&usg=AOvVaw0MxT40vVG9lDCLcDflGvVh

They both do own this property! This is a copy from the towns council meeting. I don't know how to copy a direct link because it is a link I had to down load.


Zoning By-Law Amendment Application #ZA-11-14 (Tucker)

"Jim Sangster identified the lands and the purpose and effect.

The Chair called for anyone present to speak in favour of the application. Jon Sherman and Adam Paulin were present to speak in favour of the application which is to allow marine storage, use of the garage for marine repairs and to legalize the apartments.
Regular Meeting 2014-07-15 Page 7 of 18
Jon Sherman and Adam Paulin are the new potential owners of the property but want to ensure that everything is legal before the purchase is completed. There will be no immediate changes. They intend to use the property in the same manner but want to know the uses are legal. They would like to use the property to keep the marina property at Lakeview Marina from being too congested.

Mayor Whelan asked them to expand on some of the uses. They explained that Open storage referred to boats and trailers. Regarding marine repair, the property has already been used for winterization in the past. Their operation is about 1/8 of the size of the existing operation.
The business is set back on the property to reduce noise and there is a tree line for a sound barrier. Noise and activity will likely be decreased. The Chair called for anyone present to speak against the application. Una Warner, KeithWarner and Mr. Hobson were present. Una Warner spoke to their concerns which were with
the noise of operation. Living next to a noisy business was not why she moved from the city.
She voiced concerns that the business will expand and concerns that there should be a site plan to ensure the property is maintained in the same use.
There was discussion on the aggregate resource area. The potential owners do not intend to have gravel. Mr. Sangster added that it is a use on a rural property because it is a permitted use on the existing zoning however a gravel pit would require Ministry of Natural Resources and many other approvals before opening. The new potential owners would be happy to agree to not have an aggregate use.
The potential owners hope to be part of the community and appreciate their neighbours concerns and will address those concerns.

Councillor Amyotte discussed site plan control. She suggested deferring to look at a site plan that would work for both the applicants and the neighbours.
The potential owners added that the sale of the property is conditional on the zone approval and they want to close the deal as soon as possible. Also, August begins boat storage month.
Mr. Sherman and Mr. Paulin inquired if they would be able to get just a boat storage
agreement.
Jim Sangster discussed pages 3 to 5 of the planner’s report regarding the list of items in the Official Plan that are applicable and must be addressed in the site plan itself."

 

[Lexiintoronto]

https://twitter.com/_kevindonovan/status/1495224530565939200?s=20&t=C02IWnpOfFMfFJDU6G-BBw

…tomorrow!

 

[Window21]

In Barry and Honey Sherman’s murder case, police fumbled while clock ticked

"Toronto homicide detectives are, for the first time, releasing images and other information from their case in the hopes the public can help them solve the crime.
Homicide officer in charge Insp. Hank Idsinga and lead investigator Det.-Sgt. Brandon Price will provide the information and an update on their investigation Tuesday morning, sources say."

"how quickly did police obtain DNA and fingerprint samples from people (personal trainers, a Sherman assistant, friends of the Shermans) who were known to have been in the Sherman home prior to the deaths? Police did not begin collecting those samples for roughly nine months"

"Search warrant applications reveal police spent a great deal of time looking for a suicide note, interviewing family and friends about the Sherman’s mental health, and almost no time in the first six weeks probing the double murder theory. This, despite Sherman son Jonathon telling police in one of two sworn statements he gave (Dec. 23 and Dec. 24) that “there are people out there who would have a grudge against them and would have a reason to hurt them.”

 

[dotr]

2 pages in today's hardcopy.
Feb 20 2022
Murder, missteps and the ‘elephant in the room’ in the Barry and Honey Sherman case | The Star
''This legal battle is about the principle of open courts, and police accountability.

Justice Leslie Pringle of the Ontario Court of Justice, presiding over the Star’s attempts to further unseal the files, has said the Star is providing an important service.

“Mr. Donovan wishes to subject the police investigation to public scrutiny, to examine why it is taking so long and to expose if mistakes have been made. This is important and appropriate. Freedom of expression requires that the media be free to criticize and second-guess the police investigation,” Pringle wrote in a decision May 25, 2021, one of six rulings she has made in the case. On two occasions, significant portions of the investigative files have been unsealed.

The Shermans were murdered in their Toronto home on Dec. 13, 2017. The documents that have been made public through this court process have allowed us to write about what went wrong in the probe, in the hope that mistakes will not be repeated in future investigations. There was the initial misdiagnosis of murder-suicide, and the crucial investigative time lost when the wrong questions were being asked. Most recently it helped me learn that what the police called their “exhaustive canvass” of the neighbourhood missed a synagogue two blocks away on the Shermans’ street.''

 

[ldlager]

From today’s Star article by kD:

“…For example, one section of the ITO states how “an extensive canvass of the neighbourhood has failed to reveal any persons who could provide compelling information in relation to the deaths of the Shermans.” I heard through a friend that a choir was practising the night of the murders at Temple Emanu-El, a synagogue on the Shermans’ street, two blocks from their home. I spoke to the executive director, the rabbi and a choir member who was there Wednesday, Dec. 13, 2017. The police never spoke to any of them, nor did they ask for video.

This is roughly in the area where the Walking Man was seen, and early on, Honey’s sister was telling police the killings could have been a “religious hate crime.” Should police not have visited the synagogue to see if they had heard or seen something? Now, none of the three people I spoke to recalled seeing anything of importance, but there were many others that night who police could have spoken to. The point I made in court was, just how “extensive” was this canvass?…”

 

[Window21]

My apologies for my post above. I cannot seem to edit it. I had today's article open as well as this older article and I accidentally discussed the older article. There will be no new release of info this Tuesday. That is an old article.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

My apologies for my post above. I cannot seem to edit it. I had today's article open as well as this older article and I accidentally discussed the older article. There will be no new release of info this Tuesday. That is an old article.

I’ve done that as well. The article you posted is older, but it ties into today’s article.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

From today’s Star article by kD:

“…For example, one section of the ITO states how “an extensive canvass of the neighbourhood has failed to reveal any persons who could provide compelling information in relation to the deaths of the Shermans.” I heard through a friend that a choir was practising the night of the murders at Temple Emanu-El, a synagogue on the Shermans’ street, two blocks from their home. I spoke to the executive director, the rabbi and a choir member who was there Wednesday, Dec. 13, 2017. The police never spoke to any of them, nor did they ask for video.

This is roughly in the area where the Walking Man was seen, and early on, Honey’s sister was telling police the killings could have been a “religious hate crime.” Should police not have visited the synagogue to see if they had heard or seen something? Now, none of the three people I spoke to recalled seeing anything of importance, but there were many others that night who police could have spoken to. The point I made in court was, just how “extensive” was this canvass?…”

I had to stop reading at that point and take an aspirin.

One possible route for the NW was right through that area.

 

[WINDSOR]

I had to stop reading at that point and take an aspirin.

One possible route for the NW was right through that area.

I have been a strong supporter of the TPS in their efforts to solve this case. I must admit that in hindsight, that quite possibly the TPS were not as diligent and aggressive as they might have been initially. They also appear to have dedicated significant resources to blocking the media and access to case files. Quite possibly the TPS might have focused initially on the one person who they believed was the main POI, and assumed that it would be easy to collect enough evidence to lay charges and get a conviction. The TPS could have possibly underestimated the skill of this POI, or even worse, realized this initial POI was not involved and the TPS had to start all over.

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I had postulated previously that possibly there was a second individual in the Sherman house with the Night Walker, possibly somebody known to the Shermans. Even if this 'known' person left DNA in the Sherman house, it would not be incriminating.
I expected some sleuthers to either agree or disagree. To me having someone in the home with the NW makes a lot of sense. Someone with a personal touch to work out the staging and so on.

Is there any evidence one way or the other regarding the number of assailants?

 

[dotr]

Presumably the article referenced in KD's article.. rbbm, fwiw.
October 24, 2018 by MATTHEW CAMPBELL
Who Killed the Billionaire Founder of a Generic Drug Empire? (bloomberg.com)

Murder, missteps and the ‘elephant in the room’ in the Barry and Honey Sherman case | StCatharinesStandard.ca
Feb 20 2022
''I argued in court that it is my belief that a lot of what remains sealed relates to Winter and two other people. The only small hint of Kerry Winter in the ITOs is a link police have included to a Bloomberg article about Winter and his battle with Sherman in which Winter is quoted saying, “I had plenty of opportunity — and motive — to kill Barry.” The link is there, but police have sealed the commentary describing why they believe that article is important enough to include it in an ITO.

In a similar fashion, the witness statement given by Barry Sherman’s friend and business associate Frank D’Angelo is nowhere to be found. As I told court, D’Angelo also gave a statement to Price early in the investigation. Like the Winter statement, I told court it was my belief D’Angelo’s statement is under seal — the second “elephant in the room.”

''Unlike Winter, D’Angelo’s name has recently been unsealed in one area, a minor comment about one of the businesses he and Barry were involved in. (Barry financially backed D’Angelo for decades.) In another spot in the ITO, there is a newly unsealed statement by Barry’s second in command, Jack Kay, who in describing plans for the Sherman funeral tells police the Sherman family “will do a private and public funeral service and the children told Jack to make sure that [redacted] does not show up.” I pointed out to court that sealing the name of the person made no sense because it has been reported publicly that the Sherman children, particularly Jonathon, did not want D’Angelo at the funeral and asked Kay to deliver the message. D’Angelo confirms this.''

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Presumably the article referenced in KD's article.. rbbm, fwiw.
October 24, 2018 by MATTHEW CAMPBELL
Who Killed the Billionaire Founder of a Generic Drug Empire? (bloomberg.com)

Murder, missteps and the ‘elephant in the room’ in the Barry and Honey Sherman case | StCatharinesStandard.ca
Feb 20 2022
''I argued in court that it is my belief that a lot of what remains sealed relates to Winter and two other people. The only small hint of Kerry Winter in the ITOs is a link police have included to a Bloomberg article about Winter and his battle with Sherman in which Winter is quoted saying, “I had plenty of opportunity — and motive — to kill Barry.” The link is there, but police have sealed the commentary describing why they believe that article is important enough to include it in an ITO.

In a similar fashion, the witness statement given by Barry Sherman’s friend and business associate Frank D’Angelo is nowhere to be found. As I told court, D’Angelo also gave a statement to Price early in the investigation. Like the Winter statement, I told court it was my belief D’Angelo’s statement is under seal — the second “elephant in the room.”

''Unlike Winter, D’Angelo’s name has recently been unsealed in one area, a minor comment about one of the businesses he and Barry were involved in. (Barry financially backed D’Angelo for decades.) In another spot in the ITO, there is a newly unsealed statement by Barry’s second in command, Jack Kay, who in describing plans for the Sherman funeral tells police the Sherman family “will do a private and public funeral service and the children told Jack to make sure that [redacted] does not show up.” I pointed out to court that sealing the name of the person made no sense because it has been reported publicly that the Sherman children, particularly Jonathon, did not want D’Angelo at the funeral and asked Kay to deliver the message. D’Angelo confirms this.''

KD has always mentioned three POIs, and that he knew who they were but wouldn’t name them until he could. I think we’re edging closer to the police confirming what KD believes.

KD has written the most about Jonathon and he’s never seemed that serious about FDA or KW, imo. Both get written about with disclaimers—KW’s past drug use is mentioned, FDA is almost described as a caricature of a mobster.

ETA: You mentioned the Bloomberg article. I’m going to dig up the quote, but KW told us here that he spoke extensively with Bloomberg and I think he was expecting his version of the story to be told uninterrupted or an exposé (imo). Instead the focus was Barry, Honey, those that loved them, a few paragraphs about KW, and the investigation.

ETA2:
Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #8

…still looking, there was more on the subject.

ETA3:
Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #8

 

[dotr]

FWIW rbbm.
"A Study of Assassination"-Transcription (gwu.edu)
''PLANNING
When the decision to assassinate has been reached, the tactics of the operation must be planned, based upon an estimate of the situation similar to that used in military operations.''
'' When all necessary data has been collected, an effective tactical plan can be prepared. All planning must be mental; no papers should ever contain evidence of the operation.''

''CLASSIFICATIONS
The techniques employed will vary according to whether the subject is unaware of his danger, aware but unguarded, or guarded. They will also be affected by whether or not the assassin is to be killed with the subject hereafter, assassinations in which the subject is unaware will be termed "simple"; those where the subject is aware but unguarded will be termed "chase"; those where the victim is guarded will be termed "guarded."
''A further type division is caused by the need to conceal the fact that the subject was actually the victim of assassination, rather than an accident or natural causes. If such concealment is desirable the operation will be called "secret" ; if concealment is immaterial, the act will be called "open"; while if the assassination requires publicity to be effective it will be termed "terroristic."

''It is possible to kill a man with the bare hands, but very few are skillful enough to do it well. Even a highly trained Judo expert will hesitate to risk killing by hand unless he has absolutely no alternative. However, the simplest local tools are often much the most efficient means of assassination. A hammer, axe, wrench, screw driver, fire poker, kitchen knife, lamp stand, or anything hard, heavy and handy will suffice. A length of rope or wire or a belt will do if the assassin is strong and agile. All such improvised weapons have the important advantage of availability and apparent innocence. The obviously lethal machine gun failed to kill Trotsky where an item of sporting goods succeeded.''

 

[Lexiintoronto]

FWIW rbbm.
"A Study of Assassination"-Transcription (gwu.edu)
''PLANNING
When the decision to assassinate has been reached, the tactics of the operation must be planned, based upon an estimate of the situation similar to that used in military operations.''
'' When all necessary data has been collected, an effective tactical plan can be prepared. All planning must be mental; no papers should ever contain evidence of the operation.''

''CLASSIFICATIONS
The techniques employed will vary according to whether the subject is unaware of his danger, aware but unguarded, or guarded. They will also be affected by whether or not the assassin is to be killed with the subject hereafter, assassinations in which the subject is unaware will be termed "simple"; those where the subject is aware but unguarded will be termed "chase"; those where the victim is guarded will be termed "guarded."
''A further type division is caused by the need to conceal the fact that the subject was actually the victim of assassination, rather than an accident or natural causes. If such concealment is desirable the operation will be called "secret" ; if concealment is immaterial, the act will be called "open"; while if the assassination requires publicity to be effective it will be termed "terroristic."

''It is possible to kill a man with the bare hands, but very few are skillful enough to do it well. Even a highly trained Judo expert will hesitate to risk killing by hand unless he has absolutely no alternative. However, the simplest local tools are often much the most efficient means of assassination. A hammer, axe, wrench, screw driver, fire poker, kitchen knife, lamp stand, or anything hard, heavy and handy will suffice. A length of rope or wire or a belt will do if the assassin is strong and agile. All such improvised weapons have the important advantage of availability and apparent innocence. The obviously lethal machine gun failed to kill Trotsky where an item of sporting goods succeeded.''

‘Improvised weapons have the important advantage of availability and apparent innocence.’

That fits perfectly in this case. (Although the killer left evidence of the ligatures he likely brought and removed from the scene.)

The killer potentially can say he went to the home not intending to kill them and that’s why Barry’s belts were used (according to KD).

Maybe it’s also plausible deniability issue if the killer is related to a POI? He may be found to be connected, but deny they knew the killer would murder the Shermans. The POI may have easy access to guns, drugs or other lethal means, yet they didn’t provide them to the killer—therefore he can argue he wasn’t directly involved in the killings.

I can hear them saying if they were going to kill someone, they wouldn’t use a belt from Canadian Tire. They’d use <insert weapon or method>.

 

[juli99]

KD has always mentioned three POIs, and that he knew who they were but wouldn’t name them until he could. I think we’re edging closer to the police confirming what KD believes.

KD has written the most about Jonathon and he’s never seemed that serious about FDA or KW, imo. Both get written about with disclaimers—KW’s past drug use is mentioned, FDA is almost described as a caricature of a mobster.

ETA: You mentioned the Bloomberg article. I’m going to dig up the quote, but KW told us here that he spoke extensively with Bloomberg and I think he was expecting his version of the story to be told uninterrupted or an exposé (imo). Instead the focus was Barry, Honey, those that loved them, a few paragraphs about KW, and the investigation.

ETA2:
Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #8
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…still looking, there was more on the subject.

ETA3:
Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #8
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I missed this. Why does KW believe Barry was killed hours after Honey?

 

[juli99]

I missed this. Why does KW believe Barry was killed hours after Honey?

I went back and read through some old threads. That's quite the rabbit hole. A shadowy figure that looks like Barry covers the video camera in the pool area but forgets about the audio, so it's believed there is an audio recording. Doesn't this sound like what a non-sophisticated killer would say if they were responsible and were confused why TPS hadn't released this "audio recording" that never existed because the camera didn't work in the pool area. Truly bizarre, IMO.

 

[ldlager]

There was reference somewhere to BS telling someone that he had to get home earlier than usual on the Wed night, the night of the murders.
There has never been any disclosure of the reason that he had to be home early. Was that a lie on his part? It wasn’t to go to his daughters.

 

[dotr]

There was reference somewhere to BS telling someone that he had to get home earlier than usual on the Wed night, the night of the murders.
There has never been any disclosure of the reason that he had to be home early. Was that a lie on his part? It wasn’t to go to his daughters.

Good point, why did BS leave work early, did HS take out a large amount of cash from the bank, if so- were they possibly meeting somebody at home they had to pay in cash, could that be why the architect meeting was switched from home to Apotex?

Dec 19 2021 speculation, imo. rbbm.
Grudges and gossip: A rocky start in the search for Barry and Honey Sherman killers | The Star
''As previously reported, Barry and Honey met with builders of their new home at the Apotex offices at 5 p.m. The meeting was to have been at Old Colony, but for some unknown reason was changed to Apotex. Builder Joe Brennan recalled to police that while Barry normally worked late, he commented that he had a reason to be home earlier than usual''

''Honey left Apotex before 6:30 p.m., in her champagne-coloured Lexus SUV, and the three builders left in another vehicle. Honey “pocket dialed” one builder by mistake and he heard her “giggling for about 20 seconds” before she ended the call. While Barry stayed at work until about 8:30 p.m., Honey drove to Bayview Village shopping centre. The documents indicate she went to a CIBC branch between 7 p.m. and 8 p.m. and also to the MAC Cosmetics store inside the mall. It was not until four months after the murders that the police went to Bayview Village looking for security video. Most of the video had been overwritten but they were able to obtain footage of Honey at the CIBC branch. This part of the police documents is heavily redacted, but given that the branch would be long closed by the time Honey arrived it is possible the video police have shows Honey taking out cash from the ATM.
Police have continued to seal any information regarding what time the Shermans arrived home. The Star’s previous reporting suggests Honey was home by 8:30 p.m. (the Bayview mall is less than a 10-minute drive from Old Colony) and Barry shortly after.''

 

[juli99]

There was reference somewhere to BS telling someone that he had to get home earlier than usual on the Wed night, the night of the murders.
There has never been any disclosure of the reason that he had to be home early. Was that a lie on his part? It wasn’t to go to his daughters.

I have never understood this. He stayed and worked until 8:30 pm that night, isn't that pretty much his normal or even a bit later? If he had to get home early, it doesn't seem like he followed through.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

dbm, duplicate information