CANADA Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #19

[FromGermany1]

Two boys born June, 2019 and it’s a fact BS paid USD$311,609 for the surrogacy two weeks prior to the murders, and USD$17,677 on the day of the murders at Jonathon’s request.

2019???

 

[FromGermany1]

I'm guessing Honey may have gotten that 911 call in. I am not tec savvy but I do know there are a few things you can do to your Iphone to call 911 without actually dialing 911. I would have to look that up, but a while ago I watched a YT video about it. It's just a few simple pushes of the volume button (I think) and it will call emergency for you. I am still thinking HS dialed 911 without actually pushing the 911 buttons if you understand what I mean. There is also another emergency/safety way for an Iphone to call 911 as well. I just can't remember what that is.

So my theory is even though they didn't have security, she may have them security features activated on her phone and may have called 911 right from her coat pocket. If she had an IPhone. JMO

Afaik, it works even with an empty akku. My cell phone shows a red heart for SOS, but I don't dare to press the button now, haha. Don't know, what will happen, if.

 

[Window21]

I think the only people pressing the police to solve this case is their daughters. Not many people liked BS. I even hate to say that some were very happy he is no longer with us. I highly doubt that 35 million will lead to a direct arrest because if that's the case then 10 million would have produced a rat immediately.
Why wait 5 whole years to offer another 25 million? What does JS know that we don't know? I think he is like KW and is confident this won't be solved.

 

[deugirtni]

Gormley Show segments, Thur. Dec. 15, 2022​

Saskatoon / 650 CKOM​

Brody Hamilton​

​

Dec 15, 2022 | 7:58 AM​

8:30 – Today marks the 5-year anniversary of the mysterious death of Barry and Honey Sherman. Kevin Donovan, Chief Investigative Reporter for the Toronto Star has been covering the story from the very beginning and joins Gormley to give us the latest on the story.
LIVE: Kevin Donovan, Chief Investigative Reporter at Toronto Star and author of The Billionaire Murders: The Mysterious Deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman
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You kind of have to look around for the recording.. on this page: https://www.ckom.com/show-captures/

Transcribed by me:

BBM:

03:37
Gormley: Okay, the son of the Shermans, noting this week they’ve added 25 million dollars to the reward?

03:47
Donovan: Yes, and when you say ‘they’, that’s not quite correct, because what happened was, they, as the anniversary approached, one of the four children, the daughter Alexandra, she’s the one who’s most involved in the Shermans’ ongoing philanthropy, she came out with a statement to all media saying, just reminding people of the great loss to our community, of my mother and father, and reminding you that there’s a reward still out there for information, and please send your information to the police. Her brother Jonathon, a few days later, to one media outlet, not mine or yours, came out and just out of the blue, said, “and I’ll add 25 million dollars to that.” I thought that was unusual because I would imagine you’d put out a reward, you’d want to make sure everybody knows about it. So it’s another piece of this developing puzzle and to me, it gets more mysterious as the days and months and years go by.

04:48
Gormley: If we go back to that morning five years ago, here is this billionaire couple found hanging in a seated position beside their swimming pool, belts around their necks, and at first of course, the thought is, is it a murder-suicide. Then of course, you’ve reported so clearly, thin ligature marks are found around their necks under the belts, it looks like they were actually bound by their wrists when they were still alive. So clearly, the investigation began to unwind that this was a double homicide. What is the operating theory, Kevin Donovan, that the police are following, on who might’ve been responsible?

05:27
Donovan: Well, the only theory I've been able to publish that the police say on the record is that a mysterious man that has been dubbed 'the walking man', who's a fellow between 5'6" and 5'9", is seen in the area of the Sherman home at precisely the time of the murders, which would be sort of around between 9 and 10 o'clock on the Wednesday night that they're killed. Uh this person is picked up on video, uh the police have scoured the universe to see who the person is, but they can't find anybody who knew who he was, so they've decided that this person is the killer, or one of the killers, or a lookout. That's the only theory.

The police have also said that, you know, that they believe there's a financial side to this crime, which is not surprising, given that they're billionaires, and then they've also talked about the estate of Barry and Honey Sherman and how that is part of the case. They won't say if it's because of somebody who benefitted from the estate, or somebody who thought they would and didn't benefit. Again, you know, the more I learn about this, and I've been pretty active in doing stories for The Star on this, the more questions are raised from what I dig up.

06:45
Gormley: So what are some of those questions? Financially of course, I'm loathe to call them the heir apparent, but the long-time employee who takes over Apotex, then parts ways; the company's recently been sold; of course anybody who's ever followed litigation knows that Barry Sherman and Apotex, if you look at styles of cause, was involved in dozens of high profile lawsuits over the years, so there would be no end of speculation, surely?

07:14
Donovan: There were, but to give, you know, the benefit of the doubt to Barry Sherman and Apotex, the regime that was set up was actually by the Mulroney government, requires generic companies to go to court and to sue for the right to break a patent, to bring a brand name drug into the generic world faster than the usual twenty years that's allowed.

Gormley: Right.

07:39
Donovan: So the reason Barry, yes, is the most litigious person, but he's the biggest company and that's the law in Canada, you actually have to sue. He did sue other people, he sued the builders of his home in the 80s, recouped almost all the money from the contractors over some, what he alleged, were shoddy building practices. He certainly uses the court like that, but I don't see him as a nasty litigator, I see him as a shrewd one. And although he's a scientist, he would do those court, a lot of those court battles, himself. If, you know, what can be lost in this, you know, horrific crime is the, is what a really smart guy he was, and I must say I often wondered, had he been alive during the pandemic, what would he have come up with.

08:28
Gormley: It's a great question, he was brilliant and in terms of how he grew the generic drug space in Canada, you make a good point. So, as far as the walking man, any, again, you hear these theories, well this could've been somebody, you know, who was on a plane two hours later and flew back to where he came from, so, I mean, what is the probability five years out, given what you're hearing from your sources, that this case is ever going to be solved?

08:56
Donovan: Well I mean, one hopes it, that it will be solved. This is not a case where there is anything forensically at the scene, as it's not one of these DNA cases where they're gonna discover something, as far as I know. What the police have said most recently, is that they are seeking information from five countries, they won't say which countries they are, two of them are in a group of countries that Canada has a treaty with, to get information in a criminal case, three are not. They're pursuing a theory and I don't think they're looking for an international hitman, I think they're looking for perhaps some benefit that was paid to somebody domestically, in return for the crime - that's where I think they're going on this.

The problem is, as I've discovered recently, it's not like in the movies where you just fly over to ‘Country X’ and talk to the local detective - you've gotta go through Ottawa to make a request to the foreign jurisdiction, and that takes time. I'm getting a sense that, that we'll be having, if you'll have me, this conversation again in a year because they'll move the ball forward, but they're really having a hard time. I've written recently that the police do have a theory beyond the walking man. They, I believe they have a theory of the person or persons who did this, but they are completely, at this stage, unable to prove it, and so that's why they're going in search of other information.

10:32
Gormley: Kevin Donovan, Chief Investigative Reporter, Toronto Star, and the author of The Billionaire Murders: The Mysterious deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman - great work on this Kevin, over the years, I assume you're not going to be letting up your work in the coming months and years?

10:48
Donovan: No I'm not, I do have some stories coming up in the next couple of months on this file. I'm always receiving information, and every time you do a story you get more calls and I, sort of like a firefighter, when I get a call I have to answer it, and you know, there's usually no fire, but you never know, and I've had some interesting calls over the last couple of days, so yeah. So, working on other stories of course, but this one is near and dear to my heart.

 

[dotr]

Transcribed by me:

BBM:

03:37
Gormley: Okay, the son of the Shermans, noting this week they’ve added 25 million dollars to the reward?

03:47
Donovan: Yes, and when you say ‘they’, that’s not quite correct, because what happened was, they, as the anniversary approached, one of the four children, the daughter Alexandra, she’s the one who’s most involved in the Shermans’ ongoing philanthropy, she came out with a statement to all media saying, just reminding people of the great loss to our community, of my mother and father, and reminding you that there’s a reward still out there for information, and please send your information to the police. Her brother Jonathon, a few days later, to one media outlet, not mine or yours, came out and just out of the blue, said, “and I’ll add 25 million dollars to that.” I thought that was unusual because I would imagine you’d put out a reward, you’d want to make sure everybody knows about it. So it’s another piece of this developing puzzle and to me, it gets more mysterious as the days and months and years go by.

04:48
Gormley: If we go back to that morning five years ago, here is this billionaire couple found hanging in a seated position beside their swimming pool, belts around their necks, and at first of course, the thought is, is it a murder-suicide. Then of course, you’ve reported so clearly, thin ligature marks are found around their necks under the belts, it looks like they were actually bound by their wrists when they were still alive. So clearly, the investigation began to unwind that this was a double homicide. What is the operating theory, Kevin Donovan, that the police are following, on who might’ve been responsible?

05:27
Donovan: Well, the only theory I've been able to publish that the police say on the record is that a mysterious man that has been dubbed 'the walking man', who's a fellow between 5'6" and 5'9", is seen in the area of the Sherman home at precisely the time of the murders, which would be sort of around between 9 and 10 o'clock on the Wednesday night that they're killed. Uh this person is picked up on video, uh the police have scoured the universe to see who the person is, but they can't find anybody who knew who he was, so they've decided that this person is the killer, or one of the killers, or a lookout. That's the only theory.

The police have also said that, you know, that they believe there's a financial side to this crime, which is not surprising, given that they're billionaires, and then they've also talked about the estate of Barry and Honey Sherman and how that is part of the case. They won't say if it's because of somebody who benefitted from the estate, or somebody who thought they would and didn't benefit. Again, you know, the more I learn about this, and I've been pretty active in doing stories for The Star on this, the more questions are raised from what I dig up.

06:45
Gormley: So what are some of those questions? Financially of course, I'm loathe to call them the heir apparent, but the long-time employee who takes over Apotex, then parts ways; the company's recently been sold; of course anybody who's ever followed litigation knows that Barry Sherman and Apotex, if you look at styles of cause, was involved in dozens of high profile lawsuits over the years, so there would be no end of speculation, surely?

07:14
Donovan: There were, but to give, you know, the benefit of the doubt to Barry Sherman and Apotex, the regime that was set up was actually by the Mulroney government, requires generic companies to go to court and to sue for the right to break a patent, to bring a brand name drug into the generic world faster than the usual twenty years that's allowed.

Gormley: Right.

07:39
Donovan: So the reason Barry, yes, is the most litigious person, but he's the biggest company and that's the law in Canada, you actually have to sue. He did sue other people, he sued the builders of his home in the 80s, recouped almost all the money from the contractors over some, what he alleged, were shoddy building practices. He certainly uses the court like that, but I don't see him as a nasty litigator, I see him as a shrewd one. And although he's a scientist, he would do those court, a lot of those court battles, himself. If, you know, what can be lost in this, you know, horrific crime is the, is what a really smart guy he was, and I must say I often wondered, had he been alive during the pandemic, what would he have come up with.

08:28
Gormley: It's a great question, he was brilliant and in terms of how he grew the generic drug space in Canada, you make a good point. So, as far as the walking man, any, again, you hear these theories, well this could've been somebody, you know, who was on a plane two hours later and flew back to where he came from, so, I mean, what is the probability five years out, given what you're hearing from your sources, that this case is ever going to be solved?

08:56
Donovan: Well I mean, one hopes it, that it will be solved. This is not a case where there is anything forensically at the scene, as it's not one of these DNA cases where they're gonna discover something, as far as I know. What the police have said most recently, is that they are seeking information from five countries, they won't say which countries they are, two of them are in a group of countries that Canada has a treaty with, to get information in a criminal case, three are not. They're pursuing a theory and I don't think they're looking for an international hitman, I think they're looking for perhaps some benefit that was paid to somebody domestically, in return for the crime - that's where I think they're going on this.

The problem is, as I've discovered recently, it's not like in the movies where you just fly over to ‘Country X’ and talk to the local detective - you've gotta go through Ottawa to make a request to the foreign jurisdiction, and that takes time. I'm getting a sense that, that we'll be having, if you'll have me, this conversation again in a year because they'll move the ball forward, but they're really having a hard time. I've written recently that the police do have a theory beyond the walking man. They, I believe they have a theory of the person or persons who did this, but they are completely, at this stage, unable to prove it, and so that's why they're going in search of other information.

10:32
Gormley: Kevin Donovan, Chief Investigative Reporter, Toronto Star, and the author of The Billionaire Murders: The Mysterious deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman - great work on this Kevin, over the years, I assume you're not going to be letting up your work in the coming months and years?

10:48
Donovan: No I'm not, I do have some stories coming up in the next couple of months on this file. I'm always receiving information, and every time you do a story you get more calls and I, sort of like a firefighter, when I get a call I have to answer it, and you know, there's usually no fire, but you never know, and I've had some interesting calls over the last couple of days, so yeah. So, working on other stories of course, but this one is near and dear to my heart.

Thank you @deugirtni, awesome transcribing much appreciated!

 

[Window21]

Very interesting Deugirtni, thank you. Sounds like they may know who is behind this but are trying to prove it? Also, sounds like our theory of hiring a "hit man" is correct?

 

[Window21]

They're pursuing a theory and I don't think they're looking for an international hitman, I think they're looking for perhaps some benefit that was paid to somebody domestically, in return for the crime - that's where I think they're going on this.

Very interesting Deugirtni, thank you. Sounds like they may know who is behind this but are trying to prove it? Also, sounds like our theory of hiring a "hit man" is correct?

Does that quote mean they are looking for an amount of money that was paid to someone in Canada for a "hitman" to do the crime? I'm a bit confused because it says he doesn't think they are looking for an international hitman, so they are looking for a Canadian hitman?

Thoughts anyone ?

 

[dotr]

Barry was very wild about to produce children with his own super perfect genes (hyper smart) .......

Reminded of this movie about a man, WA, searching for the b. mother of his adopted brilliant son, to learn more about the ''genius'' who must have produced such a child. imo, speculation.
My favorite scene is as hysterically funny as it is crass, involves the mechanism of a ''special clock''.

 

[ldlager]

So before LE arrived, there were 8 individuals roaming around various parts of the home:

1)cleaning lady Macatangay
2)personal trainer Megan Young
3)furnace service call man Allan Caruk
4)homebuyer's realtor
5/6)two potential homebuyers
7)seller's realtor Stern
8)'gardener' Claire Banks

Seems like a lot

8 people that we know about. there may have been others

 

[ldlager]

I was reading on a non msm site ( so I cannot post it here ) that H was ambushed getting out of her car because one of her earrings was found in some bushes. Any credence to that?

None

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I doubt this will ever be solved. Too much money, too much that is unknown, too much litigation, too big to solve. I love TPS and trust them. But this has too many tentacles even for them. JMO

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

None

But one of her earrings was found, no? Outdoors?

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Barry was very wild about to produce children with his own super perfect genes (hyper smart) .......

Maybe they’ll solve the murders one day. Find something in storage 30 years from now.

 

[Miss Elizabeth]

But one of her earrings was found, no? Outdoors?

I believe it was found at the end of the driveway.

Sherman family investigators hand over earring and other evidence collected at murdered billionaires’ home to Toronto police

The handover comes several weeks after police warned the Sherman family’s lawyer they would seek a judicial warrant if potential evidence was not immediately handed over, sources close to the case have told the Star.

www.thestar.com

~E

 

[ldlager]

Transcribed by me:

BBM:

03:37
Gormley: Okay, the son of the Shermans, noting this week they’ve added 25 million dollars to the reward?

03:47
Donovan: Yes, and when you say ‘they’, that’s not quite correct, because what happened was, they, as the anniversary approached, one of the four children, the daughter Alexandra, she’s the one who’s most involved in the Shermans’ ongoing philanthropy, she came out with a statement to all media saying, just reminding people of the great loss to our community, of my mother and father, and reminding you that there’s a reward still out there for information, and please send your information to the police. Her brother Jonathon, a few days later, to one media outlet, not mine or yours, came out and just out of the blue, said, “and I’ll add 25 million dollars to that.” I thought that was unusual because I would imagine you’d put out a reward, you’d want to make sure everybody knows about it. So it’s another piece of this developing puzzle and to me, it gets more mysterious as the days and months and years go by.

04:48
Gormley: If we go back to that morning five years ago, here is this billionaire couple found hanging in a seated position beside their swimming pool, belts around their necks, and at first of course, the thought is, is it a murder-suicide. Then of course, you’ve reported so clearly, thin ligature marks are found around their necks under the belts, it looks like they were actually bound by their wrists when they were still alive. So clearly, the investigation began to unwind that this was a double homicide. What is the operating theory, Kevin Donovan, that the police are following, on who might’ve been responsible?

05:27
Donovan: Well, the only theory I've been able to publish that the police say on the record is that a mysterious man that has been dubbed 'the walking man', who's a fellow between 5'6" and 5'9", is seen in the area of the Sherman home at precisely the time of the murders, which would be sort of around between 9 and 10 o'clock on the Wednesday night that they're killed. Uh this person is picked up on video, uh the police have scoured the universe to see who the person is, but they can't find anybody who knew who he was, so they've decided that this person is the killer, or one of the killers, or a lookout. That's the only theory.

The police have also said that, you know, that they believe there's a financial side to this crime, which is not surprising, given that they're billionaires, and then they've also talked about the estate of Barry and Honey Sherman and how that is part of the case. They won't say if it's because of somebody who benefitted from the estate, or somebody who thought they would and didn't benefit. Again, you know, the more I learn about this, and I've been pretty active in doing stories for The Star on this, the more questions are raised from what I dig up.

06:45
Gormley: So what are some of those questions? Financially of course, I'm loathe to call them the heir apparent, but the long-time employee who takes over Apotex, then parts ways; the company's recently been sold; of course anybody who's ever followed litigation knows that Barry Sherman and Apotex, if you look at styles of cause, was involved in dozens of high profile lawsuits over the years, so there would be no end of speculation, surely?

07:14
Donovan: There were, but to give, you know, the benefit of the doubt to Barry Sherman and Apotex, the regime that was set up was actually by the Mulroney government, requires generic companies to go to court and to sue for the right to break a patent, to bring a brand name drug into the generic world faster than the usual twenty years that's allowed.

Gormley: Right.

07:39
Donovan: So the reason Barry, yes, is the most litigious person, but he's the biggest company and that's the law in Canada, you actually have to sue. He did sue other people, he sued the builders of his home in the 80s, recouped almost all the money from the contractors over some, what he alleged, were shoddy building practices. He certainly uses the court like that, but I don't see him as a nasty litigator, I see him as a shrewd one. And although he's a scientist, he would do those court, a lot of those court battles, himself. If, you know, what can be lost in this, you know, horrific crime is the, is what a really smart guy he was, and I must say I often wondered, had he been alive during the pandemic, what would he have come up with.

08:28
Gormley: It's a great question, he was brilliant and in terms of how he grew the generic drug space in Canada, you make a good point. So, as far as the walking man, any, again, you hear these theories, well this could've been somebody, you know, who was on a plane two hours later and flew back to where he came from, so, I mean, what is the probability five years out, given what you're hearing from your sources, that this case is ever going to be solved?

08:56
Donovan: Well I mean, one hopes it, that it will be solved. This is not a case where there is anything forensically at the scene, as it's not one of these DNA cases where they're gonna discover something, as far as I know. What the police have said most recently, is that they are seeking information from five countries, they won't say which countries they are, two of them are in a group of countries that Canada has a treaty with, to get information in a criminal case, three are not. They're pursuing a theory and I don't think they're looking for an international hitman, I think they're looking for perhaps some benefit that was paid to somebody domestically, in return for the crime - that's where I think they're going on this.

The problem is, as I've discovered recently, it's not like in the movies where you just fly over to ‘Country X’ and talk to the local detective - you've gotta go through Ottawa to make a request to the foreign jurisdiction, and that takes time. I'm getting a sense that, that we'll be having, if you'll have me, this conversation again in a year because they'll move the ball forward, but they're really having a hard time. I've written recently that the police do have a theory beyond the walking man. They, I believe they have a theory of the person or persons who did this, but they are completely, at this stage, unable to prove it, and so that's why they're going in search of other information.

10:32
Gormley: Kevin Donovan, Chief Investigative Reporter, Toronto Star, and the author of The Billionaire Murders: The Mysterious deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman - great work on this Kevin, over the years, I assume you're not going to be letting up your work in the coming months and years?

10:48
Donovan: No I'm not, I do have some stories coming up in the next couple of months on this file. I'm always receiving information, and every time you do a story you get more calls and I, sort of like a firefighter, when I get a call I have to answer it, and you know, there's usually no fire, but you never know, and I've had some interesting calls over the last couple of days, so yeah. So, working on other stories of course, but this one is near and dear to my heart.

Rbbm
“ …The police have also said that, you know, that they believe there's a financial side to this crime, which is not surprising, given that they're billionaires, and then they've also talked about the estate of Barry and Honey Sherman and how that is part of the case. They won't say if it's because of somebody who benefitted from the estate, or somebody who thought they would and didn't benefit. Again, you know, the more I learn about this, and I've been pretty active in doing stories for The Star on this, the more questions are raised from what I dig up.

Does this potentially implicate MS In KD’s opinion?

 

[ldlager]

But one of her earrings was found, no? Outdoors?

There is no proof or confirmation these were her earrings. Plus they were found on the road at the end of the driveway. By a journalist, despite the police walking by this area hundreds of times previously.

 

[deugirtni]

Rbbm
“ …The police have also said that, you know, that they believe there's a financial side to this crime, which is not surprising, given that they're billionaires, and then they've also talked about the estate of Barry and Honey Sherman and how that is part of the case. They won't say if it's because of somebody who benefitted from the estate, or somebody who thought they would and didn't benefit. Again, you know, the more I learn about this, and I've been pretty active in doing stories for The Star on this, the more questions are raised from what I dig up.

Does this potentially implicate MS In KD’s opinion?

It really could be anybody... like MS's son, who seems to be suing his parents so he can examine the family trust(??).. or perhaps one of the surrogates??? Or... perhaps B's sister?? Anyone else??

 

[ldlager]

Maybe they’ll solve the murders one day. Find something in storage 30 years from now.

In a Green Storage Locker maybe?

 

[ldlager]

It really could be anybody... like MS's son, who seems to be suing his parents so he can examine the family trust(??).. or perhaps one of the surrogates??? Or... perhaps B's sister?? Anyone else??

BS sister and her husband are elderly, and are very secure financially. It is possible I guess, but doubtful IMO..

 

[deugirtni]

I was reading on a non msm site ( so I cannot post it here ) that H was ambushed getting out of her car because one of her earrings was found in some bushes. Any credence to that?

None

But one of her earrings was found, no? Outdoors?

There is no proof or confirmation these were her earrings. Plus they were found on the road at the end of the driveway. By a journalist, despite the police walking by this area hundreds of times previously.

IIRC, it was also discovered after TPS had the property secured for some six weeks, and wasn't it the first day they released the property to the family, at which time the private team had access? Could it have been a setup to make TPS look bad? Timing seems fishy, not to mention that it hadn't been noticed previously, even though they were reportedly looking in sewers and rooftops? imo.