Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #2

[DarkSkink]

He did care about his legacy. That is if his mind had not changed since his writings in Africa

Regardless, whats the better legacy?

Giving your opponents the opportunity to legally remove you from your own company because you have been charged with murder, or leaving the ownership in the hands of your heirs, with the full legal weight of executing your will?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I don’t think anyone could survive a 90 mile an hour crash into a concrete abutment.

It happens quite a lot actually. People survive even worse vehicle accidents than that.

 

[DarkSkink]

Further to the choice of low lying, hanging near the pool.

What if the pool was used as a backup in case the ligature failed? Blacked out, falling in and drowning?

 

[Sanz]

And I hate the new look of the board btw

I went into my settings and changed it to night mode. With the Black background and White lettering.

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[southernmimi]

What if it wasn't planned? What if it is the end result after a fight where one strangled the other in a fit of rage? If you don't have a gun at hand? If you don't have pills?

Does it not make sense, especially for someone elderly, to choose a low lying, easy to physically set up hanging scenario? If they were hanging from somewhere high up, the double murder scenario would make a bit more sense. The low lying location is actually consistent with what would be their obviously limited physical abilities.

Of course, I didn't know the Shermans. He did, however, seem like a focused man who planned and was not a spur of the moment person. Just my opinion, but the scenario doesn't match what I've read of the man.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Would you bet your life on it?

Would that be your choice? Would you want to be pulled over with a body in your vehicle before you got to this abutment? Could you guarantee you wouldn't hit a bump and slam into it sideways? Could you guarantee the airbag wouldn't interfere?

How long would you drive around with a dead body in the passenger seat looking for the perfect abutment with a long run up to it so you can achieve the right speed? You have one chance at it, with fractions of seconds to aim, and you're 75 years old with glasses.

BBM

Good post. Good points. People survive a lot worse crashes than 90 miles an hour into a concrete abutment.

My younger brother did. He hit a bar ditch at close to 100 miles an hour when he was 18. He was street racing another car and lost control. He hit the bar ditch, went airborne and sheared off a telephone pole about 3 quarters of the way up it. He came out of the car and fell on the ground then the car landed on top of him. He suffered a horrible cut on his forehead that literally peeled the skin on the top of his head back, a broken leg and a bruised body and an even more bruised ego.

 

[Sphinx]

If they had Day staff. Why weren't they discovered on Thursday?
Getting in there would have been easy.
Leaving undetected would have been the trick.
As for layout of the house. Real estate firm had and maybe still does have pics of whole place.
LE asked nicely for neighbors security footage. If they don't move quick on getting video coverage it will soon be over written by recent days video streams.
Logically the best way to exit . Would have been on foot thru rear instead of vehicles driving by which then adds another accomplice.
He had lots of enemies and trying to snuggle a pill for medical marijuana would have pissed BIG PHARMA right off. He had the government cronies to get him in the door with a medical marijuana pill. Nobody can patent the plant but he would have found a way just like he did making knock offs of popular drugs.

The housekeeper, who worked there during the day said when asked by LE that she and other staff ( maybe health care workers, not sure ) did not go to the pool area. They had no reason to. Maybe they had a special pool service looking after not only the pool, but the rest of the area, and the hot tub, as well. I cannot give a source for the housekeeper's explanation, but I remember reading it very early on in the Mainstream Media news. It was the realtor, going from room to room getting ready for the planned open house later that day, and who was also looking for the Shermans in order to talk about the open house or other business, who found them Fri. morning. IMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Just as an observer of being married to a man for 20 years who I've only recently come to understand is most likely on the autism spectrum due to our dear son who is 11 years old and severely autistic, I just have to put my two cents in, even if it's completely unrelated. My husband is extremely intelligent, (but hopelessly inept socially, in my opinion). Day to day "stuff" eludes him. He could care less about mess, etc. although there is a fastidiousness about him in which he usually looks great in dress, hair, etc. there is a disconnect. He desires human interaction, and usually people love him but on a personal level he comes across as silent, uninterested, even cold. Unfortunately in the last year I have learned about a dark side. I don't want to go into detail but just want to be heard and understood that even the most gentle, quiet, exhausted, people can be capable of extreme narcissistic rage.


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BBM

What I am hearing from you isn't good. What I am going to say isn't pleasant. Domestic abuse only gets worse. One slap always leads to two and eventually escalates into a full on beating. Get out now and take your son with you. Lest you become the next murder suicide. Get help. There are women's shelters everywhere, use them.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I'm pretty new around here so apologies if my questions have already been addressed. I have a couple of problems with murder/suicide:

- was there security or cameras in the basement - and were they switched off? I had a feeling earlier in the postings it was said or implied that cameras were switched off. If switched off I cant see how that fits with murder/suicide. If you kill someone in a fit of anger there's no chance before and no point afterwards switching it off. So if Barry switched it off before that denotes pre-meditation which I think unlikely IMO. So if it was switched off it suggests external double murder/a hit.

- the belts. If Barry murdered Honey in the garage or basement area in a fit of anger why then go all the way upstairs to his closet to get the belts? Its a long trek, he then has to drag the body to the pool area and then stage both their deaths. Wouldn't there be a more convenient way to kill himself and stage her? Not sure what, but the belts are not a very obvious solution - quite lateral thinking. And I'd presume if you murder someone in a fit of anger you'd be in a bit of a panic and worrying about someone discovering you.

Just asking. I know there is very little confirmed factual material in this case - just COD so the rest might just be hearsay/speculation.

BBM

She was killed somewhere else. How about this, he kills her in a fit of rage, leaves her body there, goes into the pool area and switches off the camera, then goes back for her body. There is a gap (we do not know how long) between her death and his. Maybe that is why.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

You don't necessarily need a slip knot, but if you want to ensure success, because remember, you are no longer in control after you black out, then the ideal is to have something that keeps constricting the more weight you put on it.

You wouldn't want to just use a random loop and hope you don't fall out of it after you pass out and go limp. You also may instinctually claw at it and pull it off in a semi conscious state.

Imagine how big a belt loop is if you're just using the first hole. You could loop a belt and give it some twists yes. Then you wouldn't have to know, or rely on knots, especially with a piece of slippery leather. That does make sense as well, as long as you're confident you won't get your fingers in there to prevent constriction.

What happens after MMA fighters get choked out? They go limp, and then they come to once the compression is released.

BBM

BS was a scientist, a practical man, a detail oriented man. We have heard all these words to describe him. That is why I think he chose the pool area. If for some reason he passed out and fell out of the loop. or the belt came loose from the railing after he passed out, then he would probably have fell into the pool and drowned before regaining consciousness.

JMO

 

[colette]

I wonder if Barry might have started having personality changes due to something such as Alzheimer's. Some people have been known to get paranoid and violent. I personally know someone who was nice and sweet but now is hateful and says "I could kill you" frequently and means it.


Maybe something like lewy body dementia, that Robin Williams had. Maybe Barry didn't want to go alone.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I wonder if Barry might have started having personality changes due to something such as Alzheimer's. Some people have been known to get paranoid and violent. I personally know someone who was nice and sweet but now is hateful and says "I could kill you" frequently and means it.

My thoughts exactly. It happens a lot in seniors. Also if he was put on new meds, some of those are notorious for causing people to go into rages, like Prozac, testosterone, Oxycontin ect.

JMO

 

[DarkSkink]

I wonder if Barry might have started having personality changes due to something such as Alzheimer's. Some people have been known to get paranoid and violent. I personally know someone who was nice and sweet but now is hateful and says "I could kill you" frequently and means it.


Maybe something like lewy body dementia, that Robin Williams had. Maybe Barry didn't want to go alone.

If she controlled everything from what he wore, right down to what he ate, who's to say he wasn't the victim here?

 

[andreww]

BBM

She was killed somewhere else. How about this, he kills her in a fit of rage, leaves her body there, goes into the pool area and switches off the camera, then goes back for her body. There is a gap (we do not know how long) between her death and his. Maybe that is why.

JMO

Or they were simply never on? Switched off does not necessarily mean that someone turned them off.

 

[tarabull]

Toronto Police understaffed and officers 'burned out', union says
December 21, 2017

New numbers show 86 officers have resigned from Toronto Police, with 52 leaving to work for another force

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-police-morale-staffing-critical-association-1.4458139

 

[Gardenista]

And I hate the new look of the board btw

looks the same to me

 

[andreww]

If she controlled everything from what he wore, right down to what he ate, who's to say he wasn't the victim here?

Because she died first.

 

[andreww]

looks the same to me

On a computer or on a phone? On a computer it is completely different. And terrible.

Nevermind, appears I was on the mobile site. Not sure how I ended up there?

 

[Jasper52]

On a computer or on a phone? On a computer it is completely different. And terrible.

Nevermind, appears I was on the mobile site. Not sure how I ended up there?

I'm on my computer and nothing has changed for me. If I click on my settings and scroll to the very bottom (or just scroll to the bottom of this page), I've got it set to -- ws2016.

 

[Gardenista]

On a computer or on a phone? On a computer it is completely different. And terrible.

Nevermind, appears I was on the mobile site. Not sure how I ended up there?

I'm on a computer too, but I know what you are talking about. I've somehow gotten that format before. I think it was when I searched a case on google and entered the site that way.