CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[Lonicera]

I have too always thought of an involvement of relatives of the deceased: this staging of their bodies should indicate to us relatives.

 

[ldlager]

Other than BS leaving work earlier than usual, it seems as though HS was the one whose behavior changed somewhat prior to that fateful day, imo, speculation.
Jan 23 2023

The mystery of who killed a billionaire couple has turned siblings against each other and confounded a nation

Barry and Honey Sherman were discovered by the swimming pool at their luxury Toronto estate, and their murders have confounded detectives for over five years. Could a multi-million-dollar reward now unlock the case? WARNING: Readers might find some details in this story distressing.

www.abc.net.au

''The Shermans' strange final days​

In the days leading up to the murders, the Shermans' behaviour struck the people who knew them as a little odd.
Honey failed to show up to a charity board meeting — highly unusual for the punctual and reliable philanthropist.
The CEO of the charity sent her an email asking if she was okay, and she responded that she was "dealing with some stuff".

''The next day on December 13, the couple was spotted looking over blueprints for the new house at Apotex HQ before heading home for the evening.
Barry sent one email that night to an employee about a minor work matter and then fell silent.
The insomniac workaholic usually sent a string of emails into the early hours of the morning.
This would be the last time anyone heard from the Shermans''

''There were no signs of forced entry, but the family pointed out that a window was found open and a door unlocked.
Marks on the body suggested they had had their wrists bound with zip ties, and the pathologist concluded Honey had likely been killed in another part of the house and dragged down to the pool.''

Something that strikes me. If the building with the house builders had been held that day at the Sherman house, instead of at Apotex, then both the Sherman’s would have already been in the house that evening, after the meeting ended. Because the meeting was held at Apotex, it would be certain that HS would leave the meeting and eventually drive home, presumably arriving before BS arrived home. Maybe the killers didn’t want to have them both at home at the same time that night, maybe the key was having HS home alone. Perhaps because she knew the people who were the killers (although she wouldn’t suspect they were there to kill her) and would give them access to the house; perhaps because she was more easily overpowered because she was home on her own. Is it possible that LE should investigate more closely who actually set up the meeting at Apotex that day? Having the meeting at Apotex ensured HS would be home alone after the meeting.

 

[Charlot123]

I have too always thought of an involvement of relatives of the deceased: this staging of their bodies should indicate to us relatives.

It is a mockery. It also indicates someone previously visiting their house and probably not thinking much of their taste. However, people could have visited as potential customers as the Shermans were selling the house. MOO, it doesn’t necessarily indicate relatives. It could have been anyone hating them.

 

[Charlot123]

Other than BS leaving work earlier than usual, it seems as though HS was the one whose behavior changed somewhat prior to that fateful day, imo, speculation.
Jan 23 2023

The mystery of who killed a billionaire couple has turned siblings against each other and confounded a nation

Barry and Honey Sherman were discovered by the swimming pool at their luxury Toronto estate, and their murders have confounded detectives for over five years. Could a multi-million-dollar reward now unlock the case? WARNING: Readers might find some details in this story distressing.

www.abc.net.au

''The Shermans' strange final days​

In the days leading up to the murders, the Shermans' behaviour struck the people who knew them as a little odd.
Honey failed to show up to a charity board meeting — highly unusual for the punctual and reliable philanthropist.
The CEO of the charity sent her an email asking if she was okay, and she responded that she was "dealing with some stuff".

''The next day on December 13, the couple was spotted looking over blueprints for the new house at Apotex HQ before heading home for the evening.
Barry sent one email that night to an employee about a minor work matter and then fell silent.
The insomniac workaholic usually sent a string of emails into the early hours of the morning.
This would be the last time anyone heard from the Shermans''

''There were no signs of forced entry, but the family pointed out that a window was found open and a door unlocked.
Marks on the body suggested they had had their wrists bound with zip ties, and the pathologist concluded Honey had likely been killed in another part of the house and dragged down to the pool.''

I would be interested to know if the Shermans discussed improving security while looking at the blueprints of their new house at Apotex. Like, adding more cameras, locks, etc?

 

[fadedglitter]

Something that strikes me. If the building with the house builders had been held that day at the Sherman house, instead of at Apotex, then both the Sherman’s would have already been in the house that evening, after the meeting ended. Because the meeting was held at Apotex, it would be certain that HS would leave the meeting and eventually drive home, presumably arriving before BS arrived home. Maybe the killers didn’t want to have them both at home at the same time that night, maybe the key was having HS home alone. Perhaps because she knew the people who were the killers (although she wouldn’t suspect they were there to kill her) and would give them access to the house; perhaps because she was more easily overpowered because she was home on her own. Is it possible that LE should investigate more closely who actually set up the meeting at Apotex that day? Having the meeting at Apotex ensured HS would be home alone after the meeting.

Honey moved it to Apotex.

 

[ldlager]

Honey moved it to Apotex.

Maybe someone suggested she do so?

 

[dotr]

Not a chess player myself, but thinking that BS operated like a Grandmaster, wondering if indeed he played actual chess?
If the swimming pool was a chess board, and a King and Queen from the same side are positioned together in the far corner, would that be considered a checkmate?
imo, fwiw, speculation.

Endless court battles, angry relatives and shady players: the truth about Barry Sherman

Barry and Honey Sherman were revered for their generosity but the ongoing investigation into their murders has cast a harsh spotlight on his life.

macleans.ca

''They were charity royalty, fixtures on the gala circuit, where Honey was beloved.''
''Sherman’s fortune was built on his canny ability to push systems to their limits—and occasionally beyond, as reflected in a litany of controversies over his political donations, his lobbying and his role in the country’s biggest medical research scandal, a tale helped inspire John le Carré’s novel The Constant Gardener. Sherman, on his own and through his companies, was the country’s most active litigant, a man who used the courts as readily as others use the subway. Even as politicians paid tribute to him after his death, his company was locked in legal battles with their governments on multiple fronts.''

Checkmate - Wikipedia

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15 Important Life Lessons From Chess: How Chess Is Related To Real Life Situations

A board with 64 squares, 32 pieces on it and a set of rules about how each piece can move; can there really be that much to it? We definitely think so and we're about

herculeschess.com

https://www.masterclass.com/articles/pawn-promotion-explained

''Queening: When a white or black pawn reaches its promotion square, players can exchange it for a queen, the most powerful piece in a chess game, of their respective color. This type of promotion is known as “queening the pawn” or “queening.”

 

[fadedglitter]

Maybe someone suggested she do so?

Most likely Barry suggested it. When Honey set the new location for the meeting, she told the builders that Barry needed to work late. It was easier to meet there so he could attend the meeting and finish up his work, rather than spending time driving home and then driving back to the office. This was before the days of Zoom meetings.

 

[ldlager]

Most likely Barry suggested it. When Honey set the new location for the meeting, she told the builders that Barry needed to work late. It was easier to meet there so he could attend the meeting and finish up his work, rather than spending time driving home and then driving back to the office. This was before the days of Zoom meetings.

But BS didn’t in fact work late that day. He left Apotex early that day, at least compared to his well established work routine. Did HS lie to or mislead the builders?

 

[fadedglitter]

But BS didn’t in fact work late that day. He left Apotex early that day, at least compared to his well established work routine. Did HS lie to or mislead the builders?

He left at his normal time: 8pm or a bit later. That was his well established work routine according to everyone in a position to know.

 

[fadedglitter]

Following up on my last post rather than trying to edit: the only people who have ever suggested that Barry worked at the office until 11pm were the people in the meeting that Wednesday afternoon. I believe they misunderstood whatever Honey said that evening about Barry’s work habits. The ITOs make it clear that people who knew his routine said he left the office around 8pm or a bit later, and continued to send emails from his house late into the night. In particular, the head of security said his routine was like clockwork: he left at 8pm.

Here are some news stories from before the “came home early” idea became conventional wisdom.
TorStar: Sherman’s colleagues and friends say the company founder talked as if he was just getting started, not as if he had run a successful business for 43 years. A typical work day started at 10 or 11 a.m. (an insomniac, he slept best in the early morning hours) but went until 8 or 9 p.m., when he went home. But it was not unusual for Sherman to fire out emails throughout the night, which employees and executives would wake to receive. Or if they were working at the Apotex plants in India, respond during work hours due to the time difference.

Maclean’s: Honey never complained, says a friend. When she did gripe, it was in a half-joking way about her husband’s work schedule: seven days a week, 10 to eight.

 

[ldlager]

Following up on my last post rather than trying to edit: the only people who have ever suggested that Barry worked at the office until 11pm were the people in the meeting that Wednesday afternoon. I believe they misunderstood whatever Honey said that evening about Barry’s work habits. The ITOs make it clear that people who knew his routine said he left the office around 8pm or a bit later, and continued to send emails from his house late into the night. In particular, the head of security said his routine was like clockwork: he left at 8pm.

Here are some news stories from before the “came home early” idea became conventional wisdom.
TorStar: Sherman’s colleagues and friends say the company founder talked as if he was just getting started, not as if he had run a successful business for 43 years. A typical work day started at 10 or 11 a.m. (an insomniac, he slept best in the early morning hours) but went until 8 or 9 p.m., when he went home. But it was not unusual for Sherman to fire out emails throughout the night, which employees and executives would wake to receive. Or if they were working at the Apotex plants in India, respond during work hours due to the time difference.

Maclean’s: Honey never complained, says a friend. When she did gripe, it was in a half-joking way about her husband’s work schedule: seven days a week, 10 to eight.

But wasn’t it established that BS was to be home earlier than “normal” that day? Either HS or BS said it to the builders AFAIK that he had to get home “early” that night?

 

[fadedglitter]

But wasn’t it established that BS was to be home earlier than “normal” that day? Either HS or BS said it to the builders AFAIK that he had to get home “early” that night?

No. One of the builders told police that Honey had said something that made him think Barry needed to be home before 11pm, but he could not remember what it was. All three of them told police that one of the Shermans had mentioned that Barry worked until 11pm.

Donovan’s last set of podcasts included a description of his efforts to get the builders to talk to him, begging them to rack their brains about why Barry would have needed to go home early.

Speculation: the builders never imagined that their fuzzy memories would be elevated above the observations of people who actually knew Barry’s routine (and the video evidence showing when his car left the parking lot on any given evening). It never occurred to them that this throwaway guess would form the foundation for an entire theory published over and over in national media. They didn’t ask questions about whether working until 11pm meant staying at the office or sending emails from home.

 

[Charlot123]

Maybe someone suggested she do so?

It would be interesting to know what explanation she provided for moving the meeting?

 

[fadedglitter]

It would be interesting to know what explanation she provided for moving the meeting?

She told them that Barry had to work late, so the meeting would be at Apotex.

I think this is way less complicated and significant than KD has led people to believe. Barry did not come home early. He came home at his normal time, maybe a bit later.

The *only* people who have ever said he worked at the office until 11pm are the three people in that meeting (and KD, who immediately latched onto it and ignored everyone else’s description). None of them were in any position to know. It makes no sense to take that story at face value and build an entire theory of the crime around it when it is contradicted by everyone else including numerous people who watched him come and go. Barry *did* work very late at night — from his house. His staff would wake up to new emails from Barry. His chief of security has him on videotape driving away around 8pm every night.

If the builders thought he was at the office until 11pm every night, who else might have thought that? If this was the conventional wisdom among people who were in no position to know otherwise, who else might have believed, in error, that Honey would be alone at the house late into any given evening?

 

[ldlager]

No. One of the builders told police that Honey had said something that made him think Barry needed to be home before 11pm, but he could not remember what it was. All three of them told police that one of the Shermans had mentioned that Barry worked until 11pm.

Donovan’s last set of podcasts included a description of his efforts to get the builders to talk to him, begging them to rack their brains about why Barry would have needed to go home early.

Speculation: the builders never imagined that their fuzzy memories would be elevated above the observations of people who actually knew Barry’s routine (and the video evidence showing when his car left the parking lot on any given evening). It never occurred to them that this throwaway guess would form the foundation for an entire theory published over and over in national media. They didn’t ask questions about whether working until 11pm meant staying at the office or sending emails from home.

I have difficulty believing that every one of the people in attendance at that meeting have 100% lack of recall when it comes to that comment. They are builders and architects, detail oriented professions, and none of them remember? I think LE knows what was said and are choosing not to disclose it.

 

[dotr]

In earlier threads, i referenced 'crime tourists' casing the area near the Sherman home and wondered if by some ironic fluke, they observed the perp/s in this case? fwiw, imo, speculation.

Crime tourists: Organized burglary gangs are wintering in Canada and ransacking homes

'Theft groups enter Canada shortly after DST ends and return home to their countries in the spring after they’ve committed crime'

torontosun.com

Feb 24 2025 rbbm.

Eight of 21 accused "crime tourists" working for migrant burglary gangs around Toronto; most of those arrested are from Chile and Georgia. Photo by York Regional Police
''Reduced daylight in winter in Canada provides a sweet spot for bandits watching and waiting for targets while darkness hides their movements and there is less chance of people being home when they smash their way in.''
“They know that it’s now getting dark here around 5:30, when people come home from work and then go out to get groceries, they go to their kids’ sports, they go out for dinner, or they go to the gym,” Smyth said.''
''The gangs monitor affluent neighbourhoods in and around Toronto. Most break-ins happened between 6 p.m. and 10 p.m., he said.''

 

[wibbleflea]

The *only* people who have ever said he worked at the office until 11pm are the three people in that meeting (and KD, who immediately latched onto it and ignored everyone else’s description). None of them were in any position to know.

You're talking about the builders/architects in that meeting but they're not the only ones saying that.

“I’m on early. I get to the office at five in the morning and leave around six. Barry used to come in around ten-thirty, eleven but leave around ten-thirty, eleven.” That’s from a recording of Jeremy Desai speaking on The Billionaire Murders S2E10 at around 16 minutes in*.

Two links below to the same podcast:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/s2-the-billionaire-murders-e10-gift-bags-and-blood

Desai worked closely with Barry and joined Apotex in 2003, working as CEO for his last few years there before resigning in early 2018. His claim may be wrong – he may have been assuming that email routinely sent by Barry late at night was coming from the office and not his house, perhaps – but he'd been at Apotex long enough to likely know better.

* You might need to scrub forward or back a bit. Podcasts often use dynamic ad-insertion so timestamps can be unreliable.

 

[dotr]

• Unsure why this was updated.
• ''Updated Feb 21, 2025''
• Apotex president and CEO Jeremy Desai resigns

 

[WINDSOR]

I am curious about Honey not attending the charity meeting just prior to her death.

Was the meeting cancelled by her, or did it take place even in her absence?
Some people have implied it was unusual for her to miss a meeting and therefore something unusual was taken place in her life.
I do know she had previous health issues, (cancer, hip and knee replacement) which could have previously caused her to miss meetings.

So my question is, was it really unusual for her to miss these charity meetings? Maybe if one had access to the meeting's minutes for a year, we could see what her attendance pattern was really like.