CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[FromGermany1]

Perhaps it’s my (misplaced?) trust in people to behave in good faith, but I think it’s unlikely that anyone who truly believes themselves to have relevant evidence is sitting on it, petulantly refusing to come forward because the police haven’t contacted them directly. The police have made numerous public appeals for information. Anyone with evidence should have provided it by now. If they haven’t, that’s a different type of evidence that reflects very poorly on them.

I think this is just an easy potshot at TPS — well, they didn’t ask ME PERSONALLY for a statement, how diligent can they be, har har…

Afaik, police even made the appeal to the public to call for their info, even if they had already called the Sherman's PI before. They didn't want to lose one single information.

 

[ldlager]

Let us hope that people who have any information that may be related to this case contact the TPS. Believing you know something that may be pertinent to the case, and waiting for the TPS to contact you is just dumb.

For all we know, many people may have already done this.
The point that I have been making wasn’t that police should have contacted everyone that was obviously in any way linked to the Sherman’s. But they should have at least contacted and interviewed everyone that was in the area the night of the murders. But they didn’t contact everyone in the immediate area. They weren’t comprehensive in their inquiries. The synagogue is only one example.

 

[dotr]

This is unconnected to the Sherman murders, but the way the killer is walking reminds me of the Night Walker.
Is there a specific gait of perps who walk enroute to, or from committing murder, has that ever been studied? It often pops up here on Ws, imo, fwiw, speculation.

4 killed, including off-duty officer, in Midtown office shooting; suspected gunman dead by suicide

A 27-year-old man opened fire and killed four people, including an off-duty police officer working security in a Midtown Manhattan office building, officials said during a press conference Monday evening.

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[WINDSOR]

This is unconnected to the Sherman murders, but the way the killer is walking reminds me of the Night Walker.
Is there a specific gait of perps who walk enroute to, or from committing murder, has that ever been studied? It often pops up here on Ws, imo, fwiw, speculation.

4 killed, including off-duty officer, in Midtown office shooting; suspected gunman dead by suicide

A 27-year-old man opened fire and killed four people, including an off-duty police officer working security in a Midtown Manhattan office building, officials said during a press conference Monday evening.

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I think it could be called an 'inconspicuous walk'. Where the person tries to appear relaxed, calm, purposeful, confident and invisible as possible. I believe many of us have versions of this walk, when we do not want to draw attention to ourselves.

This walk is to discourage others from confronting us. IMO

 

[WINDSOR]

The TPS last week issued a message about Nicole Morin an young girl who went missing 40 years ago. https://www.tps.ca/media-centre/stories/search-continues-for-nicole/

The story reminds everyone, you do not have to wait 24 hours to report a missing person to the police. In fact those early hours when you realize someone is missing are most crucial to the investigation.

This links indirectly to the Sherman case, as it was about 30 hours (roughly) from the time of the Sherman's demise to when the TPS were made aware of the incident. This delay could have had significant impact on the investigation.

I am now curious, if the perpetrators planned the crime to ensure slow reporting to the TPS of the crime, possibly to make good their escape. It might follow the perpetrators had inside knowledge that that no staff would be at the Sherman house on Thursday. (They were killed Wednesday evening, and not discovered until Friday morning.)

 

[fadedglitter]

The number of people in a position to know Honey gave her assistant Thursday off could be counted on one hand. It was a spur-of-the-moment decision on Wednesday afternoon, in the house. Likely only Honey, her assistant, and her assistant’s spouse.

 

[dotr]

The number of people in a position to know Honey gave her assistant Thursday off could be counted on one hand. It was a spur-of-the-moment decision on Wednesday afternoon, in the house. Likely only Honey, her assistant, and her assistant’s spouse.

Could there have been a covert listening device in the house or car? speculation, imo.

 

[fadedglitter]

I’m going to say no, there is no realistic possibility the murderer broke into the home days or weeks earlier, planted a covert listening device, was monitoring it in real time, and sprang into action to commit murder six hours later because they knew Honey’s assistant had Thursday off.

 

[WINDSOR]

We do not know if the TPS or the Greenspan investigation teams scanned the Sherman home for listening devices. It is in the realm of possibility there were devices, and were either removed after the deaths, or lost when the house was demolished.

Fadeglitter said "It was a spur-of-the-moment decision on Wednesday afternoon, in the house. Likely only Honey, her assistant, and her assistant’s spouse."

It is likely Honey gave a reason to her assistant why the assistant was not needed on Thursday. I have a feeling Honey had arranged a meet someone or be someplace for Thursday. Whoever arranged this with event with or for Honey that Thursday is likely a POI.

Any ideas?

MOO

 

[fadedglitter]

Sorry, I made an error above. One other person was present when Honey gave Sheila the rest of the week off. Josie, the massage therapist, was there.

We know why Sheila got the rest of the week off. Honey made her work late on Wednesday to finish tasks and then gave her the next two days off before her planned vacation. Sheila told police she last saw Honey at 2:40pm.

There is no evidence of a meeting for Honey on Thursday other than the board meeting that was already on her calendar. She missed that meeting because she had already been murdered at that point.

 

[dotr]

Dec. 13, 2020

Did someone know Barry and Honey Sherman’s schedule? Close friends were away and they had nothing planned

On the third anniversary of the murders, the Star’s ongoing investigation takes a hard look at the timeline information, including documents released by a Toronto judge last week.

www.thestar.com

''Monday, Dec. 11: Sheila Stanley, Honey’s personal assistant, arrives as she always does at 10 a.m. at Old Colony. She works for Honey each weekday from 10 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. As she later tells the police she manages Honey’s schedule, makes her bill payments and even helps “dressing Honey for events.” Honey’s sister Mary handles travel plans. Honey’s schedule is accessible from her iPhone and iPad and as Stanley tells police, no password is needed. The one major change to the week is that Stanley has been given Thursday and Friday off because her family is heading to Mexico for a winter vacation.
The Shermans had only a few plans at the start of the week. Barry always attended the Frank D’Angelo Christmas lunch (scheduled for the Tuesday) but this year he emailed D’Angelo, “Regret, can’t do. Have a large meeting scheduled for noon, Dec. 12.”

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Sorry, I made an error above. One other person was present when Honey gave Sheila the rest of the week off. Josie, the massage therapist, was there.

We know why Sheila got the rest of the week off. Honey made her work late on Wednesday to finish tasks and then gave her the next two days off before her planned vacation. Sheila told police she last saw Honey at 2:40pm.

There is no evidence of a meeting for Honey on Thursday other than the board meeting that was already on her calendar. She missed that meeting because she had already been murdered at that point.

Honey made some mention of having coffee with someone on Thursday, iirc. Stern, possibly? I’d have to check the ITOs.

On Wednesday, Honey’s assistant emailed Honey’s iCloud password for her schedule. So that was another gateway for a person to gain access to her information.

ETA: found it in ITO#8

Police's court documents for the Barry and Honey Sherman murder case: All in one place

This is a list of all the police affidavits (aka ITOs) used in court in the Barry and Honey Sherman murder case.

courthousestories.substack.com

 

[dotr]

It is assumed, probably correctly, that the killer must have known details of the Sherman's changing schedules in order to attack when nobody else was in the house, but..

If somebody else happened to be there, would that person or persons be murdered too? speculation.

 

[FromGermany1]

The Shermans had only a few plans at the start of the week. Barry always attended the Frank D’Angelo Christmas lunch (scheduled for the Tuesday) but this year he emailed D’Angelo, “Regret, can’t do. Have a large meeting scheduled for noon, Dec. 12.”

Tuesday 12th Dec - was that the day, when Honey missed her Charity appointment without excuse?

 

[dotr]

Tuesday 12th Dec - was that the day, when Honey missed her Charity appointment without excuse?

rbbm

Endless court battles, angry relatives and shady players: the truth about Barry Sherman

Barry and Honey Sherman were revered for their generosity but the ongoing investigation into their murders has cast a harsh spotlight on his life.

macleans.ca

''On Dec. 12, 2017, the day before the couple was last seen alive, Honey missed a scheduled meeting at the Baycrest Centre Foundation. Were it any other board member, no one would’ve paid heed, says Josh Cooper, the foundation’s president and CEO. But Honey, a beloved queen bee in the upper echelons of Canadian philanthropy, was known for showing up—or else saying she couldn’t. “It was bizarre,” says Cooper. They sent an email to make sure she was okay. “Honey got back to us right away,” he says. “She said she was dealing with some stuff.”

 

[ldlager]

It is assumed, probably correctly, that the killer must have known details of the Sherman's changing schedules in order to attack when nobody else was in the house, but..

If somebody else happened to be there, would that person or persons be murdered too? speculation.

Perhaps it was BS that was there unexpectedly?

 

[ldlager]

Tuesday 12th Dec - was that the day, when Honey missed her Charity appointment without excuse?

I always just figured BS used this supposed meeting as an excuse to not go to FD’s lunch/party

 

[fadedglitter]

Donovan’s book says Barrry missed FDA’s Tuesday party because the meeting with the architects was originally scheduled at the same time. It was moved to Wednesday at the last minute and there was not enough time for Barry to make it to the party so he had lunch with Brad instead.

Honey missed charity meetings on the 12th and 14th without giving notice. After the meeting on the 12th, someone followed up with her by email and she immediately responded that she was dealing with some stuff.

Honey’s emails contained one that was summarized in the ITOs as:
Coffee planned with Susan STERN @ noon
December 14th, 2017

And also as:

On December 8th, 2017 at 6:13 AM, Honey SHERMAN sent an email to
Susan STERN planning to meet for coffee on December 14th in the
afternoon.

And now an observation from me: if Susan Stern responded and agreed to meet, we don’t know about it, and she didn’t raise any alarms when Honey did not show up. This coffee date would have been after the all-morning UJA board meeting Honey eventually missed. It isn’t confirmed in the ITOs and I don’t recall any coverage from Donovan about the missed coffee date (his coverage strongly implies her calendar was free on Thursday).

Does anyone recall any interviews with Susan Stern (not Elise, the real estate agent)?

 

[fadedglitter]

It is assumed, probably correctly, that the killer must have known details of the Sherman's changing schedules in order to attack when nobody else was in the house, but..

If somebody else happened to be there, would that person or persons be murdered too? speculation.

I frequently wonder if the murderer went to the home to threaten, harm or kill Honey, thinking, in error, that Barry would not be home until 11pm. When he arrived earlier than the murderer expected, the murderer may have needed to improvise.

 

[WINDSOR]

I frequently wonder if the murderer went to the home to threaten, harm or kill Honey, thinking, in error, that Barry would not be home until 11pm. When he arrived earlier than the murderer expected, the murderer may have needed to improvise.

Interesting supposition.
If only Honey was the target, the estate would have gone to Barry.
With Barry still alive, the Police would consider him the #1 suspect. If the intention was to only kill Honey, then was the plan to stage her body alone?

Because of the staging involved, for both bodies, I think both Sherman's were targeted from the outset, and the murderer(s) were willing to wait for Barry, whenever he got home.

It is hard for me to see a motive for killing Honey alone, by anybody other than her spouse. Since the evidence at the scene does not support Barry killing Honey, and then himself, I believe both were targeted from the outset.

No real financial benefit to Barry to kill Honey either, as he already controlled the finances.

Finally regarding nobody working at the house on Thursday, it could be just a coincidence, like a number of other odd occurrences in this crime. I just hope the TPS carefully investigated this aspect of the case.