CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[INSP MORSE]

I guess I am concerned that the TPS has taken the attitude "this case will be solved when someone else dies or is arrested and new information comes forward in the course of investigating that other matter."

If in fact that is what is happening, and the TPS is not really actively working on the case, but just waiting for a break, it would be appreciated by many if the made this known publicly.

I do not know how much arrogance and self-confidence is left in the leadership of the TPS, but if they have exhausted all their avenues of investigation, they should say so. This may not be the 'Canadian' way of law enforcement, but I say again after 8 years it does not seem to be working.

Secondly, if the TPS does not have the budget to do further intensive investigation, why don't they ask the Sherman's for some of the reward money and use it to move this case forward.

I would hope somebody from the TPS monitors this site. If not I have to assume the Sherman case has the lowest possible priority at the TPS.

And to those people who feel I am too hard on the TPS, all

 

[Cedars]

Just because I'm fascinated with language - which in the field of criminology is extremely precise - I find the journalist's use of the word "described" very strange.

Police did not 'describe' the deaths at all. All police said was they ruled, determined or categorized it as a targetted double homicide. If the case goes to court, the Prosecutor will describe the scene and evidence to a jury. But meanwhile, none of that descriptive detail has been officially released.

KD, a journalist, has done all the describing, primarily by interviewing witnesses/insiders who described it to him.

ETA: to me, a description is loosy/goosy narrative, which may or may not be fictional.

A police ruling about the type of crime is a legal term, it is not intended to persuade, it triggers a certain kind of investigation, a certain amount of resources, and will affect the charges an arrested person will face.

JMO

 

[Charlot123]

Going back to the increase of the reward by $25 million to $35 million by JS in 2022, five years after the deaths of Honey and Barry.

In my world $10 million, even in Canadian dollars is a a substantial sum. By raising it by another $25 million, the case surely got media attention. JS likely increased the reward because he wanted to entice someone to talk and solve the crime.

Why has nobody come forward with relevant information? (I am assuming nobody has.) People who know for example who the Night Walker is, are afraid to talk, or do not know there is a reward.

What if the Night Walker is dead? Nobody to identify, nobody to charge, no reward to be paid.

He might be dead. He looks strong but not too young. Could have died in COVID, btw.

 

[fadedglitter]

Just because I'm fascinated with language - which in the field of criminology is extremely precise - I find the journalist's use of the word "described" very strange.

You’re way overthinking a sentence dashed off in haste by a reporter who is covering a tangentially related business matter.

 

[Cedars]

You’re way overthinking a sentence dashed off in haste by a reporter who is covering a tangentially related business matter.

Indeed. Why should a 'journalist' care about the words they use to explain something as trivial as a murder investigation...

 

[dotr]

• POI 'identified but not arrested' what about WM, (nightwalker)?
• March 22, 2024 rbbm
• Toronto police have person of interest in murder of Barry and Honey Sherman - CHCH
• 'Toronto Police confirmed a report by the Toronto Star that a person of interest had been identified but not arrested.'

 

[FromGermany1]

Indeed. Why should a 'journalist' care about the words they use to explain something as trivial as a murder investigation...

 

[FromGermany1]

• POI 'identified but not arrested' what about WM, (nightwalker)?
• March 22, 2024 rbbm
• Toronto police have person of interest in murder of Barry and Honey Sherman - CHCH
• 'Toronto Police confirmed a report by the Toronto Star that a person of interest had been identified but not arrested.'

Your bbm: At the moment, I don't know, if I knew.

 

[FromGermany1]

He might be dead. He looks strong but not too young. Could have died in COVID, btw.

He might have died at the end of 2025. BUT I've been wrong about my theories before, unfortunately. Btw: My theory includes, that NW is a "helper" and definitely not a killer. MOO

 

[fadedglitter]

On “person of interest”:

The lead detective in the Barry and Honey Sherman murder investigation says police have ‘numerous’ persons of interest in the three-year-old case.

Det. Sgt. Brandon Price issued a brief update and “clarification” statement late Friday, saying he was doing so “in fairness to the friends and family of Barry and Honey Sherman.”

Price’s comments regarding “numerous” persons of interest in the murders of the billionaire philanthropists follow those of one of his detectives during a court hearing last week where the Star was seeking to unseal search warrant information, and statements by Toronto police communications officers on Thursday. In all of those statements, police said they had identified a single person of interest.

 

[Aquabot13]

I do not believe there is any difference in meaning. I think it has more to do with what is called 'tense' in English language.
in what police described as a double homicide. Is what you would say in describing events that are currently or recently occurred. It is called the present tense. As well this is what the police said.
police describing it as a double homicide. This is referring to something that happened in the past, called past tense. As the Bloomberg article was written years after the event, use of past tense is correct. Bloomberg is referring to what the police said.

The police described it as a double homicide.
Bloomberg stated that the police were describing it as a double homicide.

I do not think any other hidden meaning is involved.

I agree and just wanted to add that I think the source is important here.

There likely isn't too much scrutiny about word choice in a Bloomberg article where the main topic is Apotex's current financial dealings. They're reporting on the company and restating a fact about the murders - they're not reporting on the murders.

MOO

 

[dotr]

February 28, 2026 rbbm.

Police are finding suspects based on their online searches as courts weigh privacy concerns

Criminal investigators hoping to develop a suspect are turning to a powerful cyber tool by asking Google to disclose who had been searching for relevant information.

www.wesa.fm

''Unlike traditional search warrants that target a known suspect or location, keyword warrants work backward by identifying internet addresses where searches were made in a certain window of time for particular terms, such as a street address where a crime occurred or a phrase like “pipe bomb.”

''The potential value to investigators of the data Google collects is obvious in cases with no suspect, such as the search for Nancy Guthrie’s kidnapper.''

Pennsylvania State Police were stymied in their investigation into the violent rape of a woman in 2016 on a remote cul-de-sac outside Milton, a small community in the center of the state. With no clear leads, police obtained a warrant directing Google to disclose accounts that searched for the victim’s name or address over the week when she was attacked.

More than a year later, Google reported two searches for the woman’s address were made a few hours before the assault from a specific IP address, a numeric designation that lists where a phone or computer lives on the internet.

That led them to the home of a state prison guard named John Edward Kurtz.''

 

[dotr]

Not likely related, but these are strange times and the Temple Emanu-El (120 Old Colony Rd.), is only 1 minute away from the (former) Sherman home, speculation, fwiw..

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March 03, 2026

Toronto synagogue struck by gunfire, police investigating

Toronto police are investigating after a synagogue in North York was struck by gunfire late Monday night.

www.cp24.com

Toronto police investigate after shots were fired at Temple Emanu-El in North York on March 2, 2026. (CP24/Jacob Estrin)

''Toronto police are investigating after a synagogue in North York was struck by gunfire late Monday night.
Officers were called to Temple Emanu-El, which is just south of Bayview Avenue and Highway 401, for reports of gunshots being fired.
No injuries were reported, but when police arrived at the scene they said they located damage to the building.''

 

[ldlager]

Not likely related, but these are strange times and the Temple Emanu-El (120 Old Colony Rd.), is only 1 minute away from the (former) Sherman home, speculation, fwiw..

Google Maps

Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.

www.google.com

March 03, 2026

Toronto synagogue struck by gunfire, police investigating

Toronto police are investigating after a synagogue in North York was struck by gunfire late Monday night.

www.cp24.com

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Toronto police investigate after shots were fired at Temple Emanu-El in North York on March 2, 2026. (CP24/Jacob Estrin)

''Toronto police are investigating after a synagogue in North York was struck by gunfire late Monday night.
Officers were called to Temple Emanu-El, which is just south of Bayview Avenue and Highway 401, for reports of gunshots being fired.
No injuries were reported, but when police arrived at the scene they said they located damage to the building.''

That is the Temple that was holding meetings or choir practice on the night of the murders, and LE never interviewed any of the attendees as to what they might have seen or recall.

 

[fadedglitter]

That is the Temple that was holding meetings or choir practice on the night of the murders, and LE never interviewed any of the attendees as to what they might have seen or recall.

Do we know what time the practice was? This is an indication of the time the WM appears on cameras. The attendees wouldn’t be asked about someone who was in the neighborhood at a time they weren’t there.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Do we know what time the practice was? This is an indication of the time the WM appears on cameras. The attendees wouldn’t be asked about someone who was in the neighborhood at a time they weren’t there.

I looked a few years ago, but didn’t find the schedule for the date they were murdered. Back then, and more recently, I found the evening practices are from 7:30–9:00.

https://www.templeemanuel.ca/event/choir2.html

 

[fadedglitter]

I looked a few years ago, but didn’t find the schedule for the date they were murdered. Back then, and more recently, I found the evening practices are from 7:30–9:00.

https://www.templeemanuel.ca/event/choir2.html

I suppose it could also indicate the WM’s route. Or both.

Either way, if the police didn’t seek out people who were in that spot at that time, it strongly suggests they had no opportunity to see him.

 

[ldlager]

I suppose it could also indicate the WM’s route. Or both.

Either way, if the police didn’t seek out people who were in that spot at that time, it strongly suggests they had no opportunity to see him.

How could LE possibly know? The temple is only 500 metres from the Sherman’s house. The WM could have walked right by it to get to and from the Sherman’s. People come and go continuously from churches and temples. Someday hopefully LE will be asked to explain why they didn’t think it was important enough to interview these people.

 

[fadedglitter]

How could LE possibly know? The temple is only 500 metres from the Sherman’s house. The WM could have walked right by it to get to and from the Sherman’s. People come and go continuously from churches and temples. Someday hopefully LE will be asked to explain why they didn’t think it was important enough to interview these people.

They know because they have footage of him. There’s a map of his movements in the ITOs. They know which route he took and where he was at each minute while walking through the neighborhood.

 

[ldlager]

They know because they have footage of him. There’s a map of his movements in the ITOs. They know which route he took and where he was at each minute while walking through the neighborhood.

People arrived at and left the Temple by walking or driving to/from their homes and other places in the area. Therefore, the WM didn’t have to walk past the Temple for someone to have noticed him in the area. But it’s too late now anyways, LE chose to not even disclose his existence for a number of years after the murders.