CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 December 2017 #24

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[ldlager]

The $447k loan was to a friend named Stanley. He asked his buddy Bernie not to cash his monthly “gift” cheque. Alex G told police he had started liquidating assets to free up cash. We don’t know all of the details.

Jonathon told Donovan the total amount his dad lent him was $125M

 

[dotr]

Link from Idlager's post circa 2023..

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CANADA Post in thread 'Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #21'

Jun 30, 2023

I thought the same thing, first time I ever heard his name and the initial for his last name. The document is now uploaded and the last name is LUBINSKY

Stanley Lubinsky was a part owner of a jewelry company (Jaltex) that Barry invested in and was part owner of.

I don't know if Stanley Lubinsky was associated with the Martin Ross Group, which was the jewelry company owned by Alan Schechtman, who is Mary's husband and was BS' brother in law. Martin Ross filed for bankruptcy/CCRA in 2016, and at that time Sherfam had outstanding loans to Martin Ross totaling about $33 million...

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[fadedglitter]

Stanley from Jaltex, yes.

 

[dotr]

Regarding the possibility that the Sherman home had been watched prior to the murders, noting this, fwiw.. rbbm.

'Barry and Honey Sherman may have been stalked, police ...​

Toronto Star'
Dec 23, 2021 — Barry and Honey Sherman may have been under 'surveillance' a month before their murders, homicide detectives believe''

Hidden camera believed to be used by break-and-enter suspects found on Milton property: police

A homeowner in Milton found a hidden camera on his property, prompting Halton police to issue a warning on Tuesday.

www.cp24.com

A trail camera found hidden on a property in Milton. (Halton Regional Police)
''Police say officers attended a home last week after the homeowner called them about locating a trail camera and battery pack wrapped in camouflage tape that was concealed in shrubs.

The camera was pointed toward neighbouring homes, police said.

“This is a known tactic used by criminals involved in residential break-and-enters,” police said in a news release on Tuesday.

“These cameras may be used to conduct surveillance on target residences to determine occupancy patterns and identify opportunities to commit offences when homes are vacant.”

 

[WINDSOR]

If the Sherman's had been under surveillance, as speculated by the TPS homicide detectives, that suggests the following.

1) The assailants, were not especially familiar with the Sherman's and had to gather information about them.
2) The assailants were likely contracted to do their work, by somebody.
3) There is a potential for a 'safe' house to have existed, where the surveillance and planning could have taken place. Assuming that the surveillance lasted for weeks.

It is interesting to note that the TPS has never confirmed the existence of the surveillance. Does that mean the TPS investigated this aspect of the case, and found nothing, or they are withholding what they found from the public.

MOO

 

[fadedglitter]

Donovan’s reporting on the search for evidence of surveillance is misleading.

TPS investigated the possibility that the Shermans were being followed. Police no longer think this might have happened. They never believed it was happening a month before the killings. They sought evidence that would suggest it was happening, and they were looking at data from the month before the murders.

We know this was investigated and discarded because it is in the unsealed portions of the ITOs. When they ruled this out, they unsealed the portions of the ITOs that dealt with those applications.

That is not to say the Shermans were not in fact being followed. Just that the possibility of it is not part of current investigative theories. TPS could be wrong.

 

[hexicon]

If the Sherman's had been under surveillance, as speculated by the TPS homicide detectives, that suggests the following.

1) The assailants, were not especially familiar with the Sherman's and had to gather information about them.
2) The assailants were likely contracted to do their work, by somebody.
3) There is a potential for a 'safe' house to have existed, where the surveillance and planning could have taken place. Assuming that the surveillance lasted for weeks.

It is interesting to note that the TPS has never confirmed the existence of the surveillance. Does that mean the TPS investigated this aspect of the case, and found nothing, or they are withholding what they found from the public.

MOO

Regardless of what TPS thinks about surveillance and whether TPS has any evidence, the elements of surveillance listed above align with my theory of what happened. I think it was a matter of days (<10) rather than weeks. Given the high profile of the victims and the amount of money surrounding them, this is the one case where I think international hired hit squad is an entirely reasonable explanation.

Obviously I lack expertise committing murder for hire, but I think you'd have to have at least four people. Two to do it, a lookout, and a driver. This was violent and up-close, not like Skripal where the two GRU officers posed as tourists and sprayed the poison on the door handle. Please note that I am not suggesting that the Shermans' murder was state-sponsored, only that IMO the killer(s) had some type of state or military training in how to subdue and kill people.

To argue a bit against myself: in my hypothetical, the team would send two people to the house as belt and suspenders. The Shermans were elderly but not disabled. Even if the plan was to subdue them at separate times, that plan relies a lot on timing that's outside the killer's control. There'd still be the possibility he'd have to confront both of them at once, risking a scuffle or distraction even if he uses a gun to control them. And he would not want to fire that gun (leaves evidence). Yet we have only ever heard about a single person being observed near the house at the right time.

Moving on to the safe house idea---I'd be curious about any conveniently located short-term rentals (houses, or townhomes with exterior doors) that leased premises to three or four "foreign businessmen" around that time. They'd need a couple of nice cars that would fit into the neighborhood plus something like a contractor's van (again, high-end) that could blend and go unremarked.

 

[dotr]

April 22, 2026 rbbm

Inside Toronto’s most notorious murder cases: Former detective Hank Idsinga shares his story with Kevin Donovan on May 5

Former Toronto crime detective joins The Star’s Kevin Donovan for a live conversation on May 5th

www.wellandtribune.ca

''After 30 years in the Toronto Police Service and head of Canada’s top homicide squad for five, Hank Idsinga takes us behind the badge with his book, “The High Road: Confessions of a Homicide Cop.”
On May 5 at 6 p.m. the Star’s Kevin Donovan will join Idsinga at the Isabel Bader Theatre for an evening of conversation about Idsinga’s remarkable career. They’ll discuss the high-profile cases that rocked the city, like the Bruce McArthur murders, the tragic Boxing Day shooting of Jane Creba and the search for the people responsible for the death of Barry and Honey Sherman.''

Antisemitism, racism hurting Toronto Police culture, former homicide chief says

Owning one of the most spectacular clearance rates among homicide teams didn't spare TPS unit chief Hank Idsinga from antisemitism. Read on.

torontosun.com

''Idsinga — whose Jewish grandfather perished in the Holocaust — said his half-Jewish heritage drove him to be “one of the good guys.” That monumental tragedy also made him more attuned to the things he was seeing and hearing,''

 

[WINDSOR]

Regardless of what TPS thinks about surveillance and whether TPS has any evidence, the elements of surveillance listed above align with my theory of what happened. I think it was a matter of days (<10) rather than weeks. Given the high profile of the victims and the amount of money surrounding them, this is the one case where I think international hired hit squad is an entirely reasonable explanation.

Obviously I lack expertise committing murder for hire, but I think you'd have to have at least four people. Two to do it, a lookout, and a driver. This was violent and up-close, not like Skripal where the two GRU officers posed as tourists and sprayed the poison on the door handle. Please note that I am not suggesting that the Shermans' murder was state-sponsored, only that IMO the killer(s) had some type of state or military training in how to subdue and kill people.

To argue a bit against myself: in my hypothetical, the team would send two people to the house as belt and suspenders. The Shermans were elderly but not disabled. Even if the plan was to subdue them at separate times, that plan relies a lot on timing that's outside the killer's control. There'd still be the possibility he'd have to confront both of them at once, risking a scuffle or distraction even if he uses a gun to control them. And he would not want to fire that gun (leaves evidence). Yet we have only ever heard about a single person being observed near the house at the right time.

Moving on to the safe house idea---I'd be curious about any conveniently located short-term rentals (houses, or townhomes with exterior doors) that leased premises to three or four "foreign businessmen" around that time. They'd need a couple of nice cars that would fit into the neighborhood plus something like a contractor's van (again, high-end) that could blend and go unremarked.

Approximately 2.0km from the Sherman House are two multi-family residential sites. The Stubbs Apartment Building; and Windfield Estates. AFAIK at the time, both complexes were rental sites. Both these locations have vehicle access to Leslie by nearby Bannatyne Drive as well. Both these locations suit the criteria perfectly for 'safe houses'.

If the TPS has determined the route of the Night Walker, I wonder if it possibly leads towards these properties.

MOO

 

[WINDSOR]

April 22, 2026 rbbm

Inside Toronto’s most notorious murder cases: Former detective Hank Idsinga shares his story with Kevin Donovan on May 5

Former Toronto crime detective joins The Star’s Kevin Donovan for a live conversation on May 5th

www.wellandtribune.ca

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''After 30 years in the Toronto Police Service and head of Canada’s top homicide squad for five, Hank Idsinga takes us behind the badge with his book, “The High Road: Confessions of a Homicide Cop.”
On May 5 at 6 p.m. the Star’s Kevin Donovan will join Idsinga at the Isabel Bader Theatre for an evening of conversation about Idsinga’s remarkable career. They’ll discuss the high-profile cases that rocked the city, like the Bruce McArthur murders, the tragic Boxing Day shooting of Jane Creba and the search for the people responsible for the death of Barry and Honey Sherman.''

Antisemitism, racism hurting Toronto Police culture, former homicide chief says

Owning one of the most spectacular clearance rates among homicide teams didn't spare TPS unit chief Hank Idsinga from antisemitism. Read on.

torontosun.com

''Idsinga — whose Jewish grandfather perished in the Holocaust — said his half-Jewish heritage drove him to be “one of the good guys.” That monumental tragedy also made him more attuned to the things he was seeing and hearing,''

One wonders if the antisemitism Idsinga experienced at the TPS, had anything to do with the lack of success in solving the Sherman case?

 

[dotr]

Ha ha, "Video unavailable The uploader has not made this video available in your country''
Apr 17, 2026

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[ldlager]

Approximately 2.0km from the Sherman House are two multi-family residential sites. The Stubbs Apartment Building; and Windfield Estates. AFAIK at the time, both complexes were rental sites. Both these locations have vehicle access to Leslie by nearby Bannatyne Drive as well. Both these locations suit the criteria perfectly for 'safe houses'.

If the TPS has determined the route of the Night Walker, I wonder if it possibly leads towards these properties.

MOO

You are presuming that TPS even bothered to investigate the stalking theory. Just because they dismissed it doesn’t mean they did much of anything to disprove it!

 

[fadedglitter]

You are presuming that TPS even bothered to investigate the stalking theory. Just because they dismissed it doesn’t mean they did much of anything to disprove it!

Here’s the news story about the work TPS did to investigate the theory that the Shermans were followed. Basically, they were trying to cross-reference any cell phone signals travelling with the Shermans. That would include burner phones. It came up empty. If someone was following them, the person did not have a phone.

The investigation then went in other directions.

Barry and Honey Sherman murder detectives learn cellular ‘tower dump’ was a bust