CANADA Canada - Carolyn Pruyser, 18, Peace River, AB, 17 May 1984

[DirtDiva]

In an earlier post I posted a newspaper clipping from the Edmonton journal regarding a 5 am sighting. This info didn’t just fall out of the sky onto the reporters desk. It had to come from RCMP somehow. So here is the Edmonton suns report on the Pruyser case from the same day.


You’ll note, this is the first time any mention of the possibility of Carolyn being taken out of town from any articles that I’ve read. Also Mrs Pruyser says she was told by RCMP not to talk to the media. THAT IS STRANGE. I don’t think Mrs Pruyser made that up. Even the RCMP spokesperson denies they said that. This tells me that there had to be a faction within the peace river RCMP detachment that it would appear to be part of a coverup. At this point perhaps what was being covered up could be what Alvin said to police. Why?


It’s possible that there never was a paper trail made regarding what Alvin told police.


For example; seeing as how Alvin was a gas jockey on the night shift at the gateway esso, he would on a regular basis be gassing up cruisers and from this would likely have been on first name basis with all the local officers. So if on the Sunday night, it being a quiet night in Whitecourt, a local police cruiser pulls in, Alvin gassed it up and a conversation happens between officer friendly and Alvin. In this conversation Alvin tells the constable what he saw. So the young officer says to Alvin, thanks for the info, I’ll pass it on, there will likely be a couple investigators showing up to get a statement from you. ( no paper trail).


The officer phones the peace river detachment and passes on what Alvin told him. (No paper trail) the officer that took the call made a few notes shal we say, and shares the info verbally with a supervisor. Let’s say that supervisor was the cop that abducted carolyn.


A scenario like that could lead to the matter being hushed up within the peace river detachment as well put a huge target on Alvin by the cop that abducted carolyn. And no paper trail to follow that Alvin even existed. Likely in a scenario like this the constable who took the call would have even handed over any notes he had made while taking the call.


So all is forgotten by any of the parties involved.


As I said this is just a theory as to how things could have happened and why there is no


paper trail in the file. Doesn’t mean Alvin didn’t report to an RCMP officer what he saw.


Why did Alvin’s photo now show up with the article written as it is?

 

[DirtDiva]

Sometime what RCMP investigators do will tell us what tips they are following. Here’s an Edmonton sun clopping from May 29, 1984. It seems now RCMP have decided to expand the search area and start looking at other cases that might be connected to the Pruyser case. This is in sync with what Mrs Pruyser said the previous day. It would seem that something sparked this line of thinking? Was it perhaps the information provided by Alvin?

 

[DirtDiva]

If one watches the video about the Pruyser case posted by Krime with Kait, you will find at one point a newspaper clipping that says police are counting the area between peace river and Whitecourt. In 2 more clippings that are undated but were provided to gGary Poignant by RCMP it is said that police are checking ditches and Sid roads between Peace river and Edmonton looking for Carolyn. Why? Why are they looking in that direction? As compared to between peace river and Grande Prarie? Or peace river and Yellowknife? Or Athabasca?


What is it that might have given tgem any indication that she went that way as compaired to any other direction?



Could it have been because of what Alvin may have said?


That photograph of Alvin came from somewhere, most likely from a family member, possably his best friend as well.


Does one of them know something that Alvin told them and they are now cofrortable to speak about it?


I think it might be something to consider. It could be the clue we have all been waiting for for 41 years that just might put this case to bed and Carolyn’s remains just might be found.

 

[DirtDiva]

It is common knowlage around Peace river that police went to all members of the fire department requesting urine and pubic hair samples during the investigation of the Pruyser case. However they were most concerned as to who might have access to a red beacon. When this info was presented to former RCMP staff Sargent Harry Danyluck, he replied by saying they must have has some information that Carolyn’s disappearance might have been done by a person of authority. ( this info is in one of Gary Poignants blogs on Wordpress, and can be accessed by reading his blogs that have been posted on this websleuths page.


So, what was the information that led police to go down this avenue, investigating the members of the fire department? Was it perhaps the reports from citizens that saw the flashing red and blue lights of a police car on Kaufman hill at about the time Carolyn vanished? There were 3 people who reported seeing those lights early in the investigation. Mr and Mrs Ingram, as well as a lady, Denise Kit. Also if you read the blog by Gary Poignamt on this websleuths page that says the man labeled the suspect by police reported seeing those same lights on his way home from the 12 ft Davis centre. That man, (the suspect) also says he saw a marked police cruiser parked across the street from the 12 ft Davis centre, and in a location whereby the driver could watch every move Carolyn made white inside the submarine shop. He (“


The suspect”) also says he watched the police car follow the Pruyser car south on main street after he had returned into the submarine shop.


Here is a photograph of the car at the location where it was found by her father the next morning. One can see that there are many locations around town that one would be able to see police car lights that were activated at the location of her car.

The second photo has Mr Pruyser standing in front of his car. This photo was taken after police released the car back to the family.

 

[BritishColumbianWoman]

Sadly another year without answers.

 

[Alta]

So many years have passed, but I do believe this will be solved one day. I don't believe an RCMP officer is involved but that is my opinion.

 

[DirtDiva]

Yes Alta, many years have passed since Carolyn disappeared, more than 41 years. Many years have passed since you started this websleuths page. A month shy of 20 years actually. Many people at the time Carolyn vanished felt that a police officer was responsible. This is made clear in one of Gary Poignants blogs whereby the person that was working at the submarine shop KC says “ I still believe to this day that a police officer did it”. It seems that all the evidence points to a police officer as being the person responsible, in particular the police officer that was on duty that night.



Now in 2025, without DNA being found in the case, it’s highly unlikely for the case to get the attention of investigators, and there seems no DNA was found in this case. Therefore, I find it highly unlikely that without a confession from the party responsible that leads to the finding of Carolyn’s remains that this matter will be completely solved on its own merits.



But if her killer has other victims whereby he left DNA evidence behind and he then can be proven to have been in peace river that night, perhaps that might lead to the finding of her remains. This might occur.




Now Alta, as we all know, opinions are usually based somewhat on facts and it seems that the facts in this case appear to point in the direction that the culprit was the cop that was on duty that night.



This leads me to ask you, Alta, what facts do you know that makes you form your opinion that Carolyn was abducted by anyone other than a police officer? And in particular the police officer that was on duty that night? It appears that you have had the same “opinion” for many years.


I understand the purpose of websleuths is to generate discussion, discussion of “ the facts” not opinions.

 

[dotr]

2024

True crime and unsolved mysteries; Grande Prairie local explores the area's eerie past - Town & Country News

Lindsay Janes has been exploring the Peace Country’s unsolved mysteries and crimes past in her podcast Disturbing the Peace. Since launching in January, the Grande Prairie local has made 19 episodes (22 if you include specials) and has captured the attention of about 10,000 listeners. “I...

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“Her body has never been found, and no one has ever been named. In the case of the suspect, there's been no arrests, and of course, there's been no justice for the family.”

She hopes that spreading the word on a cold case like Pruyser’s might encourage someone to speak up if they ever saw anything that could help investigators.

“When was the last time someone's heard about her?

“When was the last time someone talked about her?

“When was the last time someone said, ‘Hey, let's look at this case again?’ And I mean that in a community sense. You know, the RCMP claims that it's still an active case, and they're still actively working on it, but a lot of the time, these cases are solved by the community.

“They're solved by people who maybe saw something and didn't think much of it. But when you jog their memory like that, they go, ‘oh my goodness, I need to tell somebody about, you know, this menial thing that maybe happened at a grocery store that I didn't think meant anything. But now that I hear this story, this could be the thing that solves that case’.”

 

[DirtDiva]

Firstly I’d like to welcome back Alta, the person that started this websleuths page after a hiatus of 16 years.

In an earlier post I mentioned a newspaper clipping that is on a video posted online by “ Krime with Kait”. A screenshot of that clipping will be attached to this post. The aforementioned video ( having an audience of more than 13k) looks at how the evidence shows the likelihood of the perp in the Pruyser case was a police officer.

There is also a video posted online by Avid Gardinier, ( a lady from England who spent a couple years in peace river as a teen). Her video looks also at how the culprit in this case could have been a police officer and how young people back then could see that the culprit could have been a cop. Her audience is over 12k.

Also as you bring to light Dotr, the podcast by Lindsay Janes with a viewing of more than 10k. She also speaks of how the evidence points in the direction that the villain could be a police officer. Included in Lindsay’s podcast, she interviews Gary Poignant who has written several blogs regarding this case and Gary clearly states that after his investigating, the crime could have been committed by a police officer. (Gary’s viewing audience is unknown) however several of his blogs have made their way into this websleuths page. In Gary’s blogs he speaks to Harry Danyluck, ( the first police officer to arrive at the abandoned car) who gave his opinion that the car had stalled and that Carolyn had got a ride with someone. The evidence does not support this position, however it seems to remain the “ official “ position taken by LE to this day. Harry even mentions a neighbour last that says the culprit is a cop. I have previously pointed out that the 16 year old young man that was working at the submarine store that night believes to this day that a cop did it.

Case and pound being, ladies and gentlemen, from day one in this case, people of all walks of life that look into the evidence in this case seem to agree by the tens of thousands , ( perhaps including “ the silent Majority” hundreds of thousands) of people that the case was perpetrated by a police officer, and in particular the cop that was on duty at that time in peace river.

All the recent discussion on this case, it seems, was initiated by a Reddit user named “ captianobvous” who as he says is working with a group of concerned citizens to try to bring closure to this and other cold cases in western Canada. He or she, speaks of several people who were reported to have reported to have seen police car lights at or near the scene at about the right time. ( names are named) He also names names of High ranking RCMP members up to and including Former Commissioner John Brenda Lucki, who his group of merry men and women have been made aware of the evidence of their investigations.

In conclusion, it seems that for the past 40+years, people ( members of the community) have been coming forward with very good reasons to investigate the cop that was on shift at the time Carolyn vanished. Even it seems, a gas jockey from Whitecourt May have witnessed Carolyn in a police car that he gassed up. It seems he mysteriously ended up dangling off the end of a rope. It seems there are tens or hundreds of thousands of people that can see how Carolyn’s abduction could likely have been the work of a cop.
Yet it seems somehow that the only people that are resisting this theory are members of Law Enforcement. That seems very odd, IMO. Why?

As promised, attached is the screenshot taken from the Krime with Kait video that speaks of RCMP searching the areas between Peace river and Whitecourt. Back to the question, what made police back then believe that Carolyn had been taken in that direction, as compared to several other possible directions from Peace river?

Was it perhaps a reported sighting from Alvin? The gas jockey from the Gateway Esso in Whitecourt?

It seems that “ the original sin” in the investigation of this case occurred when Officer Danyluck first approached the abandoned car and decided ( wrongly) that the car likely stalled and she got a ride with someone. Others have taken a different prospective of the situation and can see that on first glance, the evidence shows a scenario that would resemble more so a case whereby she had been pulled over by a police officer, placed in the rear of said officers car and driven away. Is it possible that Staff Sargent Danyluck could have been wrong in his original assessment of the situation and that the perspective of thousands of people could be the correct assessment? Police create a similar scenario on a daily basis whenever they arrest a driver at a traffic stop.

 

[DirtDiva]

My apologies at the beginning of para 5 say’s case and pound that should say case and point

 

[DirtDiva]

This very websleuths page, for many years seems to have been following a narrative that Carolyn was last seen gassing her car up at the Mohawk. There seems to be no evidence to support this position. Just as there seems to be no evidence to support the position reported in the Edmonton sun from the time, that she was last seen driving her car on the outskirts of peace river.


The evidence seems to point in the direction that Carolyn was last seen by her friend Leanne, in peace river, at Leanne’s home. But also a 5:00 am sighting seems to have occurred.

 

[DirtDiva]

Here is one fact that tells us they the Pruyser car did not “ stall”. The front wheels are turned from strait, this tells us that the engine was running when it came to rest where it was found abandoned. Therefore the engine stopped because the key was turned off.



This brings us back to a basic question in this case, why did she stop her car where it was abandoned?

 

[DirtDiva]

 

[DirtDiva]

 

[DirtDiva]

“The car started immediately”.





More indications that it did not “ stall”, also by starting immediately, would indicate to me that a boost of the battery was not required. That tells me the battery wasn’t dead and that indicates to me that the headlights were termed off prior to the car being vacated.


Previously. I spoke of the 16 year old man who worked at the submarine shop saying that to this day he believes the perp to be a cop. There is a newspaper article out there from back then, whereby the peace River member of parliament of the time, Albert Cooper was quoted as saying that it seems that she was taken by someone that she trusted.


Seems that people from all walks of life have for 41+ years have been telling authorities that the evidence points to the perp to have been a police officer. Members of the community could see this based on the evidence, yet the case remains “ unsolved”. Is it posssble that members of Law Enforcement have simply not been listening? Or is there a coverup going on?





So look at the evidence:


She pulled over for a reason, in an orderly fathom, no duress is indicated. Obviously the person she was dealing with approached her drivers door. ( the drivers window was halfway down on this chilly evening, and the bootprint on the door indicates that a person kicked the door closed after Carolyn exited the vehicle.) the engine was turned off by the use of the key and the headlights appear to have been shut off manually. The key was removed. There is zero indication that Carolyn felt threatened in any way let alone did she give any abdications that she felt in mortal danger. ( no signs of a struggle). Yet she simply vanished.





Again I’m going to ask, how is it possible that this abduction is the work of anyone but a police officer?





There are many people of all walks of life that see the facts in this manor and gave from the very beginning.


Is there any valid reason as to why the case wasn’t solved and the perp put behind bars within 12 hours of the missing persons report made by Mr Pruyser?


Don’t let the purse on the seat be an excuse. No person, when arrested and placed in handcuffs will be telling thier purse with them. The officer might return to the vehicle to retrieve the purse for the arrested woman but it would have been left in the car until the arrested person is securely in the back seat of the police car.

 

[DirtDiva]

 

[DirtDiva]

Even Officer Harry Danyluck in an interview by Gary Poignant and posted on one of Gary’s blogs states that there was indications that the person responsible was a person in a position of authority. Harry Danyluck was the first police officer to arrive at the abandoned car.





So, it seems that one would have to be willfully blind to not see that Carolyn was abducted by a cop.


So where did he take her?


Knowing the identity of the cop could help in identifying the answer to that question however If the 5:00 am sighting has any merit and it seems that it very well might have, and that sighting was by Alvin the gas station attendant. That appears where the trail goes cold so my guess would put Carolyn’s remains to be somewhere beyond Whitecourt in some direction, however there’s the possibility that after gassing up his car, the culprit went east of Whitecourt in the direction of Sean hills. Perhaps Alvin told his best friend or a relative some clue as to the direction the car went. He may have seen it go north or possibly turn onto the peers highway


This is pure speculation based on what appears to be ( the evidence).


It’s very likely that Carolyn was brought to a location where Alvin was originally brought to and killed before his remains were returner to the spot where they were found 10 years later.


Ironically, the police Officer we suspect was posted in Whitecourt and transfered out on August 1, 1989. Just days after the bear attack on Mr Noosky

 

[DirtDiva]

The case of Marie Goudreau, (unsolved) August 2, 1976 has some remarkable similarities to the Pruyser case as well as some glaring differences.


17 year old Marie, at about 9:15 pm dropped a friend off at the Edmonton inner city airport. We don’t know if she went into the terminal with the friend or not. Driving her blue Plymouth cricket that was registered to her father, she then stopped in at the apartment of a couple friends in Edmonton and departed that location at about 10:30. On her drive home, to the family farm, which was in the Beaumont area,( south and east of Edmonton) and after getting onto graveled country roads within kilometres of her families farm she pulled over to the side of the graveled road and vanished. Seemingly into another vehicle.


On the evening of August 4, 1976, Marie’s naked body was found in a ditch north of Devon, outside the Edmonton city limits to the west.


Marie’s blue car, unlike Carolyn’s was found parked on an angle on the side of the road. Unlike Carolyn’s which was parked in an orderly fashion. Could this indicate that Marie was forced off the road by a person driving behind her and acting like a jerk? Marie’s drivers side window was rolled down about 3/4 of the way. Carolyn’s, halfway. It was a chilly evening in peace River the night Carolyn vanished and it seems Carolyn rolled her window down halfway in order to speak with a person she showed no fear of. On August 2, 1976, the daytime high was 30C and the night time low was around 16C. Therefore it is posssble Marie’s window was rolled down for cooling however if that was the case, she likely would have had it completely down. Also being on a graveled road, she most likely had the window rolled up. So it seems that Marie likely stopped and rolled her window down in order to give the jerk that was annoying her with his reckless driving a piece of her mind, thus only rolling the window down 3/4 of the way. The evidence in the Goudreau case seems to show that at that moment everything changed. When she came face to face with “ the jerk”. This is where the similarities seem to begin to differ between the cases. In the Pruyser case, it seems that Carolyn and her abductor remained on friendly terms, but in the Gaudreau case, it seems that Marie was suddenly in a state of fear or panic. All indications are that Carolyn vacated her car in a calm manor that seemed to indicate she did not feel any reason to be fearful. Thus entering her abductors vehicle in a manor that might be described as voluntarily or at the very least, somewhat voluntarily.


Marie, on the other hand, somewhere around 11:00 pm, left her car running, with the lights on, the drivers door ajar, her purse and her shoes inside the car. That’s correct, her shoes were left inside the car and her blue socks have not been accounted for.


At about midnight police received a call reporting the abandoned Plymouth Cricket.

 

[DirtDiva]

Within 48 hours of the police attending the scene of the abandoned car, Marie’s remains were found and the case was undoubtedly considered to be an abduction, rape and murder.



The ensuing investigation has led police to believe Marie had pulled over to assist another motorist and was abducted in that manor. As of 2021, according to mews articles posted in that year, police seem to maintain that theory.



Now it will soon be 49 years since Marie was murdered and no change of that position seems to have occurred in the eyes of LE. However IMO, the facts of the case do not support that position.



Firstly, Marie’s car was as reported, parked on an angle, with the front of the car pointed towards the ditch. The Photos of (the car) posted on news articles does not show a car in that manor. So, could the photos of the car that police released to the media be photos taken from the reenactment? This seems to be the case. You’ll note, the photo of Carolyn’s car that I’ve posted on this page shows the window rolled up. Why police would tamper with items like that I cannot explain.



Another thing that tells us that Marie did not exit her car to assist another motorist is the fact that her shoes were left inside the car. Could she have been driving in her sock feet? Perhaps. But if she was, why wouldn’t she put her shoes on prior to exiting her car to assist another motorist?



Now, there are photos released to the public of the interior of Marie’s car in the same telivision reports from 2021. These photos appear to have been taken at night. I will attach a couple of those to this post. These photos might be actual photos taken from the actual crime scene. If so, they tell a completely different story. Now the question becomes “ why did Marie remove her footware prior to exiting the vehicle?”. You’ll note in the photos attached, the shoes tossed onto the floor on the passenger side. You’ll also note the dirty floor mat and foot petals on the drivers side. There is no way IMO that a 17 year old girl is going to be driving a vehicle in her sock feet on that floor. So, as I’ve asked, if those are actual crime scene photos taken of Marie’s car interior on the night police attended the abandoned cricket, “ why did Marie remove her footware prior to exiting the vehicle?”. You’ll note as well the drivers seat is moved forward indicating the car was driven by a shorter person, thus these could be actual crime scene photos. ( see photo attached.)



All the evidence in this case seems IMO to tell us that Marie was forced off the road by a person driving like a jerk from the rear, that Marie perhaps pulled over in a state of anger to give this jerk a piece of her mind, then when coming face to face with said jerk, she might have found herself looking down the bore of perhaps a S&W, model 10, 38 special. ( RCMP standard issue sidearm of the day). Perhaps showing her an RCMP badge and perhaps even in RCMP uniform. Was ordered to remove her shoes and exit the vehicle with her hands up and to enter the “Jerks” vehicle.



Now why would he order her to remove her footware? Have you ever tried to walk on a graveled road in your bare feet? Try it sometime and I’m sure you’ll see how quickly you start looking for your shoes.



Ironically, there are many of the cases from the highway of tears lists, Eg. Gloria Moodey, Monica Ignas, and Maureen Mossie, to name a few, whereby police have not accounted for their footwear.


How does all this bring us closer to a suspect? Stay tuned. .