CANADA Canada - Carolyn Pruyser, 18, Peace River, AB, 17 May 1984

[DirtDiva]

In an earlier post I posted a newspaper clipping from the Edmonton journal regarding a 5 am sighting. This info didn’t just fall out of the sky onto the reporters desk. It had to come from RCMP somehow. So here is the Edmonton suns report on the Pruyser case from the same day.


You’ll note, this is the first time any mention of the possibility of Carolyn being taken out of town from any articles that I’ve read. Also Mrs Pruyser says she was told by RCMP not to talk to the media. THAT IS STRANGE. I don’t think Mrs Pruyser made that up. Even the RCMP spokesperson denies they said that. This tells me that there had to be a faction within the peace river RCMP detachment that it would appear to be part of a coverup. At this point perhaps what was being covered up could be what Alvin said to police. Why?


It’s possible that there never was a paper trail made regarding what Alvin told police.


For example; seeing as how Alvin was a gas jockey on the night shift at the gateway esso, he would on a regular basis be gassing up cruisers and from this would likely have been on first name basis with all the local officers. So if on the Sunday night, it being a quiet night in Whitecourt, a local police cruiser pulls in, Alvin gassed it up and a conversation happens between officer friendly and Alvin. In this conversation Alvin tells the constable what he saw. So the young officer says to Alvin, thanks for the info, I’ll pass it on, there will likely be a couple investigators showing up to get a statement from you. ( no paper trail).


The officer phones the peace river detachment and passes on what Alvin told him. (No paper trail) the officer that took the call made a few notes shal we say, and shares the info verbally with a supervisor. Let’s say that supervisor was the cop that abducted carolyn.


A scenario like that could lead to the matter being hushed up within the peace river detachment as well put a huge target on Alvin by the cop that abducted carolyn. And no paper trail to follow that Alvin even existed. Likely in a scenario like this the constable who took the call would have even handed over any notes he had made while taking the call.


So all is forgotten by any of the parties involved.


As I said this is just a theory as to how things could have happened and why there is no


paper trail in the file. Doesn’t mean Alvin didn’t report to an RCMP officer what he saw.


Why did Alvin’s photo now show up with the article written as it is?

 

[DirtDiva]

Sometime what RCMP investigators do will tell us what tips they are following. Here’s an Edmonton sun clopping from May 29, 1984. It seems now RCMP have decided to expand the search area and start looking at other cases that might be connected to the Pruyser case. This is in sync with what Mrs Pruyser said the previous day. It would seem that something sparked this line of thinking? Was it perhaps the information provided by Alvin?

 

[DirtDiva]

If one watches the video about the Pruyser case posted by Krime with Kait, you will find at one point a newspaper clipping that says police are counting the area between peace river and Whitecourt. In 2 more clippings that are undated but were provided to gGary Poignant by RCMP it is said that police are checking ditches and Sid roads between Peace river and Edmonton looking for Carolyn. Why? Why are they looking in that direction? As compared to between peace river and Grande Prarie? Or peace river and Yellowknife? Or Athabasca?


What is it that might have given tgem any indication that she went that way as compaired to any other direction?



Could it have been because of what Alvin may have said?


That photograph of Alvin came from somewhere, most likely from a family member, possably his best friend as well.


Does one of them know something that Alvin told them and they are now cofrortable to speak about it?


I think it might be something to consider. It could be the clue we have all been waiting for for 41 years that just might put this case to bed and Carolyn’s remains just might be found.

 

[DirtDiva]

It is common knowlage around Peace river that police went to all members of the fire department requesting urine and pubic hair samples during the investigation of the Pruyser case. However they were most concerned as to who might have access to a red beacon. When this info was presented to former RCMP staff Sargent Harry Danyluck, he replied by saying they must have has some information that Carolyn’s disappearance might have been done by a person of authority. ( this info is in one of Gary Poignants blogs on Wordpress, and can be accessed by reading his blogs that have been posted on this websleuths page.


So, what was the information that led police to go down this avenue, investigating the members of the fire department? Was it perhaps the reports from citizens that saw the flashing red and blue lights of a police car on Kaufman hill at about the time Carolyn vanished? There were 3 people who reported seeing those lights early in the investigation. Mr and Mrs Ingram, as well as a lady, Denise Kit. Also if you read the blog by Gary Poignamt on this websleuths page that says the man labeled the suspect by police reported seeing those same lights on his way home from the 12 ft Davis centre. That man, (the suspect) also says he saw a marked police cruiser parked across the street from the 12 ft Davis centre, and in a location whereby the driver could watch every move Carolyn made white inside the submarine shop. He (“


The suspect”) also says he watched the police car follow the Pruyser car south on main street after he had returned into the submarine shop.


Here is a photograph of the car at the location where it was found by her father the next morning. One can see that there are many locations around town that one would be able to see police car lights that were activated at the location of her car.

The second photo has Mr Pruyser standing in front of his car. This photo was taken after police released the car back to the family.

 

[BritishColumbianWoman]

Sadly another year without answers.

 

[Alta]

So many years have passed, but I do believe this will be solved one day. I don't believe an RCMP officer is involved but that is my opinion.

 

[DirtDiva]

Yes Alta, many years have passed since Carolyn disappeared, more than 41 years. Many years have passed since you started this websleuths page. A month shy of 20 years actually. Many people at the time Carolyn vanished felt that a police officer was responsible. This is made clear in one of Gary Poignants blogs whereby the person that was working at the submarine shop KC says “ I still believe to this day that a police officer did it”. It seems that all the evidence points to a police officer as being the person responsible, in particular the police officer that was on duty that night.



Now in 2025, without DNA being found in the case, it’s highly unlikely for the case to get the attention of investigators, and there seems no DNA was found in this case. Therefore, I find it highly unlikely that without a confession from the party responsible that leads to the finding of Carolyn’s remains that this matter will be completely solved on its own merits.



But if her killer has other victims whereby he left DNA evidence behind and he then can be proven to have been in peace river that night, perhaps that might lead to the finding of her remains. This might occur.




Now Alta, as we all know, opinions are usually based somewhat on facts and it seems that the facts in this case appear to point in the direction that the culprit was the cop that was on duty that night.



This leads me to ask you, Alta, what facts do you know that makes you form your opinion that Carolyn was abducted by anyone other than a police officer? And in particular the police officer that was on duty that night? It appears that you have had the same “opinion” for many years.


I understand the purpose of websleuths is to generate discussion, discussion of “ the facts” not opinions.

 

[dotr]

2024

True crime and unsolved mysteries; Grande Prairie local explores the area's eerie past - Town & Country News

Lindsay Janes has been exploring the Peace Country’s unsolved mysteries and crimes past in her podcast Disturbing the Peace. Since launching in January, the Grande Prairie local has made 19 episodes (22 if you include specials) and has captured the attention of about 10,000 listeners. “I...

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“Her body has never been found, and no one has ever been named. In the case of the suspect, there's been no arrests, and of course, there's been no justice for the family.”

She hopes that spreading the word on a cold case like Pruyser’s might encourage someone to speak up if they ever saw anything that could help investigators.

“When was the last time someone's heard about her?

“When was the last time someone talked about her?

“When was the last time someone said, ‘Hey, let's look at this case again?’ And I mean that in a community sense. You know, the RCMP claims that it's still an active case, and they're still actively working on it, but a lot of the time, these cases are solved by the community.

“They're solved by people who maybe saw something and didn't think much of it. But when you jog their memory like that, they go, ‘oh my goodness, I need to tell somebody about, you know, this menial thing that maybe happened at a grocery store that I didn't think meant anything. But now that I hear this story, this could be the thing that solves that case’.”

 

[DirtDiva]

Firstly I’d like to welcome back Alta, the person that started this websleuths page after a hiatus of 16 years.

In an earlier post I mentioned a newspaper clipping that is on a video posted online by “ Krime with Kait”. A screenshot of that clipping will be attached to this post. The aforementioned video ( having an audience of more than 13k) looks at how the evidence shows the likelihood of the perp in the Pruyser case was a police officer.

There is also a video posted online by Avid Gardinier, ( a lady from England who spent a couple years in peace river as a teen). Her video looks also at how the culprit in this case could have been a police officer and how young people back then could see that the culprit could have been a cop. Her audience is over 12k.

Also as you bring to light Dotr, the podcast by Lindsay Janes with a viewing of more than 10k. She also speaks of how the evidence points in the direction that the villain could be a police officer. Included in Lindsay’s podcast, she interviews Gary Poignant who has written several blogs regarding this case and Gary clearly states that after his investigating, the crime could have been committed by a police officer. (Gary’s viewing audience is unknown) however several of his blogs have made their way into this websleuths page. In Gary’s blogs he speaks to Harry Danyluck, ( the first police officer to arrive at the abandoned car) who gave his opinion that the car had stalled and that Carolyn had got a ride with someone. The evidence does not support this position, however it seems to remain the “ official “ position taken by LE to this day. Harry even mentions a neighbour last that says the culprit is a cop. I have previously pointed out that the 16 year old young man that was working at the submarine store that night believes to this day that a cop did it.

Case and pound being, ladies and gentlemen, from day one in this case, people of all walks of life that look into the evidence in this case seem to agree by the tens of thousands , ( perhaps including “ the silent Majority” hundreds of thousands) of people that the case was perpetrated by a police officer, and in particular the cop that was on duty at that time in peace river.

All the recent discussion on this case, it seems, was initiated by a Reddit user named “ captianobvous” who as he says is working with a group of concerned citizens to try to bring closure to this and other cold cases in western Canada. He or she, speaks of several people who were reported to have reported to have seen police car lights at or near the scene at about the right time. ( names are named) He also names names of High ranking RCMP members up to and including Former Commissioner John Brenda Lucki, who his group of merry men and women have been made aware of the evidence of their investigations.

In conclusion, it seems that for the past 40+years, people ( members of the community) have been coming forward with very good reasons to investigate the cop that was on shift at the time Carolyn vanished. Even it seems, a gas jockey from Whitecourt May have witnessed Carolyn in a police car that he gassed up. It seems he mysteriously ended up dangling off the end of a rope. It seems there are tens or hundreds of thousands of people that can see how Carolyn’s abduction could likely have been the work of a cop.
Yet it seems somehow that the only people that are resisting this theory are members of Law Enforcement. That seems very odd, IMO. Why?

As promised, attached is the screenshot taken from the Krime with Kait video that speaks of RCMP searching the areas between Peace river and Whitecourt. Back to the question, what made police back then believe that Carolyn had been taken in that direction, as compared to several other possible directions from Peace river?

Was it perhaps a reported sighting from Alvin? The gas jockey from the Gateway Esso in Whitecourt?

It seems that “ the original sin” in the investigation of this case occurred when Officer Danyluck first approached the abandoned car and decided ( wrongly) that the car likely stalled and she got a ride with someone. Others have taken a different prospective of the situation and can see that on first glance, the evidence shows a scenario that would resemble more so a case whereby she had been pulled over by a police officer, placed in the rear of said officers car and driven away. Is it possible that Staff Sargent Danyluck could have been wrong in his original assessment of the situation and that the perspective of thousands of people could be the correct assessment? Police create a similar scenario on a daily basis whenever they arrest a driver at a traffic stop.

 

[DirtDiva]

My apologies at the beginning of para 5 say’s case and pound that should say case and point

 

[DirtDiva]

This very websleuths page, for many years seems to have been following a narrative that Carolyn was last seen gassing her car up at the Mohawk. There seems to be no evidence to support this position. Just as there seems to be no evidence to support the position reported in the Edmonton sun from the time, that she was last seen driving her car on the outskirts of peace river.


The evidence seems to point in the direction that Carolyn was last seen by her friend Leanne, in peace river, at Leanne’s home. But also a 5:00 am sighting seems to have occurred.

 

[DirtDiva]

Here is one fact that tells us they the Pruyser car did not “ stall”. The front wheels are turned from strait, this tells us that the engine was running when it came to rest where it was found abandoned. Therefore the engine stopped because the key was turned off.



This brings us back to a basic question in this case, why did she stop her car where it was abandoned?

 

[DirtDiva]