Canada -- Delta plane flips upon landing. Flight from Minneapolis. Pearson Int'l Airport. Toronto. 17 Feb 2025.

[JDG]

Crashed Delta jet cleared from Toronto airport runway, all 21 injured out of hospital

Delta Air Lines says all 21 people taken to hospital after one of its planes crashed at Toronto’s Pearson airport have now been released, as airport officials work to reopen two runways. The airline said it will continue to provide care for those who were on board Delta’s Endeavor Flight 4819...

toronto.citynews.ca

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Regarding, Delta's offering:

imo, I would not sign anything w/o advising with an attorney. Would not trust a huge corporation to have my best interest before theirs.

I agree. It’s a nice gesture for them to say no strings but it’s best for a lawyer to look it over first. It’s a nice payday for those not injured, especially the Canadians since it’s in American dollars!

 

[JDG]

I said to my husband that I couldn't believe they didn't send a bus or something out to the plane for people to get on and get warm.

The passengers were not left on the tarmac any longer than necessary.

It was very cold, very windy but when a plane crashes, there are many things to be done including getting survivors to shelter.

Don’t you think the Fire and EMS were a bit more urgent?

We do not have a time line for how long they were outside, criticisms is a bit harsh considering. IMO. MOO

 

[IceIce9]

I said to my husband that I couldn't believe they didn't send a bus or something out to the plane for people to get on and get warm.

They would have to locate a bus, a driver, etc. How quickly do you think they can get a bus dispatched?

 

[tarabull]

IIRC, they have buses on location at YYZ to transport people from other terminals to the Sunwing terminal....FWIW

 

[PrairieWind]

Regarding, Delta's offering:

imo, I would not sign anything w/o advising with an attorney. Would not trust a huge corporation to have my best interest before theirs.

I would advise a client to take the money if they need it. If there are med bills or counseling etc. For most of these passengers, they aren't going to receive some big payday in a lawsuit anyway.

 

[JDG]

New details emerge from the Delta plane crash investigation as last injured passenger is released from hospital

It comes as the last pieces of the plane have been removed from Pearson’s runways.

www.thestar.com

 

[JDG]

Delta disputes 'disinformation' about flight crew on plane that crash-landed at Pearson Airport

Delta and Endeavor set out to correct "disinformation" on social media that suggested the captain and first officer on the flight failed training events.

toronto.citynews.ca

 

[Joe Friday]

Very informative video about the pilots of Flight 4819 regarding their experience and time with the airline. As of yet we don't know which pilot was at the controls while the plane was landing, but I do agree that normally one pilot is flying the plane while the other pilot is handling the radio and talking to ATC. In the ATC recordings the pilot heard on the radio is a male, meaning the pilot flying was likely the female pilot.

JMO

 

[arielilane]

Couldnt agree more "There are always strings attached."


@LawyerYouKnow

Shocker - big corporation tries to settle cheap regardless of what damage was done to any individual person.

If you had serious injuries or mental anguish/ptsd (from like, crash landing) you might want to think about the long term effects before accepting any money. One bite at this apple and they’re hoping it’s just a nibble.

This is the type of stuff I hate to see people jump at because they don’t know what their options are - take a breath, there’s no need to rush.

There are always strings attached.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1892375706820395171

 

[JDG]

Delta disputes 'disinformation' about flight crew on plane that crash-landed at Pearson Airport

Delta and Endeavor set out to correct "disinformation" on social media that suggested the captain and first officer on the flight failed training events.

toronto.citynews.ca

Please read this information from Delta re disinformation about flight crew being disseminated on social media.

Just because it’s in a video or posted, does not make it true.

 

[Joe Friday]

Please read this information from Delta re disinformation about flight crew being disseminated on social media.

Just because it’s in a video or posted, does not make it true.

BBM

That is true, but it is hard to say information obtained directly from the FAA and one of the pilots Linkedin page regarding the pilots credentials is "disinformation".

Both pilots qualifications and flight experience will all come out in the NTSB report, as well as what they had for breakfast and dinner, what times they went to sleep and woke up, ect.

According to the FAA, the female pilot was issued an Airline Transport Pilot license on Jan 9, 2025 just a little over a month before the crash.

If you want to look up the two pilots FAA certificate, you can do so at the link below:

https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/

 

[JDG]

Two passengers in Pearson airport crash-landing sue Delta for serious injuries, emotional distress

One lawsuit filed on behalf of a Texas man says he’s permanently injured after being “suspended upside down by his seatbelt while drenched with jet fuel, in a burning plane.”

www.thestar.com

 

[vls12345]

Delta passenger files lawsuit against airline after plane overturns during crash at Toronto airport

The lawsuit claims Lourens suffered severe injuries to his head, back and face from the crash.

www.atlantanewsfirst.com

 

[ekc]

BBM

That is true, but it is hard to say information obtained directly from the FAA and one of the pilots Linkedin page regarding the pilots credentials is "disinformation".

Both pilots qualifications and flight experience will all come out in the NTSB report, as well as what they had for breakfast and dinner, what times they went to sleep and woke up, ect.

According to the FAA, the female pilot was issued an Airline Transport Pilot license on Jan 9, 2025 just a little over a month before the crash.

If you want to look up the two pilots FAA certificate, you can do so at the link below:

https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/

so far everything being said here in toronto and being reported by specialized pilots giving their thoughts on it is pilot error...the landing hit hard there was no nose up no flare and the plane was landing too fast ...of course there will be more from the boxes...i sometimes wonder why they cant build the plane around the boxes...they always come out ok...just a thought

 

[PrairieWind]

so far everything being said here in toronto and being reported by specialized pilots giving their thoughts on it is pilot error...the landing hit hard there was no nose up no flare and the plane was landing too fast ...of course there will be more from the boxes...i sometimes wonder why they cant build the plane around the boxes...they always come out ok...just a thought

that seems to be what is being said by other pilots I have seen. Just a hard landing. We will see if weather/wind had a hand in it I guess.

 

[LadyL]

is there a WS thread documenting all the plane accidents? I know we can't post the links here cause that would be off topic - there was another Delta incident yesterday

 

[GraceG]

BBM

That is true, but it is hard to say information obtained directly from the FAA and one of the pilots Linkedin page regarding the pilots credentials is "disinformation".

Both pilots qualifications and flight experience will all come out in the NTSB report, as well as what they had for breakfast and dinner, what times they went to sleep and woke up, ect.

According to the FAA, the female pilot was issued an Airline Transport Pilot license on Jan 9, 2025 just a little over a month before the crash.

If you want to look up the two pilots FAA certificate, you can do so at the link below:

https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/

That Jan 9 2025 date will show you the last time the ATP certificate was issued but it's not necessarily the FIRST time it was issued. She might well have had the ATP already and simply added the type rating for the Bombardier aircraft after being hired by the carrier. So the record would show the date the ATP was issued WITH a new type rating (not saying this is the case, but it's a possibility she had her original ATP prior to the January checkride to add the qualification to fly the CRJ).

If you look at my records it would show my last cert, an ATP was issued in 2003 but I actually got my ATP (in an old ratty Seneca II) originally in 1981, twenty-two years prior. The 2003 date was just an additional type rating for the EMB145.

As to the pilot flying, outside of an emergency where the captain may switch up who is actually "flying" - normally the pilot monitoring is on the radio, that can be either the Captain or the First Officer depending on whose leg it is.

Frankly though, when I was flying for the airlines, with that kind of gusting crosswind, I don't care WHOSE leg it was, I would have been making the landing if the First Officer was fairly new. The NTSB report should detail a lot more.

 

[Joe Friday]

Preliminary report on Delta plane crash at Toronto airport to be released Thursday: safety board​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/delta-plane-crash-preliminary-report-thursday-1.7487638

 

[Joe Friday]