CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #2

[Andromeda]

I think she used the word “instinct” interchangeably with “intuition”. I don’t have a problem with her choice of words-I do have a problem with that notion, though.

Agreed. Investigators would ask clarifying questions around her statement/s.

 

[swanniee11]

Where are you getting that info?

Royal Canadian Mounted Police in Nova Scotia

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Read statements from 5/2 and 5/3. 5/2 said they received a missing person's call approx 10am, the article on 5/3 says they were there shortly after 10am. We can only go by what they are giving us. IMO

 

[AIGT]

Where are you getting that info?

RCMP press release states the search began at 10am.
In a follow up tweet to that press release RCMP contradicts it and says the children were last seen at 10am.
RCMP dispatch records show the information from the caller being relayed to the officers multiple times is that the children were last seen at 8am.

So as of now it appears there really is no concrete evidence of the real times things took place that morning.

 

[seasideForest]

@Andromeda Does this help? Map of First Nations in Nova Scotia | Government of Nova Scotia

I think the children were mentioned further back as being members of Sipekne'katik Nation. MOO
I don't know enough about it to know whether they're on Sipekne'katik territory tho.

 

[otto]

I wonder how she can possibly know “they were outside playing”…”if they weren’t aware at the time” they were outside playing? Did someone come forward who claimed to have seen them out there?

That's the part that doesn't make sense - unless she believed that she should not allow the children to play outside unsupervised.

 

[sf618b]

I am merely chiming in as a mom of 5. I just heard about this case. My younger kids always get up before me and entertain themselves, with the exception of the baby. My 6 and 9 year old play on their tablets, get snacks, etc. We have a 5 bedroom 2 story house. They know they are not allowed outside, and we have chains on the high part of the door. I get up with the baby around 730 or 8. School days are different, I have an alarm set.

My kids have wandered off outside while playing before, usually at the behest of a neighborhood kid, and did not respond while being called, and my husband and I have split up. One of us got in the car and one of us stayed close to home. Their older siblings also helped.

So, in terms of these behaviors, this is all normal to me.

What is not normal, in my opinion, is them not mentioning the kids were sick. If they were sick and had not been in school and clearly they were not going to school again (why?), this should have been mentioned because it was a disruption in the norm. That's just my 2 cents.

The fact that they still have not been found, to me, indicates foul play. By who, it's hard to say.

 

[Muddy K]

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I’ve spent more than a couple of minutes trying to figure out why someone would use the word “instinct” when calling 911 after looking everywhere but failing to find one’s children. Any idea?

‘We just want them home’: Mother of missing children in Nova Scotia’s Pictou County pleads for safe return

The mother of two missing children in Nova Scotia’s Pictou County is pleading for their safe return.

www.ctvnews.ca

BBM
“We get up and look outside. We’re looking everywhere, yelling for them, and I instantly just called 911. I just had the instinct I needed to call.”

JMO, but I think terror often dictates action, and one of the first tools we almost automatically use to act in response to terror is instinct. I can easily see myself feeling compelled by instinct to call 911 because the situation here was absolutely terrifying: two small children have disappeared. What could set off instinct triggers more quickly or more profoundly?

 

[Snoop Sister]

@Andromeda Does this help? Map of First Nations in Nova Scotia | Government of Nova Scotia

I think the children were mentioned further back as being members of Sipekne'katik Nation. MOO
I don't know enough about it to know whether they're on Sipekne'katik territory tho.

Yes, it is my understanding that Lily and Jack are band members of Sipekne'katik First Nations. The band name means “where the wild potatoes grow.” Additionally, most of Nova Scotia is the unceeded traditional lands of the Mi'kmaq First Nations which Sipekne'katik First Nations are part of.
The settlers took over the land when they came to Canada.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/05/americas/missing-siblings-canada-nova-scotia-intl-hnk

Terry Newman: RCMP puts land, African Nova Scotian acknowledgements before missing kids

Rescue efforts' press conference overshadowed by Dalhousie University's cultural imperialism initiative

nationalpost.com

Sipekne'katik

www.sipeknekatik.ca

 

[AIGT]

Yes, Lily and Jack are band members of Sipekne'katik First Nations. Additionally, most of Nova Scotia is the traditional lands of Sipekne'katik First Nations. The settlers took over the land.

The maternal Grandfather - from the globe

“The chief of Sipekne’katik First Nation, Michelle Glasgow, addresses speculation around the case and asks people to “refrain from jumping to conclusions or sharing unverified information, as this can complicate the efforts of the multiple agencies involved in the ongoing investigation.” She says the children’s maternal grandfather is a member of the Mi‘kmaq community.”

 

[Jmoose]

Further to your point, the helicopter would have had been using infrared to scan the terrain for body warmth. It would have picked up two ‘live’ children - if their missing time was accurate. They wouldn’t have gotten that far given the reports about how dense and difficult those woods are.

They were absent from school for a couple of days? May 2nd was a Friday. Jack was four so would not have started school yet? (NS starts Kindergarten (Primary) at 5 years; but, I see now they have a voluntary “pre-primary” program.) So was Jack enrolled in pre-primary? Lily was six. Was that a PD day? If no, there is no mention of the kids being sick/the mom calling the school, only them sleeping in and the kids playing in the room next to them.

So the last time Lily (at least) was in school was Tuesday. And her mom called 911 at 10am Friday morning.

I am thinking that you might be on to something here, timing-wise. I just cannot understand why neither the infrared, nor the dogs picked up anything. And absolutely no artifacts belonging to these two children has been found, near or far. They could have been abducted, but that is less likely than it might seem, given the remoteness of the area.

 

[AIGT]

If you go by the globe timeline it was right after major crimes got involved that the mother left.

There’s also no indication what kind of briefing this was if it was for all SAR or just the family etc.

MAY 3, 2025

RCMP issue a “broadcast intrusive alert,” a public cellphone notice that the children are missing, to people in Antigonish, Colchester and Pictou counties. The Mounties’ major crimes unit becomes involved in the investigation.

MAY 3, 2025

Ms. Brooks-Murray and Mr. Martell attend a briefing at the search and rescue headquarters on nearby Lansdowne Station Road. Mr. Martell said Ms. Brooks-Murray leaves midway through the update to sit in the back of an ambulance. She departs with her mother and Mr. Martell said he hasn’t seen her since. She cuts off contact with him after this.

It is then not until the 6th when Martell has his 4 hour interview.

The next day, the 7th the RCMP ask for Martells phone. Then also on the 7th Brooks-Murray’s mother tells the globe the police instructed them to not speak to the police.

Then the 8th is when the globe is told Brooks-Murray is no longer in a relationship with Martell. They are told that by a women who answers Brooks-Murray’s phone meaning RCMP doesn’t have it (they could’ve copied it and gave it back already of course)

The 8th is also the day that Martell is goes to CPS

 

[Snoop Sister]

The maternal Grandfather - from the globe

“The chief of Sipekne’katik First Nation, Michelle Glasgow, addresses speculation around the case and asks people to “refrain from jumping to conclusions or sharing unverified information, as this can complicate the efforts of the multiple agencies involved in the ongoing investigation.” She says the children’s maternal grandfather is a member of the Mi‘kmaq community.”

Link please? It is my understanding the child are band members as well.

 

[AIGT]

Link please? It is my understanding the child are band members as well.

Two Nova Scotia children are missing. Here’s a timeline of key events since the siblings vanished

Six-year-old Lilly Sullivan and her four-year-old brother Jack were reported missing on May 2

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[otto]

Getting a 911 response out here takes literally hours. I assume they checked the immediate property, then did the call and broader search. <modsnip>

911 call was around 10 a.m. on May 2. Stepfather got in his vehicle and drove around. When he returned, around 10 minutes later, he started looking on foot.

Travel time from Pictou RCMP station to home is 37 minutes, Truro RCMP is 45 minutes. "All hands on deck" suggests there was an immediate RCMP response to the 911 phone call. It's possible that RCMP were at the home by 11 a.m.

Mother left Search & Rescue briefing on May 3. She did not do this in response to hearing that her children were likely deceased. She left for unknown reasons and cut contact with the children's stepfather.

May 2​

"At approximately 10 a.m., Ms. Brooks-Murray calls 911 to report Lilly and Jack missing."​

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May3​

"Ms. Brooks-Murray and Mr. Martell attend a briefing at the search and rescue headquarters on nearby Lansdowne Station Road. Mr. Martell said Ms. Brooks-Murray leaves midway through the update to sit in the back of an ambulance. She departs with her mother and Mr. Martell said he hasn’t seen her since. She cuts off contact with him after this.​

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Dad Statement​

"As soon as I seen they were gone, immediately jumped in the car and did all the dirt roads, all the culverts, checked over the rivers and streams. As soon as I got home 10 minutes later, I headed out on foot.”​

Two Nova Scotia children are missing. Here’s a timeline of key events since the siblings vanished

Six-year-old Lilly Sullivan and her four-year-old brother Jack were reported missing on May 2

www.theglobeandmail.com

"It has been an all-hands-on-deck effort, using every available resource and tool," says Staff Sergeant Curtis MacKinnon, District Commander for Pictou County District RCMP."​

Update: Multi-agency search for missing children in Pictou County scales back | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Google Maps

 

[Jmoose]

This is my observation: LE will tell parents not to talk to reporters about the details of an investigation when they have been cleared and they are sharing details of an investigation with them; however, given what the RCMP has reported about their scope (searching for two kids who wandered off of their own volition/no Amber Alert required,) and what stepfather is sharing with news reporting, it appears there has been a reset and they are interviewing the parents. So, it doesn’t appear both have been cleared. At least not him. It’s usually one's lawyer that tells [them] to zip it because their words will be analyzed and used against them in a court of law. So given that the grandmother said “LE” told them not to talk to the reporters, either the mother has been cleared, or, I’m wondering if mom has a lawyer.

I find the stepfather’s 100% cooperation and his reporting of it to the press, to the detail, and he offering to take a polygraph versus the mother’s behaviour interesting. From when LE pulled them both into the first debrief, it is reported she bailed part way into it to an ambulance. Her mother picked her up and took her and the baby away. From that point onwards the stepfather reported the mom blocked him on social media, etc. and ghosted him. So there is a “fracture” there.

I did come across a timeline of events, and quotes of him trying to access time with his baby; but all the news sources around that have been deleted probably because of confidentiality/Privacy Act.

Given the mother's statement around what happened May 2nd up to the 911 call and what “she” wants, the use of the “I” and “we” pronouns, her seeking sanctuary at her parents’ home, imo, it appears to me like she’s throwing him under the bus.

One would think both knows what happened May 2nd as well as the days leading up to the 911 call since it appears all five were home from Tuesday onwards. I’ve read Lily got off of the bus Tuesday. So she was alive Tuesday. Wednesday was Truth and Reconciliation Day (national holiday) so no school. No mention of playdates with other kids in the neighbourhood, or anything like that. And that Lilly had a cough so she was kept home Thursday and apparently Friday. I also read the step-father worked at a mill but work was quiet. Not sure if he was home the whole week or just part of it. Given that both report they were in bed together Friday morning, I would say he was off Wednesday (national holiday) and Friday (he in bed that morning with the mother and getting up together, and he searching before the call). The mother is a full-time mom with an 18-month(?) baby. Usually a baby at that age, if the age is correct, is in their sleep routine and up early in the morning. Not sure how both parents could be snoozing/laying in bed until whatever time with three kids under six.

I think given the father’s cooperativeness and willing to talk to the press about everything, means he didn’t “do" anything. Unless we're looking at another Casey Anthony who actually walked LE to an office door she insisted was her’s, but literally had to come clean at its threshold that she was lying. I’m really wondering now if these two were “separated" and he was couch surfing at his friend’s, that he dropped in Friday morning to see his baby and that’s when all hell broke loose. Purely speculation on my part.

Nice work!

 

[Snoop Sister]

911 call was around 10 a.m. on May 2. Stepfather got in his vehicle and drove around. When he returned, around 10 minutes later, he started looking on foot.

Travel time from Pictou RCMP station to home is 37 minutes, Truro RCMP is 45 minutes. "All hands on deck" suggests there was an immediate RCMP response to the 911 phone call. It's possible that RCMP were at the home by 11 a.m.

Mother left Search & Rescue briefing on May 3. She did not do this in response to hearing that her children were likely deceased. She left for unknown reasons and cut contact with the children's stepfather.

May 2​

"At approximately 10 a.m., Ms. Brooks-Murray calls 911 to report Lilly and Jack missing."​

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May3​

"Ms. Brooks-Murray and Mr. Martell attend a briefing at the search and rescue headquarters on nearby Lansdowne Station Road. Mr. Martell said Ms. Brooks-Murray leaves midway through the update to sit in the back of an ambulance. She departs with her mother and Mr. Martell said he hasn’t seen her since. She cuts off contact with him after this.​

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Dad Statement​

"As soon as I seen they were gone, immediately jumped in the car and did all the dirt roads, all the culverts, checked over the rivers and streams. As soon as I got home 10 minutes later, I headed out on foot.”​

Two Nova Scotia children are missing. Here’s a timeline of key events since the siblings vanished

Six-year-old Lilly Sullivan and her four-year-old brother Jack were reported missing on May 2

www.theglobeandmail.com

"It has been an all-hands-on-deck effort, using every available resource and tool," says Staff Sergeant Curtis MacKinnon, District Commander for Pictou County District RCMP."​

Update: Multi-agency search for missing children in Pictou County scales back | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Google Maps

The RCMP stated at their press conference that they arrived shortly after 10 a.m.

 

[Warden23]

Warden23 said:
<modsnip>
They are in reservation territory. I’m looking for the name of the Reservation and can’t put my fingers on it, yet. Their LE was first involved and responded. Then the case was handed over, officially, to the RCMP. Don’t quote me, but this is my understanding per the recent update I read about the RCMP taking over.

No, the trailer isn't on the rez.
ETA technically it's on unceeded Mi'kmaq territory, but for current legal standards it's Nova Scotia.

 

[Jmoose]

Does anyone else find it odd that on that Friday the mother began her statements by saying, "What happened was ....." and then launches into detail of the morning happenings? The details seems to have been thought out beforehand. Just MOO. I would have too flustered to give provide all of that detail.

I thought it was an odd way to detail the events, but I also don’t know her speech patterns. I am trying not to let that influence me-but I think the police will know whether or not this is odd behavior.

 

[iamafiusny]

I thought it was an odd way to detail the events, but I also don’t know her speech patterns. I am trying not to let that influence me-but I think the police will know whether or not this is odd behavior.

I found it odd that stepdad was telling us what happened, but then would add "I'm guessing", like he remembered he wasn't supposed to know.

Also bothered by a silent sliding door. Granted I've only lived in 3 homes, but all of the sliding doors have been heavy and you could literally feel them open/ close even upstairs.

In tiny, old trailers I'd think every think every sound and movement would be more obvious.

All jmo

MAY 4, 2025

Mr. Martell speaks to The Globe and Mail about what happened on the morning the children went missing: “Lily came into the room multiple times. I seen her that morning and Jack was out playing in the kitchen, I’m guessing, and they slid open the back sliding door. It’s almost like silent to hear it sliding. They slid it open – the boots were right beside the door and they proceeded to, I’m guessing, playing outside. They must’ve got out through the back fence and then they were gone.

 

[lonetraveler]

It does happen that multiple children get lost together. I recall two past cases here that I think have both been removed, because the children were found alive. One was a sibling group that all went missing in the forest while their grandma was preparing food, but they were found within a day or two. And one was a sister and brother who went into nearby woods while their father was preparing to grill in the backyard. Everyone laughed when they asked for a cheese pizza after being rescued 2 days later.

I hope this case has a happy ending, but so much more time has passed.

Has there been any info out that the couple own dogs? I'm wondering if they do own dogs, where are they? I'm thinking the dogs would have followed the children.