CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #2

[Alice Ramnit]

DBM

What does DBM stand for? Thanks!

 

[MistyWaters]

What does DBM stand for? Thanks!

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[katydid23]

MAY 3 above BBM
As usual, the actual happenings are puzzling. Why did MBM leave to go sit in the back of the ambulance midway through the update???.

My guess---an investigator or an officer pulled her aside to speak with her separately. They probably asked her if her original statement was 100% accurate or if she had something else to add...imo

I think it is possible that she said her partner told her they needed to have a unified story to protect themselves from false accusations etc.

Was her mother in there (she departs with her mother) and the ambulance drove off? Where was baby M?

I think she was advised to take her baby and go home with her mother for now. While things get sorted out. IMO

 

[MistyWaters]

My guess---an investigator or an officer pulled her aside to speak with her separately. They probably asked her if her original statement was 100% accurate or if she had something else to add...imo

I think it is possible that she said her partner told her they needed to have a unified story to protect themselves from false accusations etc.


I think she was advised to take her baby and go home with her mother for now. While things get sorted out. IMO

i don’t know but I have a hard time imagining the RCMP asking to reinterview anyone in the back of a parked ambulance.

I also have difficulty casting DM as the bad guy and MBM as the innocent victim who bears no accountability whatsoever regarding the reason her children are missing. The mother of three, I’d assume she’s responsible enough to make her own decisions without other people - the police or her mother - telling her what to do. If she’s not, then I’d wonder why.
JMO

 

[AIGT]

My guess---an investigator or an officer pulled her aside to speak with her separately. They probably asked her if her original statement was 100% accurate or if she had something else to add...imo

I think it is possible that she said her partner told her they needed to have a unified story to protect themselves from false accusations etc.


I think she was advised to take her baby and go home with her mother for now. While things get sorted out. IMO

It’s certainly possible. The argument between families was the same day so it’s possible police were present for the argument and that led them to make the decision to try and separate them shortly after at the briefing whether for her safety or for investigative purposes.

 

[MistyWaters]

It’s certainly possible. The argument between families was the same day so it’s possible police were present for the argument and that led them to make the decision to try and separate them shortly after at the briefing whether for her safety or for investigative purposes.

Do we know the argument between families occurred before or after the briefing? I’m confused because I thought it was the argument that caused MBM and her mom to leave, in which case they’d be gone before the briefing occurred. Nothing has been reported regarding police intervention pertaining to separation of the couple that I noticed.
JMO

 

[iamafiusny]

Do we know the argument between families occurred before or after the briefing? I’m confused because I thought it was the argument that caused MBM and her mom to leave, in which case they’d be gone before the briefing occurred. Nothing has been reported regarding police intervention pertaining to separation of the couple that I noticed.
JMO

The only thing I remember being reported is that Mom asked the police to get stuffed animals from the house and bring them to her.

So there does seem to be some acknowledgement of a separation and her not going to pick up the items herself.


ETA:
MAY 3, 2025

Ms. Brooks-Murray and Mr. Martell attend a briefing at the search and rescue headquarters on nearby Lansdowne Station Road. Mr. Martell said Ms. Brooks-Murray leaves midway through the update to sit in the back of an ambulance. She departs with her mother and Mr. Martell said he hasn’t seen her since. She cuts off contact with him after this.


Moo

 

[AIGT]

Do we know the argument between families occurred before or after the briefing? I’m confused because I thought it was the argument that caused MBM and her mom to leave, in which case they’d be gone before the briefing occurred. Nothing has been reported regarding police intervention pertaining to separation of the couple that I noticed.
JMO

No we don’t know which happened first.

I originally thought she left as a result of the argument but now with the details about her leaving the briefing and him also saying he didn’t know why she left - it’s really unknown if she was even present for the argument or if it happened with other family members after she left.

She could’ve even said something to her other family members before she left that triggered them to accuse Martell.

 

[Tricia]

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[LadyL]

I apologize. Sorry I quoted the wrong post.

it's all good, no worries

 

[katydid23]

i don’t know but I have a hard time imagining the RCMP asking to reinterview anyone in the back of a parked ambulance.

I could easily see that happening. It wouldn't be a formal interview like one at the station. But any chance they might get, to separate two main witnesses, even spontaneously, could be very productive. They may have felt that her 'we, we, we' statement was not 100% accurate.

I also have difficulty casting DM as the bad guy and MBM as the innocent victim who bears no accountability whatsoever regarding the reason her children are missing.

I have no idea if either of them is guilty or innocent of anything. I was simply trying to understand the scenario we've been given of mom sitting in an ambulance and then leaving and cutting ties with her partner of 3 years. My proposed scenario is speculation based upon some given facts. Nothing more...

The mother of three, I’d assume she’s responsible enough to make her own decisions without other people - the police or her mother - telling her what to do.

I'd think that anyone, who was dealing with the sudden disappearance of their 2 young children. would be struggling and in need of assistance, support and advice. IMO

If she’s not, then I’d wonder why.
JMO

 

[Snoop Sister]

Do we know the argument between families occurred before or after the briefing? I’m confused because I thought it was the argument that caused MBM and her mom to leave, in which case they’d be gone before the briefing occurred. Nothing has been reported regarding police intervention pertaining to separation of the couple that I noticed.
JMO

The dispute between the families happened last Saturday. (May 3rd)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/pictou-county-missing-children-lily-jack-sullivan-may-6-1.7527394

 

[Notascreenname]

Has there been any official word from the RCMP since they said they were scaling back the search?

 

[MollyHarps]

I’ve been busy and stayed away from this thread for a few days - I’ve just caught up now and sad to see there seems to have been no progress in this case.

I still think the key piece of evidence so far for me is this argument that led to the mother leaving home - Surely if she was with him all that morning then she’d have defended him and said it couldn’t have anything to do with him.. moo.

I’m hoping for news for Jack & Lily ASAP

 

[Hexe]

And since it's reported she left with her mom and the infant

This child is not an infant, being over a year old.

 

[Hexe]

And he also said to a different reporter (I’ll try to find it) that he didn’t know why she left. So that made me wonder if she left first and then the fight happened.

You’re on it with the “It” I just don’t know if that’s allowed.


The last part about them being in bed it’s also interesting to note that he said he heard them in the kitchen playing and lily came in the room a few times and he told her that they need to be quiet… My issue with that is that he then claims he jumped out of bed as soon as he couldn’t hear them.

Why would them doing what you told them to do be the thing that triggers you to think something is wrong?

Because kids that age are rarely entirely quiet, even when they are trying to. Complete radio silence is a red flag for all the parents as it usually means the little ones left the building or are very, VERY busy with something. And believe me, when they are that much busy you want to know immediately what occupies them so much. Jumping out of bed because there were no kid noises is one of the least concerning parts of that story, at least IMO.

 

[Warden23]

Exactly.

I made this point before. Him saying her family is accusing him doesn’t add up unless she was lying in her first interview. She said “we” did this “we” did that. If that is true then there is no reason why her, an adult mother wouldn’t be able to tell her family “he didn’t do anything I was with him” and calm the situation down so that everyone could participate in focusing on the kids.

People are bending over backwards trying to say this isn’t unsual

In my opinion

Technically, if we look at the story again now that we know she left earlier than the argument, Martell just says "some people", it's the reporter who says it was between the two families. So, it's possible that it wasn't her family at all, since we don't have a direct source saying that.

 

[Warden23]

I’ve repeatedly read about the boots by the door. But the backpack is news to me.

It’s such an odd thing for a six year-old to grab to take out to the yard to play. I wonder if anyone bothered to check if she forgot her backpack on the bus ride home from school on Tuesday? Because it’s a given the kids would put their boots on to go outside and play. But attributing the “missing” backpack to what Lilly would be wearing is really odd, imo, because neither mom nor stepdad report seeing the kids leave the trailer/property.

“...Martell said Jack was wearing a pull-up diaper and Lilly was wearing a white backpack with red strawberries on it that should be highly visible. ..."

Missing children: Help the RCMP find Lily Sullivan and Jack Sullivan | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

I don't think it's that odd. Mine had one she brought everywhere for "treasures". It always had her Barbie and a bunch of rocks she liked in it.

 

[AIGT]

Technically, if we look at the story again now that we know she left earlier than the argument, Martell just says "some people", it's the reporter who says it was between the two families. So, it's possible that it wasn't her family at all, since we don't have a direct source saying that.

We still don’t know if it was before or after.

 

[Warden23]

We still don’t know if it was before or after.

Fair enough. Regardless, Martell never says it's her family, and it could be a possibility that it was just other people in the community. Rural NS, like most rural areas, does have a ton of people who want to get up in everyone else's business. There's not much else to do.