Canada - Liana White, 29, Edmonton AB, 12 July 2005 - #1

[lauriej]

Are you Canadian? Do you live near the area where this woman was abducted? If so, speak up and if not, take my word for it.

...yes i'm canadian..
...yes i live near edmonton..

...i see you're adamant that a 5'4" woman should weigh 150 lbs. @ 9 months.....
...i'm almost 5'6"...........and weighed in at 134 with my 1st, and 167 with my 2nd......

...and i don't understand how the weight issue is an issue at all..............a woman is missing..................she's pregnant yes..........who cares what she weighs?

 

[newtv]

he said she left at 6:15 because she was known to leave at that time-her work mates would have said she was not yet at work or that she was always at work at a particular time..people's habits are known-so if he was asked what time she left for work everyday-it would be 6:15 (at least this is what I think)..her workmates would know what time she made it to work every other day and that would have her leaving the house at 6:15-as well he may not have thought it was a big deal-he may not have thot it would be cross checked..
or- he is innocent and the timeline will explain itself soon..

 

[Ghostwheel]

Here's my :twocents: on the time issue. Say it is 7:00 am. My clock says it is 7:05, because I keep it fast. My watch says 7:15 because it has never kept time right. My car clock says 6:50 because I disconnected the battery and never got around to resetting it, because it was close enough (and a pain to reset). Right there, you have the whole discrepancy. If you add in that I might have been thinking it was later than it was, it's pretty easy to get the times off. And I'd be surprised if hubby can say what color scrubs she was wearing, unless she wore the same color every day (and there are so many to choose from, now) because a lot of men just don't notice. (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.)

However, I would have a hard time if there were no signs of struggle. That would indicate she left of her own accord, or was never really there.

And I'm a fatalist. If any member of my family just disappeared (because none of them would just walk away), I'd think the worst if they hadn't turned up for two days. I wouldn't be thinking they went out for Cheetos and got lost, because that would not make sense. I'd be thinking I've probably lost my loved one and be stuck between searching to kill(the perp), and rolling up in a ball. I wouldn't be coherent on TV. I'd probably look like a homicidal maniac. Yeah, I'd pass the job off to someone else.

 

[newtv]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/07/15/1133783-cp.html

Might be an update-they reinterviewed the husband.

 

[lauriej]

..i see your point........

..if she was usually at work at 7 .......or 6:45.( to do the shift change thing as it's been said on these boards) DID the hospital call the husband when she wasn't there yet ? or did LE call when they checked the abandoned SUV ? do we know WHO called him ?

 

[Ghostwheel]

If this was a TV episode, the perp would be the woman who was going to the gym, or the other guy who claims he saw the vehicle earlier and her/his claims of seeing the SUV earlier would be to throw everyone off the scent.

If only life were as easy as a television program....

But seriously, why would a person with a cell phone stop in a parking lot a couple of miles from home? If there were already someone in her car, forcing her to do so? If she got some kind of pains, and just stopped to see if they would pass? If she needed to stop at the Y for something? Any other thoughts?

 

[lauriej]

Here's my :twocents: on the time issue. Say it is 7:00 am. My clock says it is 7:05, because I keep it fast. My watch says 7:15 because it has never kept time right. My car clock says 6:50 because I disconnected the battery and never got around to resetting it, because it was close enough (and a pain to reset). Right there, you have the whole discrepancy. If you add in that I might have been thinking it was later than it was, it's pretty easy to get the times off. And I'd be surprised if hubby can say what color scrubs she was wearing, unless she wore the same color every day (and there are so many to choose from, now) because a lot of men just don't notice. (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.)

QUOTE]

..........the clocks in our house are similar to yours...........

...my one daughter likes to have hers 10 minutes ahead of time..............so she can hit the snooze button and dream aliitle longer..
...my other daughter has hers 5 minutes ahead of time, to allow herself time to change her outfit 6 times every morning..


..yet...........they both leave the house , like clockwork, at exactly the same time ( by the clock in the kitchen ) every day.........8:29, to catch the school bus at 8:34...

...our clock in the car is not only 4 minutes ahead...( so that we can hopefully arrive somewhere on time).........it's also not set to daylight savings.......an hour off....yet we still know the time...

...if someone leaves EVERY morning at 6:15................then it's 6:15.......

 

[Ghostwheel]

...if someone leaves EVERY morning at 6:15................then it's 6:15.......

Man, it'd be GREAT to be that exact in my life. But the cereal gets spilled, the toilet overflows, the rat dies in the driveway. No two days are alike around here--they tell me other people don't have these things happen....

 

[lauriej]

If this was a TV episode, the perp would be the woman who was going to the gym, or the other guy who claims he saw the vehicle earlier and her/his claims of seeing the SUV earlier would be to throw everyone off the scent.

If only life were as easy as a television program....

But seriously, why would a person with a cell phone stop in a parking lot a couple of miles from home? If there were already someone in her car, forcing her to do so? If she got some kind of pains, and just stopped to see if they would pass? If she needed to stop at the Y for something? Any other thoughts?

........yes...on TV, the perp would have to be someone that they've 'shown' us so far........because the TV audience has to 'identify' with the character and all that......if only we could get the hot shot CSI guys to wrap this up in the next 45 minutes............

...i can't see someone who works in a hospital............enroute to that hospital........stopping for any medical emergency.......why not just carry on to the hospital ?
..i have thought about why she may pull over into that lot..................can't think of any reason......

 

[lauriej]

Man, it'd be GREAT to be that exact in my life. But the cereal gets spilled, the toilet overflows, the rat dies in the driveway. No two days are alike around here--they tell me other people don't have these things happen....

.......i definitely agree..........and nothing is exact here either......

...my point was...........that even though our clocks are set at all sorts of varying times, the kids are out of here at the SAME time eah day.........or they'd miss the bus....be late for school...

...liane would also have a certain time to leave each day......or be late for work...in this case, he says 6:15.......

...edited to add: he not only says she left at 6:15...........( according to news reports) he says he SAW her leave at 6;15...........

 

[Jess]

http://edmsun.canoe.ca/News/Edmonton/2005/07/16/1134393-sun.html


Husband searches for Missing Wife

 

[FacTink]

WOAH HO! Did everyone see this quoted from one of the witnesses?

>>
"When I first saw the vehicle, that was approximately 5:58 a.m.," the witness said.

"I'm positive of that. In fact, I even can confirm [that time] from my scan card when I got to the gym."
<<

Hm....I had written a message to you all but I took so long writing it that it got wiped. I can't remember if a subsequent messages asked what I had intended, "do they sign in at that gym?"

Well...it looks like there is a scan card...and that maybe that time is going to be documented.

Now if we can get Darryl's bus pickup documented for that day...

FT

 

[Casshew]

..thank you.............it didn't occur to me at the time that there was another liana white........

...sorry for the confusion........

I don't know for sure... ~ it's just we have only heard she is a clerk in a hopital, nothing about music etc... but you never know

 

[Casshew]

http://edmsun.canoe.ca/News/Edmonton/2005/07/16/1134393-sun.html


Husband searches for Missing Wife

Jess thanks for the link :blowkiss:

 

[Jess]

The story didn't even make the local news on the Global tv station. Guess they feel they have nothing newsworthy to report so did not even mention it.IMO

 

[Casshew]

Husband re-interviewd, Search Intensifies

 

[linnafay]

Ok me being up north here...and finally having a day off work...I thought I would throw my :twocents: in.

Now granted we are almost 4 hours north east of Edmonton, but we have visible light at 4am. By 5am it is light. If her vehicle was spotted at 658 then it was seen in daylight, not dark.

Have they checked the computers? Was she chatting online? Did someone stalk her?

As for her leaving early, somedays I leave earlier than others as does my hubby...unfortunately, if asked which day he left at 720 and which day he left at 735...I would not be able to say. I would likely say he leaves at 730.

Was the husband up? Was he in the shower? How does he know what she had on? Does she wear the same thing everyday? I wear scrubs and since I only have two colors of bottoms and three colours of tops, my hubby would be pretty certain of what I was wearing even if he did not see my walk out the door.

The longer she is missing, the more I tend to think he is involved...although, I hate that. I am still reeling from Karla getting out, we dont need another killer on the loose!

 

[sandraladeda]

Could we try to speculate on possible scenarios, and organize our ideas into categories? This is what I can think up so far. I know we can brainstrom more possible scenarios.

One scenario - Look at the husband. Like many have said, it is usually the husband, sad to say. He killed her by accident (an argument got out of hand), then he thought up a "cover story" and hastily made it look like she had been abducted on the way to work. Would explain elements that appear to be "staged", might explain timeline problems.

-or-

He killed her on purpose, and premeditated the "crime scene". Tossed her body in the North Saskatchewan River? Motive? Did not want another baby, trapped in marriage, girlfriend on the side...

Second Scenario - Staged her own disappearance - reasons? Trapped in marriage? Has boyfriend? Running off with said boyfriend? Baby is not hubby's, and the truth will come out eventually, so cannot stay in marriage? Does not want another baby, wants to abort? Prenatal tests indicate child has birth defects, does not want to carry to term, hubby would never agree to abort? She is suicidal and staged "crime scene" to spare family from knowing she chose suicide, walked to North Saskatchewan River and jumped?

Third Scenario - Crime Committed by Third Person - someone she knew - such as a boyfriend, maybe the father of the unborn child, who does not want her to have his child, or who is maybe married to someone else? Or someone she knew, such as a friend or relative, who was angry, jealous, whatever.

Or by someone she did not know - a perfect stranger, who somehow managed to get her to pull over through some sort of trick, in order to harm her. Or, for some reason, she pulled over on her own - I used to pull over to vomit from morning sickness, and with my 2nd and 3rd child, my morning sickness went into my 5th month. If she pulled over on her own, she may have just been in the wrong place at the wrong time, and been jumped. Or perhaps she witnessed something she shouldn't have witnessed, some sort of criminal activity in the park where her vehicle was stopped.

This is as organized as my thoughts can get, as I puzzle over this case. I would love it if some of you sleuthers can think up additional possibilities.

**I hope I don't appear to be disrespectful to the Whites with some of my speculation. I am very sensitive to casting victims in a negative light. This is not my intent....

 

[Casshew]

Thanks sandraladeda, it has to be one of those scenarios or aliens.

You know what is strange about this case (to me)? It's been a few days now and I haven't bonded with the missing victim. Usually by now you have heard more about the person, seen more photos, heard family members speak, personal anecdotes.

I have heard generalizations (ie) neighbour saying she is sweet, someone saying she is shy, but nothing really in depth.

In other cases when friends/family/coworkers make pleas, or are interviewed you get attached to the person missing and develope a real fondness for them.

 

[sandraladeda]

Great points, Casshew. I have been thinking the same. If my sister was missing, for example, God forbid, my family would be front and center, the whole world would know we are looking for her. Every photo ever taken of her would be on the news. We don't even know if Liana White has any family.

You are so right about attaching to the victim. This is why I was so consumed by the Laci case right from the first day I heard she was missing.

I have thought that maybe if this happened in the US instead of a Canadian city there would be more media coverage. More media means more reporters investigating her life, and therefore we would know more about her.

But I do have a sense that the Edmonton Police Service knows more than it is saying. Just a feeling.