Canada - Liana White, 29, Edmonton AB, 12 July 2005 - #1

[linnafay]

Do you think maybe the police do not want us bonding with her? When we bond..we tend to be more passionate, and would then look more closely at the husband...the stats show...

Maybe they are trying to keep it low keyed until the evidence is more thoroughly examined.


BTW Cass... I mentioned to my hubby about the L names going missing....he said I had nothing to worry about, since I can no longer get pregnant! LOL

 

[Jess]

Those are all good theories.

However I doubt whether she walked to the North Sakatchewan -- it's a long way from Castledowns.
We have not heard of any evidence of vomit or any other bodily fluids at the scene.
WE still have not heard, unless I have missed it, how the husband found out how she was missing.
No friends of the husband have been reported as saying anything . I wonder why ?

 

[sandraladeda]

Those are all good theories.

However I doubt whether she walked to the North Sakatchewan -- it's a long way from Castledowns.
We have not heard of any evidence of vomit or any other bodily fluids at the scene.
WE still have not heard, unless I have missed it, how the husband found out how she was missing.
No friends of the husband have been reported as saying anything . I wonder why ?

Yes, Jess, I wondered how near she was to the river. I was always a "westend girl", so couldn't quite picture how near Castle Downs is to the river.

Yes, there seems to be very little talk on the part of friends and family. I also wonder why.

 

[linnafay]

Yes, Jess, I wondered how near she was to the river. I was always a "westend girl", so couldn't quite picture how near Castle Downs is to the river.

Yes, there seems to be very little talk on the part of friends and family. I also wonder why.

Castle downs is near St. Albert and down west of the old Griesbach Q's

It is a 15 min drive to the hospital if there is NO traffic. I would say probably more like 25 at that time of the day.

The river is by downtown...that would be one heck of a long walk!!

 

[gagesmom314]

Didn't we read somewhere that when she did not show up for work that her co workers called to see where she was? That could answer the how the hubby found out she was missing question.

 

[Jess]

If she is found in the river, I would feel confident in saying that someone put her there. The LOOONG route she would have had to walk to get to the river would only have increased the number of people that could have seen her.She would have been walking during rush hour. Didn't happen.
Today it is cool and has been raining off and on. Not a wonderful day for a search.

 

[linnafay]

If she is found in the river, I would feel confident in saying that someone put her there. The LOOONG route she would have had to walk to get to the river would only have increased the number of people that could have seen her.She would have been walking during rush hour. Didn't happen.
Today it is cool and has been raining off and on. Not a wonderful day for a search.

Ya its raining up here in Cold Lake as well...I worry that all the rain will make it difficult for search dogs to pick up her trail

 

[Jess]

Looks like a lot of dogs were at the Grand Prix yesterday. I haven't seen any pictures of dogs out searching. I know it was said they would be using dogs today.( Have friends up in Cold Lake )
We know the husband is ex-military and is now a mechanic. Haven't heard a word about where he works.

 

[mom-a-licious]

Wonder if Liana's car was kept locked prior to her getting into it in the morning? Could it have been unlocked during the night, and maybe outside or in an unlocked garage?

When she got in the car in the AM, someone could have already been in the back of the car, with a gun.

That might explain no signs of a struggle, why she pulled the car over, didn't make a cell call, etc.

People who have a gun pointed at them tend to follow commands without struggle.

Perp could have directed her to an area, where he already had his vehicle parked somewhere nearby.

When they reached that area, perp could have told Liana to take her wallet from her purse, then had her walk ahead of him, directing her to his vehicle.

She may have kicked off her shoes, and dropped the other items as clues, with perp not caring if she did, as he knew the car would be found anyway and that he & Liana would be long gone by the time her car was found.

Just racking my brain for possible scenarios. This scenario might point to someone who knew her, knew her & her family's routines, and that she'd be coming out to the car in the A.M. by herself. And knew the area well, also. A co-worker, perhaps?, or neighbor?

Still doesn't explain the time descrepancy regarding when her car was first seen, and I do still have questions in my mind about husband's possible role in this. Just a possible role, but the questions are there.

Someone mentioned using tracking dogs to determine if Liana had indeed been in the area around the outside of her car, where it was found that morning. Wonder if LE did this?

 

[Casshew]

Any word on a reward yet? I have not heard anything about the family putting up $$ for information.

Where are Liana's parents?

I still can't believe there has been no additional photos released, surely they have some more pics of her. I have not even heard when the one they are showing was taken- is it recent? is it a good representation of what she looked like the day she disappeared , hair style etc... was she wearing her hair up that day? what colour were her scrubs? is she shoeless now? as the shoes at the scene were the ones she normally wears to work?

Such little info :waitasec: very strange IMO

 

[newtv]

Here's my :twocents: on the time issue. Say it is 7:00 am. My clock says it is 7:05, because I keep it fast. My watch says 7:15 because it has never kept time right. My car clock says 6:50 because I disconnected the battery and never got around to resetting it, because it was close enough (and a pain to reset). Right there, you have the whole discrepancy. If you add in that I might have been thinking it was later than it was, it's pretty easy to get the times off. And I'd be surprised if hubby can say what color scrubs she was wearing, unless she wore the same color every day (and there are so many to choose from, now) because a lot of men just don't notice. (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.)

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..........the clocks in our house are similar to yours...........

...my one daughter likes to have hers 10 minutes ahead of time..............so she can hit the snooze button and dream aliitle longer..
...my other daughter has hers 5 minutes ahead of time, to allow herself time to change her outfit 6 times every morning..


..yet...........they both leave the house , like clockwork, at exactly the same time ( by the clock in the kitchen ) every day.........8:29, to catch the school bus at 8:34...

...our clock in the car is not only 4 minutes ahead...( so that we can hopefully arrive somewhere on time).........it's also not set to daylight savings.......an hour off....yet we still know the time...

...if someone leaves EVERY morning at 6:15................then it's 6:15.......

I disagree-the people who own the clocks know how they work- we have not had it reported that it was 6:15 am (but that the clocks in the house are fast.) We are talking about routines.

He said it without blinking..so if her car was seen even at 6:15 then he is lying..but the car was spotted by 5:50-55..that is not a small amount of time.
The car should not have been where it was until say 6:20 or later..thats why his first statement should be taken as a lie. And why would he lie? And if he lied about that then what else is he lying about?
Further he is a military guy-how many military guys do u know who dont know the exact time?
They have a child-what mother doesnt know the time when it comes to what her child should be doing?
If they set their clock ahead-if his watch said one thing and the clock another, then he should have made that clear.
He said 6;15 because that is the time she would normally leave-for all we know she was already dead.
(Now we dont know he is involved, but I think in a missing persons case nothing should be blown off as accidental or coincidental. Every small detail is possibly the answer..and think about Laci- scott said he left the house at one time and they proved he did not-right there he was screwed.

added..and another thing we are not talking about unnecessary detail here-the time is critical - I do not think you speculate about time when a person is missing unless you really do not know for sure. He seemed to know for sure..so her car should not have been where it was so soon..I do not know the time from her house to where it was spotted and I am only allowing 5 minutes. That would be 6:20.
Our clocks are out a bit here and there..but a hospital worker and a military guy are not going to be sloppy about time.
Further- just how you described the time above would tell me that in your case there could be a reasonable explanation for a descrepancy, but that is not what happened here. He did not say- well we set our clock ahead and then her watch goes by hospital time and mine is always set to the radio....so it was sometime between 6:00 - 6:20 am.
He was definite and thats not an accident.

 

[newtv]

Wonder if Liana's car was kept locked prior to her getting into it in the morning? Could it have been unlocked during the night, and maybe outside or in an unlocked garage?

When she got in the car in the AM, someone could have already been in the back of the car, with a gun.

That might explain no signs of a struggle, why she pulled the car over, didn't make a cell call, etc.

People who have a gun pointed at them tend to follow commands without struggle.

Perp could have directed her to an area, where he already had his vehicle parked somewhere nearby.

When they reached that area, perp could have told Liana to take her wallet from her purse, then had her walk ahead of him, directing her to his vehicle.

She may have kicked off her shoes, and dropped the other items as clues, with perp not caring if she did, as he knew the car would be found anyway and that he & Liana would be long gone by the time her car was found.

Just racking my brain for possible scenarios. This scenario might point to someone who knew her, knew her & her family's routines, and that she'd be coming out to the car in the A.M. by herself. And knew the area well, also. A co-worker, perhaps?, or neighbor?

Still doesn't explain the time descrepancy regarding when her car was first seen, and I do still have questions in my mind about husband's possible role in this. Just a possible role, but the questions are there.

Someone mentioned using tracking dogs to determine if Liana had indeed been in the area around the outside of her car, where it was found that morning. Wonder if LE did this?

Someone being in the car waiting is about as good an alternative theory as I have heard so far. it never occured to me that might have happened. The next question then would be WHY?
Why would anyone want to kidnap her-no ransom has been asked for? It would have to be someone obsessed with her and who wants her for his own..
I dont think anyone with a gun would let her leave clues- only something staged. I doubt I would kick my shoes off or drop anything if I had a gun to my head. I would only drop what I was told to.

 

[sandraladeda]

Castle downs is near St. Albert and down west of the old Griesbach Q's

It is a 15 min drive to the hospital if there is NO traffic. I would say probably more like 25 at that time of the day.

The river is by downtown...that would be one heck of a long walk!!

I've been in Calgary for 5 years. My recollection of where the river goes in Edmonton is getting fuzzy, lol! I can't remember where it goes east beyond Capilano. And I was also picturing Castle Downs as being more east, sort of near Londonderry maybe? It was never my neck of the woods!

Funny how many of us are in and around Edmonton. We could have a mini-WS reunion! At WEM when Casshew travels thru perhaps?

 

[sandraladeda]

Responding in between your comments in red. By the way, I love that name, "Mom-a-licious"!

Wonder if Liana's car was kept locked prior to her getting into it in the morning? Could it have been unlocked during the night, and maybe outside or in an unlocked garage? Edmonton is a safe city. Not everyone locks up. I'm not a big door/car locker anyway, so it's possible.

When she got in the car in the AM, someone could have already been in the back of the car, with a gun. Not such a big possibility in Canada, would guess knife though...

That might explain no signs of a struggle, why she pulled the car over, didn't make a cell call, etc.

People who have a gun pointed at them tend to follow commands without struggle.

Perp could have directed her to an area, where he already had his vehicle parked somewhere nearby. Which could have been another SUV, thus spotted earlier by witnesses (there are about 10 people on my street with beige SUVs, including myself!)

When they reached that area, perp could have told Liana to take her wallet from her purse, then had her walk ahead of him, directing her to his vehicle.

She may have kicked off her shoes, and dropped the other items as clues, that's what I would try to do! with perp not caring if she did, or not noticing, or not having time to do anything about it...as he knew the car would be found anyway and that he & Liana would be long gone by the time her car was found.

Just racking my brain for possible scenarios. This scenario might point to someone who knew her, knew her & her family's routines, and that she'd be coming out to the car in the A.M. by herself. And knew the area well, also. A co-worker, perhaps?, or neighbor? Enemy? Of her or hubby?

Still doesn't explain the time descrepancy regarding when her car was first seen, and I do still have questions in my mind about husband's possible role in this. Just a possible role, but the questions are there.

Someone mentioned using tracking dogs to determine if Liana had indeed been in the area around the outside of her car, where it was found that morning. Wonder if LE did this?Oh, I hope they did![/QUOTE]

 

[Jess]

In the Edmonton Sun article ( I posted the link earlier) it mentions Liana's mother, Maureen Kelly, an Edmonton resident.
On Saturdays there is no local news on any of the tv stations at noon . Neither CTV nor Global had any mention of the case during the morning shows.
I have seen only one picture of Liana. Is her hair the same? She certainly didn't look to be 140 pounds in the picture- wearing jeans and a white top.
There certainly is a dearth of information.

 

[Mabel]

I've seen her name spelled with two n's and with one n. Which is correct?

Her car was older, a 1991. Perhaps the car started acting up and she pulled into the lot intending to call for assistance. I wonder if LE started the car or simply towed it away.

I have a hard time with the theory that she just "walked away" from her life and left her first child behind. You can't walk away from being pregnant. If she did "walk away" there has to be another man involved.

 

[mysteriew]

In regards to the cell phone wallet and ID being strewn around. Usually if you throw a wallet, Things that may be loose in the wallet would fall out (if the wallet was open). But ID's, credit cards, and etc. that are in those little plastic sleeves will remain with the wallet (one or so may bounce out when the wallet hits the ground). Those sleeves fit pretty tight and don't allow things to just drop out. Items in the bill holder, would mostly stay in also, until the wallet hit the ground. To be described as strewn around, I would think that the items would have to be individually removed from the wallet and then thrown. LE mentioned the credit cards and ID being found strewn around. They did not mention anything about the pictures. Most women keep kids pictures and other family pictures in there wallet. Why weren't they "strewn around"?
IMO the items from her wallet were taken out deliberately, only the ones that would identify Liana. They were dropped or thrown around deliberately to associate her with the vehicle and/or to make it look like she was taken from the scene for money. Possibly to imitate a struggle. Same with the shoes. Keys were found but "not in the ignition". Like maybe they were removed out of habit, then the thought occurred that they would have to be there, so they were dropped to add to the "struggle" appearance.
My first thought was that they would find Liana near the vehicle, but I am revising that. The vehicle was meant to draw attention from the crime scene. And to draw attention from the site where Liana is.
One thing that I am not hearing is stories about the marriage (sp). I am not hearing that they were a cute and loving couple. I am not hearing about anticipation of the impending birth. Friends are not talking about them. Could it be that since no one has been accused- they don't want to be the first to point the finger?

 

[lostfaith]

Here's my :twocents: on the time issue. Say it is 7:00 am. My clock says it is 7:05, because I keep it fast. My watch says 7:15 because it has never kept time right. My car clock says 6:50 because I disconnected the battery and never got around to resetting it, because it was close enough (and a pain to reset). Right there, you have the whole discrepancy. If you add in that I might have been thinking it was later than it was, it's pretty easy to get the times off. And I'd be surprised if hubby can say what color scrubs she was wearing, unless she wore the same color every day (and there are so many to choose from, now) because a lot of men just don't notice. (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.)

However, I would have a hard time if there were no signs of struggle. That would indicate she left of her own accord, or was never really there.

And I'm a fatalist. If any member of my family just disappeared (because none of them would just walk away), I'd think the worst if they hadn't turned up for two days. I wouldn't be thinking they went out for Cheetos and got lost, because that would not make sense. I'd be thinking I've probably lost my loved one and be stuck between searching to kill(the perp), and rolling up in a ball. I wouldn't be coherent on TV. I'd probably look like a homicidal maniac. Yeah, I'd pass the job off to someone else.

This is exactly what I said earlier. Every clock in my house is different. And MAYBE he never even got out of bed, maybe she came in the bedroom, said she was leaving, he said goodbye and rolled back over. Happens everyday in my house. Maybe he just said she left at 6:15 because that is the usual time she leaves, and maybe they asked what she was wearing and he said "scrubs" because that what she usually wears. Do we know for sure that he said he was for sure up and awake when she left? Or is he just going by what "usually" routine in their house?

Or...maybe he did it. I need more info.

 

[lostfaith]

Man, it'd be GREAT to be that exact in my life. But the cereal gets spilled, the toilet overflows, the rat dies in the driveway. No two days are alike around here--they tell me other people don't have these things happen....

Lol ghostwheel....dont feel bad, sounds like my house too!

 

[lostfaith]

........yes...on TV, the perp would have to be someone that they've 'shown' us so far........because the TV audience has to 'identify' with the character and all that......if only we could get the hot shot CSI guys to wrap this up in the next 45 minutes............

...i can't see someone who works in a hospital............enroute to that hospital........stopping for any medical emergency.......why not just carry on to the hospital ?
..i have thought about why she may pull over into that lot..................can't think of any reason......

I can think of a few. Dont know what happened to her, but I have pulled over for a few reasons in the past.
1. Engine trouble, with a brand new vehicle, lesson....do not ever continue to drive when your oil pressure drops!
2. Threw a lit ciggerate out the window and it flew back in, to the back seat! But, she is prego and prob. dont smoke.
3. Turned a corner too fast and my coffee, soda, or whatever went flying out of the cup holder and spilled all over. pull over to clean it up a little.
4. ashamed to admit this one.....realized I was driving in second (automatic car) and pulled over to put it into drive. I do this one alot, dont know why :blushing:
5.Pulled over to make sure I had my checkbook, or whatever so I did not have to go back home later. Better to do it now when only a block from home.
6. felt faint and pulled over. Very possible being pregnant and the weather so hot. Better to pull over than continue driving, in my opinion!

Just saying, there are plenty of reasons people pull over.