CANADA Canada - Lindsay Buziak, 24, Victoria, BC, 2 Feb 2008

[Lalalacasbah]

bbm

That depends on how she was cut.

It’s a weird crime in that she seems so friendly, likeable and innocent.

True, I had heard rumours (I think from her dad on his site, can't remember) about her wounds but nothing official.

Still awfully risky in a house that close to neighhbours and a decent amount of suburban traffic so close by.

 

[kenziekane]

ITA, if you take the whole drug/cartel out of it altogether I think it can definitely swing the other way.

I think very possible someone was scamming, skimming, laundering money through that office or tied to someone in it. Friend? Lover? Family?

I can't shake this crime has a woman's touch - in planning and possibly the actual murder. It's over the top. Extremely calculated.

The "Mexican" accents might have been a red herring to make it seem drug/cartel. The reason Lindsay wanted back up with the couple is because she probably instinctually thought the accent sounded fake.

The dress and the wig, not to sound sexist but I seriously think that's details a women would think to do, not cartel or drug dealers.

It does seem personal. Rage, jealousy, someone stewing and having contempt for a long time.

I have super interested in this theory especially when JZ's best friend (who was at Lindsay's birthday) was charged with fraud but he's in another country so they can't prosecute IIRC....

Do you have someone in mind?

 

[kenziekane]

That birthday photo with Jason holding the knife is so telling/frightening, and you're right Martel was his best friend at the time of Lindsay's murder. Martel was a broker before moving to BC from Ontario in the early 2000's. He joined the Bank of Nova Scotia when he relocated here so had lots of experience doing mortgages prior to Lindsay's murder. If he didn't play a part in Lindsay's murder, my guess is, he knows exactly who did. He is a Ponzi-scheme fraudster & a narcissist, and they are capable of just about anything.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

That birthday photo with Jason holding the knife is so telling/frightening, and you're right Martel was his best friend at the time of Lindsay's murder. Martel was a broker before moving to BC from Ontario in the early 2000's. He joined the Bank of Nova Scotia when he relocated here so had lots of experience doing mortgages prior to Lindsay's murder. If he didn't play a part in Lindsay's murder, my guess is, he knows exactly who did. He is a Ponzi-scheme fraudster & a narcissist, and they are capable of just about anything.

Bingo! My thoughts exactly. Mortgages and real estate go hand in hand... I definitely think not a coincidence MOO JMO

 

[kenziekane]

Bingo! My thoughts exactly. Mortgages and real estate go hand in hand... I definitely think not a coincidence MOO JMO

I believe Lindsay's murder was very personal, planned and orchestrated by people very close to her. The drug angle theory was likely implemented by the conspirators as a diversion tactic. It worked for a while but people using critical thinking skills finally realized what was really going on.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I believe Lindsay's murder was very personal, planned and orchestrated by people very close to her. The drug angle theory was likely implemented by the conspirators as a diversion tactic. It worked for a while but people using critical thinking skills finally realized what was really going on.

I am wondering the same... if the whole drug mentions are a red herring.

 

[Rush4087]

Has Martel been arrested? If not, is his location known? It seems there might be more than a few people interested in finding him

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Has Martel been arrested? If not, is his location known? It seems there might be more than a few people interested in finding him

He's been on the lam awhile, out of the country. I think there's a warrant out for him here in Canada and US.

 

[Danaya]

Apparently he was last known to have traveled to Dubai. He may never be held accountable.

Investors duped in $300 million Ponzi scheme sue Royal Bank, B.C. financial regulator

Three investors, Andy Todd Wilson, Dustin Frank Renz, David Cumby hope to have claim certified as class action for more than 1,200 investors

vancouversun.com

 

[Danaya]

Here's a photo of Jason, Lindsay, and Greg Martel allegedly taken in November of 2007.

 

[kenziekane]

Yes, taken at Lindsay's birthday party. Just weeks before she started telling everyone she was planning on leaving Jason. Who the heck holds a knife like that, and that look in his eyes are full of evil. As for Greg Martel, I doubt whether he will ever be held accountable, he has so many haters now that there's a chance he won't live long enough to be brought to justice.

 

[kenziekane]

I am still open minded that another woman (not SZ even) was involved.

The planning and details, the insane amount of random details involved with this just feels "female" to me. Someone who worked in real estate or knew it well from a friend, family or partner. Someone who had a personal reason, was done wrong, grudge, jealousy, resentment, rage, etc.

I think of a Jodi Arias type but fixation on LB and build up to 'make her pay' for something....

EXCEPT the only thing that throws me off that is isn't a lone killer, this person got recruitment to help. So trusted people, not hired. Would have to be family?

There was at least 2 (decoys at the door) or 2 or 3 if murderer was already waiting/hiding upstairs or in closet.

I most definitely believe a woman was involved.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I most definitely believe a woman was involved.

Me too for sure. Planning and possibly committing even.

 

[kenziekane]

The master bedroom was at the top of the staircase, which is why I always assumed they got behind her on the stairs to take her by surprise with her back turned. That's just how I envisioned it, but I wasn't there -- I don't think anyone can conclusively say where the attack started. Obviously she was killed in the master bedroom since that's where her body was found and presumably where the blood was.

I reread the Capital Daily article and it says: "The main bedroom was at the top of the stairs. As Lindsay turned to show the ensuite bathroom, she was stabbed from behind with an edged weapon." I'm not sure how they determined she was killed specifically when turning to show the bathroom since there were no witnesses. Maybe investigators concluded it from where her body was found and blood spatter patterns. It seems oddly specific. Either way, the point is LB was led into a vulnerable position and taken by surprise with her back turned. A lot of realtors lead the way when showing homes, which is why the female accomplice was brought along -- she helped lower LB's guard.

I don't think you need a hazmat suit to kill someone small and unsuspecting without leaving DNA, especially if it's well-planned. The expert panel emphasized this was planned, so I assume the attack was too. Adding another person hiding upstairs just means more people privy to and witnessing a murder and that's a liability. Typically you want in and out, minimal witnesses. Two people can get the job done. Even having a man and woman team was unusual, according to the Dateline panel. Having a third person hiding upstairs in a hazmat suit just doesn't make strategic sense to me. LB was small, so a man with a knife wouldn't have trouble overpowering her, especially with the female accomplice there to help restrain her if needed.

The panel believing the killers had real estate ties might be spot-on. They knew which house to select: a vacant property where they wouldn't be interrupted. They knew the layout well enough to lead LB to the most isolated part of the house. This level of familiarity could suggest insider knowledge of local listings as well as even property access.

Also, this wasn't typical organized crime methodology. Hitmen hired by organized crime usually favor straightforward approaches -- catching someone at a restaurant, coming home, getting in or out of their car in a parking lot or parkade. The fact that a vacant house was chosen could signify real estate ties because, yeah, LB was a real estate agent, but it's not the typical MO of the type of people she was allegedly linked to through the Calgary drug bust. There were easier ways to kill her. Stabbing her to death in a staged showing seems unnecessarily risky and complicated. Why would someone take that risk, and why choose that method? I think the answer to that question is key.

You are so right Danaya. There is not how organized crime operates. They don't take weeks to set up their murder plan, then lure their victim to an empty house. High risk is not their game, they could have killed Lindsay as she was leaving her office, walking down the street. One bullet after dark, no witnesses. This murder is personal, some jealous vindictive person wanted her gone and they called in friends/family to help make it happen.

 

[kenziekane]

Me too for sure. Planning and possibly committing even.

Me too for sure. Planning and possibly committing even.

Only a devious, vengeful woman could have planned this murder. However, I don't believe that same woman was the killer. It most likely took the strength of a man to do the damage that was done.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Only a devious, vengeful woman could have planned this murder. However, I don't believe that same woman was the killer. It most likely took the strength of a man to do the damage that was done.

I do think possible someone (a woman) was stewing a long time about Lindsay... grudge or whatever... jealousy, resentment, hatred, maybe feeling 'justified' for something if she felt wronged or betrayed by Lindsay...something...

The man could of held Lindsay down/arms held back while the woman did the damage. Who knows really, but wounds from what I know/have heard - sound personal/emotional so I side a little more to that being done by the woman who had hatred towards her.

I don't know the inside details though and unsure what's true...all speculation and JMO

 

[snarast]

You are so right Danaya. There is not how organized crime operates. They don't take weeks to set up their murder plan, then lure their victim to an empty house. High risk is not their game, they could have killed Lindsay as she was leaving her office, walking down the street. One bullet after dark, no witnesses. This murder is personal, some jealous vindictive person wanted her gone and they called in friends/family to help make it happen.

There are different types of organised crime. Cartels are often more showy than the mob - they kill ten people and hang them from a bridge for all to see. Things like that - medieval displays.

While I think the murder of Lindsay is showy and planned - I don’t think there are many cartel murders in Canada, so that alone makes it less likely.

It is one strange murder, though.

IMHOO

 

[Danaya]

Typically "overkill" murders with stabbing as the primary method are deeply personal. In cases where the victim wasn't known to the offender, they're almost always linked to sadosexual offenders.

I can't be certain, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Dateline panel had access to information never released to the public, such as Lindsay's autopsy report. With the information they had, they were all quite certain this was personal. I do believe the Dateline episode was a serious attempt by investigators to gain valuable insight and solve the crime.

If we look at typical gangland murders in British Columbia around the same time—conflicts where the motive was related to the drug trade—most victims were executed by gunshot. Cases where victims were used to make an example of may have included more violence, but it's still strange that Lindsay was set up to be murdered in an empty home. Which brings us back to the real estate connection.

I believe the home on De Sousa was chosen in advance for reasons known only to the killer(s). According to documents obtained by Capital Daily, Lindsay was given a list of specific criteria for their supposed million-dollar home. The woman told Lindsay they needed a separate area for their housekeeper.

The home was the first one on Lindsay's list that she sent the woman. This to me suggests some familiarity with real estate and local listings, as well as the newly developed area the home was in. A setup where the offenders were more than likely comfortable with vacant homes, knew when witnesses would be scarce, and possibly even knew Lindsay's schedule and approach to showing clients houses.

 

[kenziekane]

Typically "overkill" murders with stabbing as the primary method are deeply personal. In cases where the victim wasn't known to the offender, they're almost always linked to sadosexual offenders.

I can't be certain, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Dateline panel had access to information never released to the public, such as Lindsay's autopsy report. With the information they had, they were all quite certain this was personal. I do believe the Dateline episode was a serious attempt by investigators to gain valuable insight and solve the crime.

If we look at typical gangland murders in British Columbia around the same time—conflicts where the motive was related to the drug trade—most victims were executed by gunshot. Cases where victims were used to make an example of may have included more violence, but it's still strange that Lindsay was set up to be murdered in an empty home. Which brings us back to the real estate connection.

I believe the home on De Sousa was chosen in advance for reasons known only to the killer(s). According to documents obtained by Capital Daily, Lindsay was given a list of specific criteria for their supposed million-dollar home. The woman told Lindsay they needed a separate area for their housekeeper.

The home was the first one on Lindsay's list that she sent the woman. This to me suggests some familiarity with real estate and local listings, as well as the newly developed area the home was in. A setup where the offenders were more than likely comfortable with vacant homes, knew when witnesses would be scarce, and possibly even knew Lindsay's schedule and approach to showing clients houses.

It's very confusing isn't it. Dateline experts believe Lindsay's murder was very personal and planned by someone very close to her. Yet the Saanich Police chose not to believe the Dateline theory and continued to run with the drug theory. They didn't want to take the advice of the experts and that never made any sense to me.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

I often hear people say that a murder was "personal" because of a high level of violence. However, there are some people who are just very violent and when their adrenaline is flowing they use a high level of violence. Some stabbers keep stabbing until they are sure the person is dead. There are also some very personal murders where there is not such a high level of violence.

It is likely that the people who actually wielded the knife/knives against Lindsay had never met her before, since she would have recognised them otherwise. They were assassins doing a task given to them. Nothing personal to them, they were just hired hands. (Possibly they stood to lose out if Lindsay were to interfere with some scam in which they were involved, but nevertheless they had never met her before.)