CANADA Canada - Lindsay Buziak, 24, Victoria, BC, 2 Feb 2008

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Anyone who is capable of doing what that fraudster Ponzi-scheme guy Greg Martel did, is capable of just about anything. As he was very close friends with Jason Zailo at the time of Lindsay's murder, I have to wonder if he may have been part of the overall plan to murder Lindsay. Just what were those two up to in mid to late November 2007 when Lindsay said she saw something she shouldn't have seen. Could it have had something to do with Jason & Greg? And maybe even the other guy they worked with Cohen Oatman? There is something very suspicious about these three, I just can't put my finger on it.
Money Laundering? Drug connections? Does it all tie together somehow? I read the articles about GM, but it’s not clear what his activity was in 2007/early 2008 that may have tied into this. Can someone connect the dots here..?
 
  • #742
Money Laundering? Drug connections? Does it all tie together somehow? I read the articles about GM, but it’s not clear what his activity was in 2007/early 2008 that may have tied into this. Can someone connect the dots here..?
In January 2007 Greg Martel started as a mortgage broker at Terry Martin's Mortgage Centre at the Royal Oak Shopping Centre. October 2007 Jason Zailo & Cohen Oatman joined the same office. All three were friends and played hockey together. In 2008, Greg Martel moved on to a Dominion Lending office & Jason & Cohen followed. Jason Zailo was involved with a number of drug dealers at the time. Jason Zailo & Greg Martel both opened their own individual Dominion Lending franchise in 2009/2010
 
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IMO, that entirely depends on whether the person trusts or distrusts the Saanich police

I think the police theory is well known, but never directly stated, and people realize they don't have enough proof, and the perps are not even in the country.

Then there are the people, beginning with Jeff Buziak, who believe Saanich police are utterly incompetent and they know far more than police do.

JMO
 
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Baffling case. I highly doubt it was the work of cartels. They usually kill in cold blood (with bullets) anywhere, or when you're coming/going from work at your front door, when you're out and about, walking the dog, etc. They don't have this level of planning. It was someone very, very close to her or connected to someone close to her.
 
  • #746
I think it was a well-planned thrill kill and will never be solved. MOO.
 
  • #747
Sadly, I believe it was drug related. The Shirley/Jason “angle” just never fell into place with how meticulous the planning was-even if the murder was sloppy. The killers covered their tracks extremely well, and even with Jason and a friend being at the house during the murder they managed to get out of the area unseen. I just don’t see Shirley or Jason putting their business and freedom in jeopardy by having someone murdered. I would also think there would have been a money trail there if they did and I don’t recall any mention of that. Also, not seeing a motive, they may not have been doing well as a couple but they clearly were still together. Not sure what motive Shirley would have either.

If not a mistaken revenge kill for someone getting locked up then I am more inclined to think it was a thrill kill. Perhaps someone(s) wanted to try and plan the perfect murder and see if they could get away with it.
 
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Baffling case. I highly doubt it was the work of cartels. They usually kill in cold blood (with bullets) anywhere, or when you're coming/going from work at your front door, when you're out and about, walking the dog, etc. They don't have this level of planning. It was someone very, very close to her or connected to someone close to her.
I agree.

To add to this - I was watching a true crime show on the weekend about another crime where they threw in a mob/organized crime angle and an investigator was being interviewed.

The investigator said something along the lines of "if organized crime want you gone, you usually just disappear. Poof, you're gone. No body, you disappear. They don't come to your house or where you frequent and leave a mess".

I believe this and also do not think cartel at all for Lindsay.
 
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I agree.

To add to this - I was watching a true crime show on the weekend about another crime where they threw in a mob/organized crime angle and an investigator was being interviewed.

The investigator said something along the lines of "if organized crime want you gone, you usually just disappear. Poof, you're gone. No body, you disappear. They don't come to your house or where you frequent and leave a mess".

I believe this and also do not think cartel at all for Lindsay.
Cartels are different from the mob, though. They can be flashy to say the least.


That said, it seems more likely it’s a murder for hire. Tailor made.

IMHOO
 
  • #753
Cartels are different from the mob, though. They can be flashy to say the least.


That said, it seems more likely it’s a murder for hire. Tailor made.

IMHOO

Cartels in Mexico, yeah. Cartel members who are stationed here move way more covertly.

The killer(s) would love the police — and the public — to believe that this was a drug hit. That’s why, IMO, they did it to coincide with the Calgary drug bust.

It was the perfect diversion.
 
  • #754
Cartels in Mexico, yeah. Cartel members who are stationed here move way more covertly.

The killer(s) would love the police — and the public — to believe that this was a drug hit. That’s why, IMO, they did it to coincide with the Calgary drug bust.

It was the perfect diversion.
Sounds a bit advanced, but sure.
 
  • #755
I agree.

To add to this - I was watching a true crime show on the weekend about another crime where they threw in a mob/organized crime angle and an investigator was being interviewed.

The investigator said something along the lines of "if organized crime want you gone, you usually just disappear. Poof, you're gone. No body, you disappear. They don't come to your house or where you frequent and leave a mess".

I believe this and also do not think cartel at all for Lindsay.
You couln'd have said it better Lalalacasbah. If organized crime wanted Lindsay dead they would have put a bullet in her head in a secluded location, or dropped her in the ocean never to be found. It's almost as if whoever planned Lindsay's murder was seeking attention or at least sending a very powerful message.
 
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Well, wouldn’t it be simpler ways of doing this? A drive by, stray bullet, falling down stairs…something mundane. Who would feel that making a show of it was worth their while?

If it’s a distraction it came at a high price. Not the best advertisement for the firm. If their business was indeed selling property.
 
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The thing is, only people close enough to major players—or trusted associates on the periphery—would have access to the information needed to facilitate a drug bust of this magnitude. Knowledge of shipment dates, suppliers, stash house locations—these are closely guarded secrets. Nobody wants to be responsible for losing millions in product. Everyone involved is taking extreme risk for what they see as greater reward: fast money and lots of it.

When people theorized Lindsay was "the rat," I kept thinking: Lindsay may have partied with guys in that scene, but she wasn't involved in large-scale distribution. No matter how friendly or attractive a woman is, guys in that business keep things close to their vests.

Maybe it wasn't a complete insider who contacted the police in late 2007—maybe somebody on the periphery, someone a key player trusted. I find it hard to believe it was a random person, though, because the consequences for spreading this information aren't pretty. People at that level of trafficking have a code and violations aren't forgiven. Ever. Unless you join witness protection, and even then... it's not something I'd risk.

So maybe the person who tipped off police had their own protection—a network of people who would literally kill for them. That would explain why they weren't as worried as the average civilian would be about retaliation. I don't believe anyone deeply involved in the drug operation would have suspected Lindsay had the necessary knowledge to be an informant. They would have looked to those around her instead, because she wouldn't have been given that level of information unless it was a setup to begin with. Even if she'd been put in a situation where somebody was stupid enough to show her a brick of cocaine, why would she report it to police? What would it benefit her?

That's why I think whoever tipped off police benefitted more than they stood to lose. You're risking your life at that point. What was more important to that person than the possibility of being exposed? Maybe they knew they'd be exposed anyway for some other operation—one just as criminal.

The phone used to contact Lindsay was purchased in late 2007. Operation High Noon began in December 2007, and resulted in Alberta's largest cocaine bust—14 arrests and 80 kilograms seized, worth $8 million. The organization transported product from BC to Alberta using vehicles with professionally engineered hidden compartments, not simple DIY jobs. This wasn't some street-level operation.

The timing is striking: the burner phone was purchased around the same time that Operation High Noon began. The arrests happened January 22, 2008. If Lindsay had been the informant, no one would've known until after those arrests. But her murder was likely already being planned when that phone was purchased—before anyone was arrested.

I think the phone was bought for one purpose: to set up Lindsay Buziak. Once the bust succeeded and the key players were in jail, the murder was executed according to plan. Someone orchestrated this carefully—timing the murder to coincide with the investigation timeline, creating a plausible motive that would send police down the wrong path. It's actually a sophisticated plot, which may be why it remains unsolved. The best way to evade capture? Create confusion. Give investigators multiple theories to chase. And maintain omertà—a code of silence—no matter what.
Please share. #Lindsaybuziakitstime
 
  • #760
RSBM and BBM above ^ are you meaning a CI (confidential informant) working with police or a confidential informed tip by someone anonymous? They are very different things and something I never thought of before... maybe that's why no arrest if even to this dy if there is/was a CI working with police and granted "immunity" for tip offs to catch the big drug fish. Maybe even still a CI working with police currently...Far fetched possibly though, especially to protect a CI from such a heinous crime.


Would it be possible she attempted to speak with him to seek protection for herself about someone else she was more scared of? Or even seek advice from about what to do? If she couldn't trust her inner circle and those she was closest to for protection, who better than to seek out? Not to sound sexist, but as a woman - maybe she thought this person might have some sort of weird honor code to protect women.

Or maybe Lindsey felt inclined to tip the person not about drugs but about violence. If Lindsay overheard a plan for a murder of someone else and fundamentally was opposed to murder (dealing drugs is one thing but murder is another level) and tried to warn the person because she had morals and didn't want to see anyone die.

This was incredibly risky for Lindsay... why? I think either to save herself and get herself protected or felt she was saving someone else. I don't think she'd go to those lengths to warn someone of a drug bust (maybe) but if someone was going to die, maybe...
#Lindsaybuziakitstime please listen, share, comment. This is my cousin. It's time
 

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