CANADA Canada - Lindsay Buziak, 24, Victoria, BC, 2 Feb 2008

  • #701
Regarding the term Nightfall─as a writer myself, I think it was probably just a word choice from whoever wrote the article. Sometimes you come up with a synonym that adds a bit of dramatic flair. Or you're trying not to plagiarize, so you have to put it "in your own words."
 
  • #702
RSBM and BBM above ^ are you meaning a CI (confidential informant) working with police or a confidential informed tip by someone anonymous? They are very different things and something I never thought of before... maybe that's why no arrest if even to this dy if there is/was a CI working with police and granted "immunity" for tip offs to catch the big drug fish. Maybe even still a CI working with police currently...Far fetched possibly though, especially to protect a CI from such a heinous crime.


Would it be possible she attempted to speak with him to seek protection for herself about someone else she was more scared of? Or even seek advice from about what to do? If she couldn't trust her inner circle and those she was closest to for protection, who better than to seek out? Not to sound sexist, but as a woman - maybe she thought this person might have some sort of weird honor code to protect women.

Or maybe Lindsey felt inclined to tip the person not about drugs but about violence. If Lindsay overheard a plan for a murder of someone else and fundamentally was opposed to murder (dealing drugs is one thing but murder is another level) and tried to warn the person because she had morals and didn't want to see anyone die.

This was incredibly risky for Lindsay... why? I think either to save herself and get herself protected or felt she was saving someone else. I don't think she'd go to those lengths to warn someone of a drug bust (maybe) but if someone was going to die, maybe...
The thing is, only people close enough to major players—or trusted associates on the periphery—would have access to the information needed to facilitate a drug bust of this magnitude. Knowledge of shipment dates, suppliers, stash house locations—these are closely guarded secrets. Nobody wants to be responsible for losing millions in product. Everyone involved is taking extreme risk for what they see as greater reward: fast money and lots of it.

When people theorized Lindsay was "the rat," I kept thinking: Lindsay may have partied with guys in that scene, but she wasn't involved in large-scale distribution. No matter how friendly or attractive a woman is, guys in that business keep things close to their vests.

Maybe it wasn't a complete insider who contacted the police in late 2007—maybe somebody on the periphery, someone a key player trusted. I find it hard to believe it was a random person, though, because the consequences for spreading this information aren't pretty. People at that level of trafficking have a code and violations aren't forgiven. Ever. Unless you join witness protection, and even then... it's not something I'd risk.

So maybe the person who tipped off police had their own protection—a network of people who would literally kill for them. That would explain why they weren't as worried as the average civilian would be about retaliation. I don't believe anyone deeply involved in the drug operation would have suspected Lindsay had the necessary knowledge to be an informant. They would have looked to those around her instead, because she wouldn't have been given that level of information unless it was a setup to begin with. Even if she'd been put in a situation where somebody was stupid enough to show her a brick of cocaine, why would she report it to police? What would it benefit her?

That's why I think whoever tipped off police benefitted more than they stood to lose. You're risking your life at that point. What was more important to that person than the possibility of being exposed? Maybe they knew they'd be exposed anyway for some other operation—one just as criminal.

The phone used to contact Lindsay was purchased in late 2007. Operation High Noon began in December 2007, and resulted in Alberta's largest cocaine bust—14 arrests and 80 kilograms seized, worth $8 million. The organization transported product from BC to Alberta using vehicles with professionally engineered hidden compartments, not simple DIY jobs. This wasn't some street-level operation.

The timing is striking: the burner phone was purchased around the same time that Operation High Noon began. The arrests happened January 22, 2008. If Lindsay had been the informant, no one would've known until after those arrests. But her murder was likely already being planned when that phone was purchased—before anyone was arrested.

I think the phone was bought for one purpose: to set up Lindsay Buziak. Once the bust succeeded and the key players were in jail, the murder was executed according to plan. Someone orchestrated this carefully—timing the murder to coincide with the investigation timeline, creating a plausible motive that would send police down the wrong path. It's actually a sophisticated plot, which may be why it remains unsolved. The best way to evade capture? Create confusion. Give investigators multiple theories to chase. And maintain omertà—a code of silence—no matter what.
 
  • #703
So well described Danaya, and I couldn't agree with you more. I've always believed that Lindsay's murder was being planned in the last few months of 2007, and that her murder was not a "result" of the Calgary Drug Bust. The conspirators had her murdered, then used the Calgary Drug Bust as a deception, allowing the Saanich Police to take their investigation in that direction. There is no way Lindsay's murder could have been planned in such detail in the few short days after the Calgary Bust went down. This was in the works long before that ever happened.
 
  • #704
The timing is striking: the burner phone was purchased around the same time that Operation High Noon began. The arrests happened January 22, 2008. If Lindsay had been the informant, no one would've known until after those arrests. But her murder was likely already being planned when that phone was purchased—before anyone was arrested.
RSBM/BBM above: Aha so the conspirators weren't that smart - they messed up right there. I snipped so this stood out to others reading this thread. That's a bit of the smoking gun if there is one in this case. Did Saanich police not connect those dots? Still not evidence needed to arrest I get - but the MO is more clear.

I think the phone was bought for one purpose: to set up Lindsay Buziak. Once the bust succeeded and the key players were in jail, the murder was executed according to plan. Someone orchestrated this carefully—timing the murder to coincide with the investigation timeline, creating a plausible motive that would send police down the wrong path. It's actually a sophisticated plot, which may be why it remains unsolved. The best way to evade capture? Create confusion. Give investigators multiple theories to chase. And maintain omertà—a code of silence—no matter what.
A sophisticated plan that seems a woman planned. Just has that woman's touch with all the details. JMO MOO
 
  • #705
There’s also the possibility that the Facebook activity from Lindsay’s account—detailed in the Capital Daily article—wasn’t hers at all. One of the biggest pieces of evidence connecting Lindsay to the Calgary drug bust was a phone call allegedly made from her phone in December 2007. The call was to a relative of someone who would later be charged in the January 2008 bust.

Police also discovered that Lindsay’s Facebook account had been used to visit that person’s page. Lead investigator Sgt. Chris Horsley did an interview with Crime Watch Daily and is quoted by the Capital Daily as saying, “We don’t know the nature of the call. We don’t know why she called him. We don’t know why she was on his Facebook site.”

Here’s the thing—there’s no record of Lindsay actually talking to anyone. They only know a call was made. So it’s entirely possible that someone else made that call. Someone who already had the plan in motion and was deliberately leaving breadcrumbs for police to find. That person could’ve grabbed Lindsay’s phone when she wasn’t around and made the call themselves.

Same goes for the Facebook activity—someone close to Lindsay could have logged into her account when she stepped away or forgot to log out. They could’ve visited that person’s page knowing full well that police would eventually get a search warrant for her online activity. Whoever did this was calculating every move.

(JMO, IMO)
 
  • #706
Good point, IIRC in the murder of Shannon Burgess (by her husband) in Calgary, Alberta... I believe he got into her Facebook after he killerd her to make her look 'active' (alive).

If on a cell phone and the 'auto sign in' was on, anyone could go on said Facebook account and do whatever.
 
  • #707
There’s also the possibility that the Facebook activity from Lindsay’s account—detailed in the Capital Daily article—wasn’t hers at all. One of the biggest pieces of evidence connecting Lindsay to the Calgary drug bust was a phone call allegedly made from her phone in December 2007. The call was to a relative of someone who would later be charged in the January 2008 bust.

Police also discovered that Lindsay’s Facebook account had been used to visit that person’s page. Lead investigator Sgt. Chris Horsley did an interview with Crime Watch Daily and is quoted by the Capital Daily as saying, “We don’t know the nature of the call. We don’t know why she called him. We don’t know why she was on his Facebook site.”

Here’s the thing—there’s no record of Lindsay actually talking to anyone. They only know a call was made. So it’s entirely possible that someone else made that call. Someone who already had the plan in motion and was deliberately leaving breadcrumbs for police to find. That person could’ve grabbed Lindsay’s phone when she wasn’t around and made the call themselves.

Same goes for the Facebook activity—someone close to Lindsay could have logged into her account when she stepped away or forgot to log out. They could’ve visited that person’s page knowing full well that police would eventually get a search warrant for her online activity. Whoever did this was calculating every move.

(JMO, IMO)
You make some very good points because from what I know Lindsay reached out to that person after she returned to Victoria from Calgary in December 2007. So of course, Lindsay may not have been the one who was making that call. It could have been Jason who she was living with.
 
  • #708
Good point, IIRC in the murder of Shannon Burgess (by her husband) in Calgary, Alberta... I believe he got into her Facebook after he killerd her to make her look 'active' (alive).

If on a cell phone and the 'auto sign in' was on, anyone could go on said Facebook account and do whatever.
Yeah, exactly and I think that Lindsay probably used her laptop to access Facebook. Smartphones weren’t what they are now. If Lindsay shared her laptop password with somebody then it would’ve been easy.
 
  • #709
This is an article about 2 guys who agreed to transport drugs from Panama to the island on their boat (seems linked to HA). They got spooked in the water when seeing a US customs boat or something and dumped the cargo but kept some for themselves. When they got to shore they were executed by whoever hired them.

I posted the article because there are 2-3 other examples of drug transports/busts that happened.

It seems lots of these guys busted for drugs don't even get charged, the charges get stayed or released after not doing much time (in the article anyways - other cases mentioned not the 2 guys dumped in Ucluelet).

So why weren't they executed when they messed up with those hauls and cargo? They weren't. Why?

I think because murder is a HUGE charge - more time in jail, a life sentence. Too risky to mess around with murder.

Where as being busted with drugs and getting a charge isn't half bad when half the time no one barely seems to do time and if they do, it's 1 person doing the time for the whole operation!

HA was the only one that executed the 2 guys I think because the guys tried to rip them off or keep some for themselves.

The article mentions a few other BIG busts - not a lot of jail time and none of those guys who messed up were killed like Lindsay was.
So I don't think Lindsay was killed because of the drug bust either. These other drug transporters didn't get killed and someone probably ratted them out to get busted too. JMO MOO

 
  • #710
Danaya if you do generate a visual of that timeline ,I'd love to see what it looks like
 
  • #711
Sorry to be vague there, I was referring to Rianne Gracia. And I dont know that they were best friends so I might not be 100 percent accurate there but definitely office friends. When you say JP were you referring to Parsons? We're they friends?
IMO, Rianne was another innocent victim of the conspirators who planned Lindsay's murder. She was Lindsay's best friend, and never would have done anything to put Lindsay's life in danger.
 
  • #712
IMO, Rianne was another innocent victim of the conspirators who planned Lindsay's murder. She was Lindsay's best friend, and never would have done anything to put Lindsay's life in danger.
That is what I perceive as well. My point in bringing her up was that Lindsay was by 1 degree of separation ( in this case Rianne was the 1 degree between Lindsay and Ovidio) connected to such shady people that there are so many possible angles to consider
 
  • #713
Thought of something today...

If it's thought the drug bust happened/was set up to make Lindsay's murder look like 'retaliation' or a 'snitch hit' and connected and used as a false motive, the murderers would have done a cartel or drug style execution to align with that world.

That's what's done in the movies, historically in BC (gangs do shootouts or executions not stabbing) and likely in real life (like the 2 guys in Ucluelet thought to be executed by HA and any other gang related crime usually).

The way the murder was done doesn't align with typical drug snitch payback to steer police to that motive. So it goes sideways a bit there for me (just today after thinking about it!)

That again, could be another screw up from the masterminds. JMO MOO
 
  • #714
There’s also the possibility that the Facebook activity from Lindsay’s account—detailed in the Capital Daily article—wasn’t hers at all. One of the biggest pieces of evidence connecting Lindsay to the Calgary drug bust was a phone call allegedly made from her phone in December 2007. The call was to a relative of someone who would later be charged in the January 2008 bust.

Police also discovered that Lindsay’s Facebook account had been used to visit that person’s page. Lead investigator Sgt. Chris Horsley did an interview with Crime Watch Daily and is quoted by the Capital Daily as saying, “We don’t know the nature of the call. We don’t know why she called him. We don’t know why she was on his Facebook site.”

Here’s the thing—there’s no record of Lindsay actually talking to anyone. They only know a call was made. So it’s entirely possible that someone else made that call. Someone who already had the plan in motion and was deliberately leaving breadcrumbs for police to find. That person could’ve grabbed Lindsay’s phone when she wasn’t around and made the call themselves.

Same goes for the Facebook activity—someone close to Lindsay could have logged into her account when she stepped away or forgot to log out. They could’ve visited that person’s page knowing full well that police would eventually get a search warrant for her online activity. Whoever did this was calculating every move.

(JMO, IMO)
I agree that someone else could have made that call on Lindsay's phone but what about Lindsay messaging this person through facebook. I guess the person could have deleted the message after sending it, and police were still able to get the message through the deleted files.
 
  • #715
Lindsay’s murder appears to be “targeted”; someone wanted her, specifically, dead. Yet, on paper, she is a very low risk victim. The one area of “risk” in her life was association with some people in the Drug Trade. While I would take any law Enforcement claim that she had no known involvement in the business with “a grain of salt”, there are no obvious indications that she she might have had enough “involvement” to have even been suspected of being the informant who enabled the Calgary bust. Who knows; there may be a lot we do not know but the idea that Lindsay was some sort of “patsy” that local operators had killed to convince the Cartel honchos “back home” that the “leak” had been “taken care of” is absurd. I am inclined to suspect that her death was unrelated to Drug Trafficking and her connections to the Business has been a “red herring”.
 
  • #716
Lindsay’s murder appears to be “targeted”; someone wanted her, specifically, dead. Yet, on paper, she is a very low risk victim. The one area of “risk” in her life was association with some people in the Drug Trade. While I would take any law Enforcement claim that she had no known involvement in the business with “a grain of salt”, there are no obvious indications that she she might have had enough “involvement” to have even been suspected of being the informant who enabled the Calgary bust. Who knows; there may be a lot we do not know but the idea that Lindsay was some sort of “patsy” that local operators had killed to convince the Cartel honchos “back home” that the “leak” had been “taken care of” is absurd. I am inclined to suspect that her death was unrelated to Drug Trafficking and her connections to the Business has been a “red herring”.
I couldn’t agree more.
 
  • #717
Thought of something today...

If it's thought the drug bust happened/was set up to make Lindsay's murder look like 'retaliation' or a 'snitch hit' and connected and used as a false motive, the murderers would have done a cartel or drug style execution to align with that world.

That's what's done in the movies, historically in BC (gangs do shootouts or executions not stabbing) and likely in real life (like the 2 guys in Ucluelet thought to be executed by HA and any other gang related crime usually).

The way the murder was done doesn't align with typical drug snitch payback to steer police to that motive. So it goes sideways a bit there for me (just today after thinking about it!)

That again, could be another screw up from the masterminds. JMO MOO
That was one of my thoughts as I was running the theory through my head. I think the murder weapon may have been an attempt to confuse investigators. I think the entire scene was probably staged.
 
  • #718
Lindsay’s murder appears to be “targeted”; someone wanted her, specifically, dead. Yet, on paper, she is a very low risk victim. The one area of “risk” in her life was association with some people in the Drug Trade. While I would take any law Enforcement claim that she had no known involvement in the business with “a grain of salt”, there are no obvious indications that she she might have had enough “involvement” to have even been suspected of being the informant who enabled the Calgary bust. Who knows; there may be a lot we do not know but the idea that Lindsay was some sort of “patsy” that local operators had killed to convince the Cartel honchos “back home” that the “leak” had been “taken care of” is absurd. I am inclined to suspect that her death was unrelated to Drug Trafficking and her connections to the Business has been a “red herring”.
Red herring! Perfect way to describe that thought.
 
  • #719
I couldn’t agree more.
From the day Lindsay was murdered the Saanich Police chased that theory. Here we are 18 years later and they've made no arrests. This is truly indicative that they were going down the wrong road. The conspirators are local, the cops know who they are, but they don't have enough to make arrests. IMO that speaks volumes to their incompetence.
 
  • #720
That was one of my thoughts as I was running the theory through my head. I think the murder weapon may have been an attempt to confuse investigators. I think the entire scene was probably staged.
The Dateline experts have all said that the scene was staged, and the plan artfully designed. It has all the markings of a woman who planned the murder.
 

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