CANADA Canada - Lindsay Buziak, 24, Victoria, BC, 2 Feb 2008

[Danaya]

So why bring along Cohen to tag beside JZ? That is so so risky if things went sideways.

CO and JZ were working together as mortgage brokers, in the same office, as of November, 2007.

Maybe doing everything together was something they were both accustomed to.

 

[Danaya]

Another thing that's bugging me... I sure wish we had a BC realtor on this thread for some insight into how things work.

There is a person who knows a lot about BC real estate, who runs a website dedicated to this case. I have told them about this thread before and they read it occasionally. Maybe they'll chime in.

 

[kenziekane]

Another thing that's bugging me... I sure wish we had a BC realtor on this thread for some insight into how things work.

The house was first listed in November 2007 with Re/Max Camosun - then went off market then relisted again January 2008 with same female realtor. Police must have looked at who was in and out of that house from the listing time up until the murder.

Is there an online sign in/computer system where all realtors log the showing of houses to clients? So even from different companies to not run into each other at the same time? Two different real estate companies would not want to show the same house to clients at the same time.

When I bought a place and was viewing a potential property, when I was leaving with my realtor another realtor and client were literally walking in however we were not there at the same time. Do realtors know this with eachother from some website or something?

I say this because the killer had to darn well know NO other showings by NO other real estate companies were showing that house at that date and time. No way would they leave that to chance. Lindsay phoned the listing agent to let her know but what about others? Very risky unless someone in real estate was involved to know NO ONE else would be dropping by.

JMO MOO

The locbox on the DeSousa property would have recorded every realtor that entered the home. The Victoria Real Estate Board holds all that information so if the Saanich Police wanted to find out who had accessed that home in the previous month that is where they would go. Also, the listing agent has a code/password and can access the locbox information to see what realtors had been through their listing previously. However, it's always possible that someone could have had the key for 1702 DeSousa Place. It would have been kept in the Re/Max Camosun office, as that is where the 2 listings agents worked. The question is, did the cops even bother to go to the Victoria Real Estate Board to ask for the information. Perhaps they asked the listing agents to give them the list of the people who accessed the home. The realtors were aware that Lindsay would be showing the home that evening. However, they did not notify the owner/builder as the house was vacant, and he likely would be gone from the area by that time. The workers all left at 4:30 pm.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

The Mexican population is mostly derived from a combination of indigenous peoples and white settlers from Spain. Depending on the mysteries of parentage and genetics, individuals are born with a wide range of skin tones. If you hear them speak, you can identify their accent - which Lindsay identified as Mexican. But witnesses did not hear them speak.

So, for example: Arturo Beltran Leyva

True and I understand that, I'm more referring to the theories (and rumours) that a couple certain families/ethnicities were involved in her murder (one female particularly JJ I think from Croatia or has family there who loves hunting and posts hunting pics on FB and the other a drug dealer V and the D family).

So if they were involved or set it up the couple to meet her let's say, I bet my bottom dollar they would recruit people they know and trust from their own families. They wouldn't hire to do that as they were part of the crime and either did it or held her down if someone already in the house.

I know you're local as well and unsure you share the same sentiment as me... But Victoria back then was a fairly "white" old money town and annoyingly so. I noticed that as soon as I moved there! Very limited ethnic restaurants or demographic for that matter. I came from a big multicultural city I wondered "where is everyone"? And I'm caucasian!

It's a very segregated small city. But it's gotten better.

I guess my point is if cartel or the drug dealers V and the D family were involved I feel like they'd use people from their family who share similar physical features (darker skin tone).

Lindsay was suspicious because the accent sounded fake which I think they were on purpose as red herring to Mexican cartel. MOO JMO

 

[Lalalacasbah]

In California, agents contact the listing broker when scheduling a showing so that the occupants will be gone, the house will be in presentable shape and no other showings will be going on. My guess is that is pretty much SOP everywhere. This does present a perfect opportunity for a crime since it would present a safe place where no surprise witnesses might show up. Without security measures that are now in place, a perpetrator who took measures to conceal their identities, would have absolutely no ties to the property. It presents a perfect opportunity for a robbery/rape/murder.

Thanks for this info So does the listing broker make sure two parties aren't there at the same time do you know? And no conflicts?

I remember when I bought my property it was in the insanity real estate boom, it was crazy. You had to call for a viewing the minute an email came in hot from being listed. Get there within an hour or two to view it. And basically be signing to buy within a 3 hour time span. It was a mad scramble when it was a hot market. I was leaving as someone was coming in to view a place and if I hadn't signed the papers the other client was literally 10 minutes behind me ready to as well!

However, the year Lindsay was murdered I don't think it was a hot market and maybe no overlap... I wish I could find out what the market was like at that time. It's likely been reported somewhere thought.

I still think risky no guarantee someone could walk by, that area is not very quiet.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Also, by scheduling the showing for late afternoon/dinner time, guaranteed no one would be doing a later showing.

I think it depends if a hot market or not at that time. I had to race after work to view a place (after 5pm) and was signing the papers to buy at a coffee shop at around 7pm! I'm trying to remember what year that was.... Maybe Spring 2009?

I don't think it was the insane hot market when Linsday was killed though, I can't remember when the insane market started...if before in 2008...

 

[Lalalacasbah]

CO and JZ were working together as mortgage brokers, in the same office, as of November, 2007.

Maybe doing everything together was something they were both accustomed to.

But let's say if JZ was part of the plan or knew the plan, he could've shook off CO to not be with him.

I think CO was planted there on purpose but that was a huge risk IMO

 

[Lalalacasbah]

There is a person who knows a lot about BC real estate, who runs a website dedicated to this case. I have told them about this thread before and they read it occasionally. Maybe they'll chime in.

I think I know the site you mean There's Jeff and another super detailed one but I haven't even read through it all (yet)!

I would love if they'd come on here. I have to read it when I have time though - they did an amazing job if it's the same site.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

The locbox on the DeSousa property would have recorded every realtor that entered the home. The Victoria Real Estate Board holds all that information so if the Saanich Police wanted to find out who had accessed that home in the previous month that is where they would go. Also, the listing agent has a code/password and can access the locbox information to see what realtors had been through their listing previously. However, it's always possible that someone could have had the key for 1702 DeSousa Place. It would have been kept in the Re/Max Camosun office, as that is where the 2 listings agents worked. The question is, did the cops even bother to go to the Victoria Real Estate Board to ask for the information. Perhaps they asked the listing agents to give them the list of the people who accessed the home. The realtors were aware that Lindsay would be showing the home that evening. However, they did not notify the owner/builder as the house was vacant, and he likely would be gone from the area by that time. The workers all left at 4:30 pm.

Thank you, good stuff. I wonder if there's a way a realtor could skip around the red tape and access the home undetected?

I'm not sure I get it, but hypothetically... if the listing agent has the code/password could they give it to a friend or average joe and that person can get in the house?

That would be an important piece of the puzzle - if there were 2 people (the couple) or a 3rd (already in the house) that did this. The only way a 3rd person could be up there waiting is if they were given the code/PW. Saanich police MUST know if there were 1, 2 or 3 attackers or people in that room. At least I think they would....

But then it also sounds like the owner/builder and workers had access and key as well.....

 

[Professor Moriarty]

Thank you, good stuff. I wonder if there's a way a realtor could skip around the red tape and access the home undetected?

I'm not sure I get it, but hypothetically... if the listing agent has the code/password could they give it to a friend or average joe and that person can get in the house?

That would be an important piece of the puzzle - if there were 2 people (the couple) or a 3rd (already in the house) that did this. The only way a 3rd person could be up there waiting is if they were given the code/PW. Saanich police MUST know if there were 1, 2 or 3 attackers or people in that room. At least I think they would....

But then it also sounds like the owner/builder and workers had access and key as well.....

Keys can be copied.

 

[weknowyouknow]

True and I understand that, I'm more referring to the theories (and rumours) that a couple certain families/ethnicities were involved in her murder (one female particularly JJ I think from Croatia or has family there who loves hunting and posts hunting pics on FB and the other a drug dealer V and the D family).

So if they were involved or set it up the couple to meet her let's say, I bet my bottom dollar they would recruit people they know and trust from their own families. They wouldn't hire to do that as they were part of the crime and either did it or held her down if someone already in the house.

I know you're local as well and unsure you share the same sentiment as me... But Victoria back then was a fairly "white" old money town and annoyingly so. I noticed that as soon as I moved there! Very limited ethnic restaurants or demographic for that matter. I came from a big multicultural city I wondered "where is everyone"? And I'm caucasian!

It's a very segregated small city. But it's gotten better.

I guess my point is if cartel or the drug dealers V and the D family were involved I feel like they'd use people from their family who share similar physical features (darker skin tone).

Lindsay was suspicious because the accent sounded fake which I think they were on purpose as red herring to Mexican cartel.

But let's say if JZ was part of the plan or knew the plan, he could've shook off CO to not be with him.

I think CO was planted there on purpose but that was a huge risk IMO

Possibly! And with everything coming to light about Greg Martel (also thinking back to that old photo of Jason, Greg and Lindsay) I think we all need to revisit some theories that may tie in Greg. Are there any family members or friends who could attest to how Lindsay felt about Greg? Did she like him, dislike him? Also anyone that knew Greg, did he come across as sneaky or sleazy? Was this a general consensus about him or was everyone completely shocked when the news came out about him? I will literally never stop searching for answers on this case.

 

[weknowyouknow]

Wow! That YouTuber has picked up on some details I've never noticed before, like the ensuite bathroom window, and two possible lookout points. OK, maybe someone else was in the house after all.

Watching as JZ does his initial walk through with police... something about it doesn't feel genuine. JMO

JZ mimicks his hand as though he's turning a doorknob, when there's only what looks like a push down lever handle. That's very strange, coupled with his shouting Lindsay! 3X in rapid fire succession like that.

Thats incorrect, he doesn't mimick his hand as if hes turning a door knob, he is still describing Cohen unlocking the door frkm the otherside. So his hand is actually mimicking Cohen unlocking the door.

 

[kenziekane]

Thats incorrect, he doesn't mimick his hand as if hes turning a door knob, he is still describing Cohen unlocking the door frkm the otherside. So his hand is actually mimicking Cohen unlocking the door

 

[kenziekane]

Agreed, Jason is referring to Cohen opening the door. The podcaster is just trying to point out how Jason is putting so much emphasis on a door handle by using his hand to make a knob turn. It really wasn't necessary, just like there was no need for Jason to run into the house yelling Lindsay, Lindsay, Lindsay. What I take from this video is that there is a strong possibility that this is not the first time Jason has been in this Desousa house. It's also possible that the floor plans for the Desousa house were in the file in the Re/Max office, thereby giving any realtor access if so desired.

 

[kenziekane]

Thank you, good stuff. I wonder if there's a way a realtor could skip around the red tape and access the home undetected?

I'm not sure I get it, but hypothetically... if the listing agent has the code/password could they give it to a friend or average joe and that person can get in the house?

That would be an important piece of the puzzle - if there were 2 people (the couple) or a 3rd (already in the house) that did this. The only way a 3rd person could be up there waiting is if they were given the code/PW. Saanich police MUST know if there were 1, 2 or 3 attackers or people in that room. At least I think they would....

But then it also sounds like the owner/builder and workers had access and key as well.....

The listing agent needs their personal access card to put into the locbox prior to putting in the code. There is only one card issued to an agent so it could not be shared with a friend.

 

[kenziekane]

The listing agent needs their personal access card to put into the locbox prior to putting in the code. There is only one card issued to an agent so it could not be shared with a friend. Of course, someone in the Re/Max office could have had keys to the property cut and given to a friend.

 

[weknowyouknow]

Agreed, Jason is referring to Cohen opening the door. The podcaster is just trying to point out how Jason is putting so much emphasis on a door handle by using his hand to make a knob turn. It really wasn't necessary, just like there was no need for Jason to run into the house yelling Lindsay, Lindsay, Lindsay. What I take from this video is that there is a strong possibility that this is not the first time Jason has been in this Desousa house. It's also possible that the floor plans for the Desousa house were in the file in the Re/Max office, thereby giving any realtor access if so desired.

Well considering it was listed at the remax office ran by his mother, and also that the owner of the home was friends with the mothers boyfriend at the time. Its 100 percent possible.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Keys can be copied.

I didn't think the real estate ones could be? Can they be? Anyone know for sure? I sure don't lol

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Possibly! And with everything coming to light about Greg Martel (also thinking back to that old photo of Jason, Greg and Lindsay) I think we all need to revisit some theories that may tie in Greg. Are there any family members or friends who could attest to how Lindsay felt about Greg? Did she like him, dislike him? Also anyone that knew Greg, did he come across as sneaky or sleazy? Was this a general consensus about him or was everyone completely shocked when the news came out about him? I will literally never stop searching for answers on this case.

Bingo. I am highly suspicious of GM being tied in some way as well and this could be a white collar murder crime.

I do think he had a rep for being sleazy, I mean he ripped people off of millions so in my books he's sleazy!

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Thats incorrect, he doesn't mimick his hand as if hes turning a door knob, he is still describing Cohen unlocking the door frkm the otherside. So his hand is actually mimicking Cohen unlocking the door.

Hhmmm good observation. I'm torn on that one!