CANADA - Lucas Fowler, Australian & g/f Chynna Deese, American, murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019

[afitzy]

Blue 1986 Chevrolet mentioned by RCMP Spokesperson that was found at the scene of the murders. Note per Gray Hughes van in partially located on the road and partially on the road shoulder.

 

[TheSecondLaw]

It will be good to see a timeline of events and witness accounts based on existing info and info to follow. For instance, at what times did SB & CB stop to offer assistance in relation to the times that CH and her husband passed by?

 

[otto]

The video report in this article has audio from the woman that allegedly saw the blue van:
Tourists found dead along B.C.’s Alaska Highway appear to have been shot: NSW police

There is a current trial for a random tourist shooting in Canada. The shooting was on a highway roughly 1300 miles from these Liard murders.

A German man and his family were driving to the mountains when a 17 year old aboriginal man shot him in the head for fun. Eight bullet fragments were removed from the victim's head and he is partially paralyzed.

Canada is not a Shangri-La. Other tourists wander into the North Vancouver wilderness and are never seen again. Some tourists are eaten by bears and then sue the Canadian government for not putting a fence around the wildlife. Other tourists are murdered by Clifford Olsen. Tourists are an easier target in every country.

 

[afitzy]

I have to say, the differing stories made my hinky meter jump a bit.

@Gardenista, I'm not sure that the stories differ as when you listen to the audio in the video from the witness was very clear in her timeline when speaking with globalnews (you can listen to her audio on the video link below).

Tourists found dead along B.C.’s Alaska Highway appear to have been shot: NSW police

Just a guess on my part but Gray Hughes said he was surprised to get the callback from the witness via FB messenger and so wasn't totally prepared for an interview. The woman wasn't as clear about the sequence of events IMO when she spoke with Gray Hughes.

I listened to Hughes story first and thought the woman was driving with her husband. According to the globalnews.ca video, the woman was not driving with her husband but was with 3 other relatives and her husband (driving the couples 2 children) had driven by the blue van and saw the 2 victims 20 min earlier. So, it appears we have 2 witness accounts roughly 20 min apart who both reported seeing the victims alive. The wife mentions not leaving her vehicle to engage with the couple in the blue van but says she contacted RCMP. Its a bit unclear whether her husband left his vehicle to engage with the couple either but he might have rolled down his window and spoken with them but its not clear exactly what he did but it seemed he did have specific information as to why they were waiting on the side of the road.

I will go back and listen to the Hughes call again with the witness as it could have just been an issue of imprecise language usage and Gray not asking the questions due to surprise at getting an immediate callback on FB messenger. MOO

 

[otto]

It sounds like the wife was driving with her relatives and didn't stop 'due to safety concerns, but did call RCMP' and that her husband had driven by 20 min earlier (with the couples 2 children) and said the couple in the blue van didn't indicate they were having any trouble.

Does that mean we should not read too much into the second pass by the wife (and relatives) where they called RCMP?

 

[tarabull]

Tourists found dead along B.C.’s Alaska Highway appear to have been shot: NSW police

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...the area is popular with travellers from around the world.

 

[Strangeworld]

It sounds to me like the husband only saw them once, and the wife saw them once with her relatives.

 

[afitzy]

Does that mean we should not read too much into the second pass by the wife (and relatives) where they called RCMP?

@otto, when you listen to what the wife is saying it is clear that both she and her husband saw the murdered couple sitting by the side of the road in lawn chairs.

The issue IMO seems to be that these sightings of the victims were 20 min apart as husband and wife were driving 2 vehicles.

IMO Witness report sounded credible and clear to me. I was just confused I think because I listened to the recorded phone call the witness had with Gray Hughes where it wasn't clear that the husband and wife weren't driving together but were in fact in 2 separate vehicles and each saw the blue van but 20 min apart.

 

[otto]

the guy above says 1985 i saw 1989 but id hedge the 1985 is probably right it looks quite old

It's a boxy van, almost 70s. It has a distinctive black sun visor on the top of the van.

View attachment 194123 Blue 1986 Chevrolet mentioned by RCMP Spokesperson that was found at the scene of the murders. Note per Gray Hughes van in partially located on the road and partially on the road shoulder.View attachment 194123

The van is more off the road than on the road, stopped because they had engine trouble, perhaps that was the safest way to do it.

 

[afitzy]

It's a boxy van, almost 70s. It has a distinctive black sun visor on the top of the van.


The van is more off the road than on the road, stopped because they had engine trouble, perhaps that was the safest way to do it.

View attachment 194136

Looks like heavy old van so it might have just stopped and could not be moved by the couple so they left it where it stopped.

 

[PingTheRouter]

It's a boxy van, almost 70s. It has a distinctive black sun visor on the top of the van.


The van is more off the road than on the road, stopped because they had engine trouble, perhaps that was the safest way to do it.

View attachment 194136

had a quick look online for 1986 models and they match
so there you go

 

[otto]

It will be good to see a timeline of events and witness accounts based on existing info and info to follow. For instance, at what times did SB & CB stop to offer assistance in relation to the times that CH and her husband passed by?

It sounds like no one actually stopped and spoke to them and there were two very different perceptions of the scene 20 minutes apart. The first perception was that the victims waived along the concerned driver because everything was fine, the second perception is that the situation may not be safe and to call RCMP.

I think one of the times is 3:30, not sure if that's when everything was fine, or worthy of calling RCMP. Without context, the time doesn't mean much. What will help understand the bigger picture is which way (on that road 20km South of Liard Hot Springs) were they headed (N or S?), where had they been?

 

[Strangeworld]

Maybe the wife's reference to not feeling safe enough to pull over is not because of any danger they saw, just a general decision to not pull over with just females in the car?

 

[otto]

@otto, when you listen to what the wife is saying it is clear that both she and her husband saw the murdered couple sitting by the side of the road in lawn chairs.

The issue IMO seems to be that these sightings of the victims were 20 min apart as husband and wife were driving 2 vehicles.

IMO Witness report sounded credible and clear to me. I was just confused I think because I listened to the recorded phone call the witness had with Gray Hughes where it wasn't clear that the husband and wife weren't driving together but were in fact in 2 separate vehicles and each saw the blue van but 20 min apart.

I have not yet listened. I'm trusting you, my friend. My computer is glitchy.

I can imagine that they were traumatized to learn that the couple were shot shortly after they drove by. Even if they had stopped and offered the victims a ride, would they have accepted the ride?

Maybe this couple should be cautious about what they say to crowd-sourced crime sleuthers, as they could become witnesses regarding the timeline.

 

[otto]

had a quick look online for 1986 models and they match
so there you go

Can we find out if any were registered in Alberta in the last 6 months : Fort McMurray, Edmonton, Red Deer, Calgary, Lethbridge?

Blue 1986 Chevrolet Van with a black sun visor on the roof. An Australian tourist who wants to attend a branding and then drive across Northern Canada, maybe he bought it on kijiji?

 

[otto]

Maybe the wife's reference to not feeling safe enough to pull over is not because of any danger they saw, just a general decision to not pull over with just females in the car?

That explains not stopping. It does not explain calling the RCMP.

A broken vehicle would attract attention, but presumably not enough to call RCMP. Wouldn't one assume that the people with the broken vehicle called for help and help was on the way.

If it was just about the broken vehicle, why not call a tow truck.

 

[janewall]

Here are the details from the DM article posted above about the other individuals that were found missing or murdered allegedly in the same area which they are referring to as the Highway of Tears:

"Deese and Fowler were travelling in a region that has seen numerous murders and disappearances in recent years, sparking speculation the pair may have been victims of a serial killer".

"Last year alone, three women were murdered or went missing while on 'The Highway of Tears' in upper British Columbia".

"Chantelle Catherine Simpson, 34, was last seen alive in the city of Terrace on July 4 2018, before her abandoned car was found the following day".

"Her body was discovered two weeks later in the Skeena River, and an exact cause of death has not been made public".

"Just weeks later, 18-year-old Jessica Patrick vanished after last being seen at a McDonald's along the highway. Her remains were found down a steep embankment on September 15".

"Meanwhile, 50-year-old Cynthia Martin vanished from the nearby town of Hazelton on December 23".

"Her car was later found, but she has not been seen since".

The towns where these incidents occurred are all hundreds of kilometers south of Liard, on highway 16, which crosses central BC, whereas Liard is on highway 97 in BC's far north, very close to the Yukon border. The stupid Daily Fail has no concept of vast Canadian spaces. They could at least try looking at a map before publishing this sensationalized nonsense.

ETA: Whoops, @otto beat me to it!

 

[otto]

Maybe the tourists were too relaxed about being parked half off the highway and locals were concerned enough to contact RCMP to have their vehicle moved to a safer place and alert traffic.

Anyone know the timeline between RCMP receiving the call, their arrival at the scene, and distance traveled?

I'm curious because there's something about 3 days before publishing this story. Was it delayed three days before they were identified?

 

[afitzy]

Maybe the wife's reference to not feeling safe enough to pull over is not because of any danger they saw, just a general decision to not pull over with just females in the car?

I agree with you. Listening to her speak about the situation it was clear she was a concerned citizen and she said in that part of Canada that if you see someone on the side of the road you make sure the people are ok as cell signals aren't present everywhere. She might not have felt safe exiting her car but it seemed she did verify that the 2 victims were ok. MOO

 

[TheSecondLaw]

It sounds like no one actually stopped and spoke to them and there were two very different perceptions of the scene 20 minutes apart. The first perception was that the victims waived along the concerned driver because everything was fine, the second perception is that the situation may not be safe and to call RCMP.

I think one of the times is 3:30, not sure if that's when everything was fine, or worthy of calling RCMP. Without context, the time doesn't mean much. What will help understand the bigger picture is which way (on that road 20km South of Liard Hot Springs) were they headed (N or S?), where had they been?

These are apparently different sets of witnesses - CH was the witness in the car with relatives, they passed by some 20 minutes after CH's husband had passed by the location of LF & CD at their van.

SB and CB are the couple who were traveling together and stopped to offer help to LF & CD. I believe that SB is the woman who spoke with Gray on his live stream.