Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #10

[Peace777]

So it's back to square 1 . I wish these 2 had of been caught by now as the families of the victims would like justice for their loved 1s. Also look at the turmoil that it has placed upon the communities where these 2 have vanished. Crisis teams are coming in to help heal the Native communities now. For some reason I believe these 2 fugitives are still out there somewhere and not dead. JMO

 

[Gina20]

We see what happens now .... it starts with one and trickles into other posts for pages haha We all survived though! And we have a lot of new posters in here.... patience is a good thing and helping out is the WS's way
Another handy trick ... if you are on a computer anyway, you can highlight the text in a post and a box will pop up with the +Quote and Reply (which is what I did when quoting you), it's especially handy when there is a long post and you maybe only want to address a portion of it.

So it seems that we are going to find out that the RCMP are pulling out of Gillam... as a Canadian, I'm okay with this. They could spend days/weeks there and still not find them. There is no concrete proof that they are still in the area, and no concrete proof that they left. I imagine everyone in the area will still be on alert and there are RCMP officers in Gillam (6 IIRC from a video early on). I think with so much focus on Gillam that it gives an almost false sense of security that they are there and no one in the rest of the country needs to be on the lookout. I have talked to a few people the last few days that have said 'oh those guys are in MB'... when in fact, we don't know that is 100% true still. I have been reminding everyone I know to be careful and to have their eyes open, because you just never know!

Just saying that things are getting glitchy when this forum is busy. Things don't always work the way they should. Overloading, I think.

 

[FactFinder3000]

Multiple small propane tanks fell out of the burnt RAV4 when it was turned upside down.

Leonard Dyck would have carried detailed paper maps and lots of camping gear.

Has it been reported anywhere that Leonard Dyck had maps and camping gear? I don't recall seeing that anywhere. He could have used map app and stayed in hotels.

 

[sprucetip]

The woods can be a terrible place. Its usually the little things that will wear you down. For instance, wet shoes lead to blisters that eventually become infected, then you can't walk. Insects can literally eat you alive. Mosquitos are nothing, black flies literally take out chunks of your flesh. That said, these guys seem to have experience in the woods and would likely be able to limit such things. A lot depends on the weather as well. If it has been hot dry summer, insects will be fewer, the ground will be drier, and the undergrowth will not be as thick. I was watching a show on Vietnam last night and they were talking to a marine that said it took him four hours to cover a quarter mile because the undergrowth was so thick that a machete had to be used to hack a pathway. So its impossible to say how they are doing. They could have set up camp a mile in and have not moved much, and are doing fine. The also could have been mauled by bears on their first night and are already dead.

It's true, it's so hard to say what has happened or could happen. I think it was Les Stroud (Survivorman) who said it took him 8 hours to go something like 1 km in similar conditions. But I expect they'd be sticking to easier terrain (train tracks, established trails) and then darting into the bush when they heard a plane or people. At first I was convinced they were dead but I believe the York Landing dump sighting. I bet they ran like crazy after that, in sheer desperation and panic and maybe hunkered down and hid once they were far enough out.

 

[BearCatSafari]

Multiple small propane tanks fell out of the burnt RAV4 when it was turned upside down.

Leonard Dyck would have carried detailed paper maps and lots of camping gear.

If so I'd imagine they'd be maps of BC or even Northern BC. Not Manitoba.

I travel by road quite a bit and I do not have maps of other provinces unless I plan on going there. I have a road map book of my province however that lives between my passenger seat and e-brake/console.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

RCMP say if 2 fugitives missing in Manitoba are found alive, they will be treated in hospital, remanded in Thompson, and then sent to B.C. to face charges.


CBC News Alerts on Twitter

Pretty specific tweet if they haven’t been located, IMO.

CBC’s Austin Grabish is showing an RCMP plane at the Gillam airport:

Austin Grabish on Twitter


And the CBC is leaving Gillam and headed to back to Winnipeg.

7m

I’m on my way back to Winnipeg now from Gillam with ⁦
@angjohnston
⁩ and our shooter/editor extraordinaire Lyzaville Sale. #cbcmb

Austin Grabish on Twitter


ETA: May be signs of the search being scaled-back, IMO.

 

[BearCatSafari]

So, in the collective experience of those here, what happens in the event these two are never found?

Investigations will take place regarding the deceased and the evidence LE has. Would we just never hear about the evidence or the case built against the perps?

I want to know more and I hope this doesn't end without answers provided.

 

[Gina20]

The media reports about the First Nations Safety Officer seeing survival gear & maps indeed looks to be false. However, it is highly reasonable to assume that Leonard Dyck (the owner of the RAV4) carried similar equipment. His friend stated that he loved to be in nature and go camping, and he was not surprised “that he was up where he was found” because he enjoyed taking those kind of trips to Northern BC. LD being in possession of a map is almost undoubtedly certain as 1) older folks rarely trust newer tech like GPS, 2) when in the middle of nowhere, it is logical to carry a backup plan / navigation method. I think its safe to assume the teens were in a possession of a map yet still chose to travel down a dead end road to Gillam. Why?

Additionally, some of you believe that the boys torched the RAV4 outside of Gillam because they ran out of gas/money. I think it is important to note that the day prior their RAV4 was stuck in the mud, and an unknowing bystander assisted them in pulling it out. This bystander mentions that he pulled up in a relatively new truck, & had his wallet (credit cards, cash) in the vehicle. Don’t you think the teens would have reasonably foreseen that they would run out of resources within a days’ time, & out of desperation try to rob the helping bystander for what little supplies he had?
Maybe im giving these boys too much credit, & maybe they really are that dumb, yet maybe not.

He also said that the two had "baby hands". Recalling that Dellen Millard and Mark Smich did not steal the truck of a man who started telling them about his service in the military in Israel.

Would two beanpoles attack and overpower a guy who winches vehicles out of mudholes with ease, in broad daylight, with people watching? Not the way they work.

They sized him up and moved along.

 

[Gina20]

So, in the collective experience of those here, what happens in the event these two are never found?

Investigations will take place regarding the deceased and the evidence LE has. Would we just never hear about the evidence or the case built against the perps?

I want to know more and I hope this doesn't end without answers provided.

If they are not found, the case will remain open. We may never know more than we know now.

 

[MesquiteO21]

apologies if this has already been discussed at length - hard to keep up and i was having trouble accessing the site yesterday. i'm curious why they've been formally charged in LD's death, but are still described as just POIs in LF's and CD's deaths. Anyone know what's up with that?

 

[musicaljoke]

Maybe the RCMP knew about the Rav4 from highway cameras near the burned out camper? Could they maybe have sent a special alert to gas stations to look out for it?

MOO

Yes, this is possible. We own a veterinary hospital. At least a couple of times over the past few years we received a call from the RCMP that a named drug seeker had arrived in the community. Info from the RCMP was given only to places were there would be narcotics on site.

They certainly could do this with gas stations. moo

 

[ToneHound]

NEWS 1130 (@NEWS1130) Tweeted:
JUST IN: We're expected to hear from @rcmpmb about the reduction of search efforts for two B.C. accused murderers in the Gillam area (in Manitoba's north). Mounties will provide an update at 11a PST. We'll have all the details throughout the day.

NEWS 1130 on Twitter

 

[SiciC]

Additionally, some of you believe that the boys torched the RAV4 outside of Gillam because they ran out of gas/money. I think it is important to note that the day prior their RAV4 was stuck in the mud, and an unknowing bystander assisted them in pulling it out. This bystander mentions that he pulled up in a relatively new truck, & had his wallet (credit cards, cash) in the vehicle. Don’t you think the teens would have reasonably foreseen that they would run out of resources within a days’ time, & out of desperation try to rob the helping bystander for what little supplies he had?
Maybe im giving these boys too much credit, & maybe they really are that dumb, yet maybe not.

The guy that pulled them out said his brother was watching. And apparently it was out in an open field in the daytime where anyone could see... that all likely deterred them from trying anything.

 

[musicaljoke]

So, in the collective experience of those here, what happens in the event these two are never found?

Investigations will take place regarding the deceased and the evidence LE has. Would we just never hear about the evidence or the case built against the perps?

I want to know more and I hope this doesn't end without answers provided.

If they are never found, then I don't think you will hear any of the evidence. There is no statute of limitations on murder, so the evidence will be guarded for years. If that's the case we will have to create our own stories based on what evidence we have been given.

 

[LietKynes]

I am also of the opinion that these creeps are alive and well.
Why ?
Because they seem too selfish to off themselves; imo.
They 'enjoy' terrorizing unsuspecting folks who are going about their daily lives.

 

[MistyWaters]

The media reports about the First Nations Safety Officer seeing survival gear & maps indeed looks to be false. However, it is highly reasonable to assume that Leonard Dyck (the owner of the RAV4) carried similar equipment. His friend stated that he loved to be in nature and go camping, and he was not surprised “that he was up where he was found” because he enjoyed taking those kind of trips to Northern BC. LD being in possession of a map is almost undoubtedly certain as 1) older folks rarely trust newer tech like GPS, 2) when in the middle of nowhere, it is logical to carry a backup plan / navigation method. I think its safe to assume the teens were in a possession of a map yet still chose to travel down a dead end road to Gillam. Why?

Additionally, some of you believe that the boys torched the RAV4 outside of Gillam because they ran out of gas/money. I think it is important to note that the day prior their RAV4 was stuck in the mud, and an unknowing bystander assisted them in pulling it out. This bystander mentions that he pulled up in a relatively new truck, & had his wallet (credit cards, cash) in the vehicle. Don’t you think the teens would have reasonably foreseen that they would run out of resources within a days’ time, & out of desperation try to rob the helping bystander for what little supplies he had?
Maybe im giving these boys too much credit, & maybe they really are that dumb, yet maybe not.

I think the Cold Lake bystander’s story, the part about risk to his personal safety was somewhat embellished if the location was indeed a back lane located next to a seniors home, a soccer field, and residences, as opposed to a field as was initially reported. During the daytime there’d likely have been others noticing the commotion of a stuck vehicle plus observing him pulling out these two and so robbing him would’ve certainly resulted in the RCMP being notified immediately IMO.

 

[missy1974]

apologies if this has already been discussed at length - hard to keep up and i was having trouble accessing the site yesterday. i'm curious why they've been formally charged in LD's death, but are still described as just POIs in LF's and CD's deaths. Anyone know what's up with that?

My guess is because of the RAV4. We don't know for certain that it was his, but it makes sense that it is. It was probably easier for them to lay charges for LD's death because of it, and it provided what they needed, which was a Canada wide warrant. They can always add new charges later. JMO

 

[MesquiteO21]

So, in the collective experience of those here, what happens in the event these two are never found?

Investigations will take place regarding the deceased and the evidence LE has. Would we just never hear about the evidence or the case built against the perps?

I want to know more and I hope this doesn't end without answers provided.

good question. strictly seeing how other cold cases have worked, the vast majority of evidence/information is going to remain on lockdown in the event they are ever found alive and go to trial. However...it's *maybe* possible that at some point they'd release a little bit more info if they felt it could be relevant to finding them. I've seen that happen in other old unsolved cases. But it would just be up to the the investigators and prosecutors' judgment, so it's also possible nothing at all would ever be released.

 

[musicaljoke]

apologies if this has already been discussed at length - hard to keep up and i was having trouble accessing the site yesterday. i'm curious why they've been formally charged in LD's death, but are still described as just POIs in LF's and CD's deaths. Anyone know what's up with that?

There's no rush. RCMP can take as much time as they need to process the evidence.

 

[Gina20]

If so I'd imagine they'd be maps of BC or even Northern BC. Not Manitoba.

I travel by road quite a bit and I do not have maps of other provinces unless I plan on going there. I have a road map book of my province however that lives between my passenger seat and e-brake/console.

For people not familiar with paper maps, some maps of one province have maps of the other western provinces on the flip side. There are also map books with detailed views of roads in one province and less detailed maps of the other provinces. LD may have downloaded maps to his devices, but when people camp, it is always good to have a backup in case of computer problems. LD was of the age where he may have had lots of paper maps, transferred from one vehicle to the next over the years. Some people just keep a Ziplock bag full of these things, and toss it in the vehicle without curating the maps for each trip.