Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #10

[JudgeJudi]

Lucas Fowler did not have any Nazi armbands mentioned in the news, he was the murder victim???

Of course. Overtired.

 

[sprucetip]

See this Canadian expert's opinion: https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-...ada-survival-expert-says-20190731-p52cfj.html

"It is not the black bears, polar bears or wolves Arama places high on his top 10 list of dangers the teenagers would face. It's the insects."

""If they drink any water, it is likely filled with parasites, giardia and they'd get sick as hell from that," he said."

""I'll be honest. With 40 years of experience, if you threw me out there with no knife, no tin can, no flint to start a fire, no tarp, no nothing, I'd rather die," Arama said."

If the duo did enter the wilderness and did not find some type of shelter, Arama predicts they are dead or close to it.

The experts are all over the place! Some say they’d last months, other say days. I think he’s underestimating their desperation.

 

[CanadianMade]

If we relied on LE, there would be virtually no images at all. Suffice to say it was his armband. We're allowed to post images from MSM, and that's where this came from.

I wasn't saying you weren't allowed to post it.
I'm just questioning where it came from myself so I am adding it to the discussion

 

[rickcross]

If we relied on LE, there would be virtually no images at all. Suffice to say it was his armband. We're allowed to post images from MSM, and that's where this came from.

I believe those images came from his Facebook page didn't they? As he is not in the image, there is always a chance that he just grabbed an image from the web and presented it as his own. I haven't looked at the pics close enough to see if there is anything that would confirm that the photo was taken in his house, like matching carpet, wallpaper or drapes.

 

[mtnstream]

Wasn't the photo of the armband just of it sitting on a desk?
Do we even know for sure that it was His armband? The photos were sent to the media, rather than the police, weren't they?

Here's an MSM link with interviews.

Suddenly, behaviour that some who knew the teens had dismissed as simply odd or unsettling has taken on a grave new meaning. A teen in Port Alberni described hanging out with Mr. Schmegelsky and Mr. McLeod while they camped at Sproat Lake this spring, and said Mr. Schmegelsky was wearing a swastika armband and military fatigues, and using a replica Nazi knife to crush Ritalin tablets and snort them.

Searching for answers: Sense of unease lingers in B.C.’s isolated north as police hunt suspects in remote killings

 

[mtnstream]

Bryer'sNazi armband

Mounties investigating photo of Nazi items linked to B.C. murder suspect

Thanks for that reminder Judy, I posted the news article, where it quotes one of their camping friends explaining how Schmegelsky did actually wear it!

 

[CanadianMade]

Here's an MSM link with interviews.

Suddenly, behaviour that some who knew the teens had dismissed as simply odd or unsettling has taken on a grave new meaning. A teen in Port Alberni described hanging out with Mr. Schmegelsky and Mr. McLeod while they camped at Sproat Lake this spring, and said Mr. Schmegelsky was wearing a swastika armband and military fatigues, and using a replica Nazi knife to crush Ritalin tablets and snort them.

Searching for answers: Sense of unease lingers in B.C.’s isolated north as police hunt suspects in remote killings

Exactly what I am trying to say actually. The media ran with those photos and then all sorts of things came out of the wood work. I am at a point where I do not necessarily believe Anything the media is reporting. I believe they are taking what they can get and running with it to glam up the spree killing theories because it drums up a lot of attention.

 

[rickcross]

The experts are all over the place! Some say they’d last months, other say days. I think he’s underestimating their desperation.

The woods can be a terrible place. Its usually the little things that will wear you down. For instance, wet shoes lead to blisters that eventually become infected, then you can't walk. Insects can literally eat you alive. Mosquitos are nothing, black flies literally take out chunks of your flesh. That said, these guys seem to have experience in the woods and would likely be able to limit such things. A lot depends on the weather as well. If it has been hot dry summer, insects will be fewer, the ground will be drier, and the undergrowth will not be as thick. I was watching a show on Vietnam last night and they were talking to a marine that said it took him four hours to cover a quarter mile because the undergrowth was so thick that a machete had to be used to hack a pathway. So its impossible to say how they are doing. They could have set up camp a mile in and have not moved much, and are doing fine. The also could have been mauled by bears on their first night and are already dead.

 

[Moriarty]

I was struck by those still shots of the pair from the Meadow Lake Co-op store...BS looks almost clean shaven and KM has shaved around his wispy goatee thingee...seems like an odd thing to take the time to do when on the run from LE.

Couple that with the casualness of introducing themselves to that guy in Cold Lake, if that was an accurate recounting...

Either these two are cool as cucumbers or they are complete morons who have stumbled through stupid luck from moment to moment without getting caught.

If the latter, luck runs out. JMO

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I'm going to take a guess here but I do not think that there was a dog attack or animal attack after they were killed. Both Lucas and China's bodies were laid out specifically look like. Face to the West head towards the North Area ...one in front of the other somewhat. Right arm stretched out at about the 2:00 position ..and. the left was tucked under their chest belly area.
Both bodies were pretty much laid out the same way.

The existence of the dog, which I was unaware of until now, really makes me more certain the American man was not the bearded man seen arguing with Lucas. A dog like that, even if left in the car, would be making a racket, likely jumping around in the vehicle if his owner was having a heated discussion outside. The movement would have caught the eye of any passers-by. Unless he ditched the dog, I feel certain he was not anywhere near that van.

I think media reports on the American all needed to include pictures of that dog. I don’t see how he could travel with it undetected, and if the public is aware of it and it shows up as a stray somewhere that would give RCMP a starting location for where he has been.

 

[mtnstream]

The experts are all over the place! Some say they’d last months, other say days. I think he’s underestimating their desperation.

Indeed.
"A massive manhunt for the pair is under way and, after a recent search around the community of York Landing, it is now focused on their last confirmed location - Gillam, Manitoba - and the surrounding woods."
"Dave MacDonald, lead instructor at the International Canadian School of Survival, knows the area well."

How hard is it to survive in Canadian wilderness?

 

[Deleted member 248860]

The woods can be a terrible place. Its usually the little things that will wear you down. For instance, wet shoes lead to blisters that eventually become infected, then you can't walk. Insects can literally eat you alive. Mosquitos are nothing, black flies literally take out chunks of your flesh. That said, these guys seem to have experience in the woods and would likely be able to limit such things. A lot depends on the weather as well. If it has been hot dry summer, insects will be fewer, the ground will be drier, and the undergrowth will not be as thick. I was watching a show on Vietnam last night and they were talking to a marine that said it took him four hours to cover a quarter mile because the undergrowth was so thick that a machete had to be used to hack a pathway. So its impossible to say how they are doing. They could have set up camp a mile in and have not moved much, and are doing fine. The also could have been mauled by bears on their first night and are already dead.

Since McLeod and Schmegelsky arrived in Gillam nine days ago, temperatures have been as low as 7°C/45°F and there has been a lot of rain. Two years ago, two German canoeists, experienced and well outfitted, lost their canoe in rapids and had to walk to Gillam through the woods. With layered clothing, topo maps and orienteering skills, it took them 11 days to walk 115km/70 miles.

Every day that passes with no sighting makes it more probable that they have died of hypothermia or murder/suicide.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

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[PixieStix]

Marking my spot for later!

 

[mtnstream]

Exactly what I am trying to say actually. The media ran with those photos and then all sorts of things came out of the wood work. I am at a point where I do not necessarily believe Anything the media is reporting. I believe they are taking what they can get and running with it to glam up the spree killing theories because it drums up a lot of attention.

Hmmm, no one else but McLeod & Schmegelsky posted their photos, on their own social media. And the photos of them on store cams is them, with a time and date stamp. What are you trying to say?

 

[Creole]

Canada murder search: Man reveals how he helped teen suspects free their SUV | Daily Mail Online

 

[CanadianMade]

Hmmm, no one else but McLeod & Schmegelsky posted their photos, on their own social media. And the photos of them on store cams is them, with a time and date stamp. What are you trying to say?

RCMP investigating photo of B.C. murder suspect's alleged Nazi paraphernalia

....."alleged Nazi paraphernalia"
There is one really important word in there to note.

ETA: The first sentence in there even states that the photos were "allegedly sent by one of the suspects". Not 'posted'.

I'm not sure what you mean by the store camera.....I hadn't mentioned that at all. I was talking specifically about the photo of the armband.

 

[mtnstream]

If you reply to a post and the quote is broken (not showing up in a neat little box above your response), you need to report it to the mods so they can fix it if you’re not sure how to. Otherwise, every reply just continues the broken quotes and then the mods have 20 or 30 broken quotes to fix.

My replies just show the quotes, no neat little box.

 

[agoodfriend97]

Not sure if this is credible or where this is coming from but just twenty mins ago

Canada: Manhunt concluded as authorities arrest suspects in York Landing July 31 /update 1

 

[Cdndadeh]

heres a question...

When has there been a case anything remotely like this? I mean sure there have been many mass killings by kids who had severe mental issues in the past. Usually these cases are for some sort of publicity. Now one could argue that a nationwide manhunt is enough publicity but is it? For all intents and purposes here’s two normal boys who play video games and outdoor survival games. This hardly makes them freaks or stone cold killers! But let’s assume they left home with this idea of a cross country crime spree. So within the first few days they supposedly kill three people, set a fire and steal a car and head off on a cross country voyage, then what? The killing stops as quick as it started. They stop for some off road joy riding and get stuck? They stop at a popular store either for the purpose of shoplifting or to leave a trail of evidence. Then travel again to some of the most remote parts of the country burn their only means of transportation and vanish? It doesn’t make sense. Even if an accident happened shortly after burning the rav and they have perished why stop killing? If you have planned to become infamous then why just turn it off and quietly drift through the country. It just doesn’t make sense to me. These are not hardened criminals who’ve escaped from prison and killed where they had to and now hiding! They’re young men who have no criminal past are most likely without any communication or knowledge of what they’re legacy is or isn’t. To me it just seems if this was planned why not leave a bigger mark, more bodies? More fires?

As a side note my 14 yr old son is an avid gamer and airsoft player. I will say this the airsoft community from a parents point of view is very tight and very nice! He plays with mostly men ages 20-40 and 98 percent of them treat him well. They don’t pick on him cause he’s smaller or inexperienced, they offer lots of help. As a parent he actually is subjected to less BS (politics, bullying) than when he is playing hockey. Also these airsoft guns are not harmful unless you take one in the eye and modifying them to accept anything harmful would be almost impossible.