Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #10

[afitzy]

PURE SPECULATION and JMO, but that was my thought too. Someone saw the van assumed it was broken down and left there, so why not siphon the gas out. Possibly Chynna heard something outside and sat up and was putting on her shoes (found with one shoe) to go out and investigate who was outside. The thief or thieves were startled realizing someome was inside and shot through the rear window hitting Chynna first. Lucas jumped out the side door (seen open in crime scene photos) and he was then shot because he could identify the theives. The culprits may have considered stealing the van but it would not start, possibly explaining why both bodies were outside of the van. PURE SPECULATION and JMO

I can totally see something like this happening. Started out as stealing the gas and escalated quickly with tragic results.

 

[musicaljoke]

The farther you get north they are spread out by a 100 or so kilometers but they are there. CCTV sure but I doubt anyone has a clue who these guys are up that far. But speculation by me again.

I'm "up that far" in Ontario and everyone talks about the fugitives in these parts. We feel the fear experienced by people in Fox Lake. Hunting cabins, endless bush, houses without locks, etc are concepts we can relate to.

 

[afitzy]

Here is written version in english of todays RCMP Press Briefing (its sometimes easier to refer back to a written document vs video):

NetNewsLedger - Statement from RCMP Assistant Commissioner Jane MacLatchy on Reduction of Resources in Gilliam

 

[10ofRods]

Very interesting thought on why they might have been at the van! Can't you imagine the scene. Beater van stopped by side of road that looks abandoned with no signs of life, 2 suspects running low on fuel, one turns to the other and says 'lets fill up', they pop out of their vehicle, start to siphon, sleeping people inside wake up, fight happens, and sadly 2 people die way too young.

And may mean that Lucas grabbed a gun (I know his parents don't believe he could possibly have had one) and shot out through the back window the van, maybe a panicked warning shot.

It fits with the criminologist's ideas, with which I also agree.

 

[Diezelmonster]

I'm "up that far" in Ontario and everyone talks about the fugitives in these parts. We feel the fear experienced by people in Fox Lake. Hunting cabins, endless bush, houses without locks, etc are concepts we can relate to.

That's good, sorry to generalize, no harm meant. I can only speak to my experiences.

 

[PixieStix]

PURE SPECULATION and JMO, but that was my thought too. Someone saw the van assumed it was broken down and left there, so why not siphon the gas out. Possibly Chynna heard something outside and sat up and was putting on her shoes (found with one shoe) to go out and investigate who was outside. The thief or thieves were startled realizing someome was inside and shot through the rear window hitting Chynna first. Lucas jumped out the side door (seen open in crime scene photos) and he was then shot because he could identify the theives. The culprits may have considered stealing the van but it would not start, possibly explaining why both bodies were outside of the van. PURE SPECULATION and JMO

Thanks for pointing out CD had a shoe on! I know some here speculate that they were caught off guard sleeping, but that doesn't fit because she was found with one shoe on and I don't know anyone who would sleep with shoes on particularly in a van which is already a tight fit.

I traveled across the US for six months in a van for just like that years ago when I was young, and I know how tight the sleeping quarters can be. I assumed they had to have been awake, but your theory of her waking up after hearing a noise and putting her shoes on also makes sense. Everything else you speculated could also be the case.

 

[JuneBug67]

How many towns have “Lake” in the name? It could drop that number down considerably.

Approximately 150 across the country (lake or lac), particularly in the north. So the fact that each sighting has been in a “Lake” town is of interest, but not really mind blowing.

 

[CanadianMade]

In response to what's their end game? My guess: To survive in the wild? After practicing how to do so for two years plus playing that survival game ( where you can kill people) to prepare?

IMO if they had some plan based on the often mentioned game they apparently played, they would not have started out with the items they took with them. They would not have had any sort of supplies. They would have started like you do in the game. With nothing.

ETA: Coming from the perspective of a gamer who plays the same game that seems to be of so much interest to some.

 

[scrappinkat]

Yeah. Fair point. However, others have made statements indicating there was something off with these two. And they are wanted for murder. So I;m going with yes, these two showed signs of trouble brewing and the RCMP haven't pulled their charge or suspicions from out of nowhere.

I highly doubt that anything the father said had any bearing on the police deciding to announce Bryer and Kam as suspects. I had assumed they did that based on evidence gathered through crime scenes and the numerous calls in to their tip line that would have helped them know where they were and at what times.

 

[stovebolt6]

PURE SPECULATION and JMO, but that was my thought too. Someone saw the van assumed it was broken down and left there, so why not siphon the gas out. Possibly Chynna heard something outside and sat up and was putting on her shoes (found with one shoe) to go out and investigate who was outside. The thief or thieves were startled realizing someome was inside and shot through the rear window hitting Chynna first. Lucas jumped out the side door (seen open in crime scene photos) and he was then shot because he could identify the theives. The culprits may have considered stealing the van but it would not start, possibly explaining why both bodies were outside of the van. PURE SPECULATION and JMO

But stealing gasoline for what?

Based on the alleged timeline, KM and BS would've still been driving the truck with the camper when they happened upon the van. That Ram truck they were driving was a diesel.

 

[gitana1]

I highly doubt that anything the father said had any bearing on the police deciding to announce Bryer and Kam as suspects. I had assumed they did that based on evidence gathered through crime scenes and the numerous calls in to their tip line that would have helped them know where they were and at what times.

Agreed.

 

[Curious Me]

I can totally see something like this happening. Started out as stealing the gas and escalated quickly with tragic results.

From reports about the teens, I haven't doubted they fantasized killing people, but this doesn't seem like the planned killing spree they would have chosen.

 

[Francie Starr]

with what money?

Maybe they sold the RAV4 a day or two before it ever materialized in Gillam? Say 500 bux and a ride to the Pas or the Peg. When the buyers heard the news reports and realized what they'd acquired, they promptly torched the vehicle. Meanwhile, the boys are well on their way, with money in their pocket and no more explaining to do about how the Professor's vehicle came to be in their possession. Just another theory. MOO Perhaps LE would be better to sit by the phones at the homes of these boys and wait for a call. Sooner or later, if they are still alive, that call will come. MOO

 

[afitzy]

Interesting article about Asst Commissioner MacLatchy that gave today's press briefing. She is D Divisions first female commanding officer in the RCMP.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-commanding-officer-rcmp-first-woman-1.5028583

 

[afitzy]

From reports about the teens, I haven't doubted they fantasized killing people, but this doesn't seem like the planned killing spree they would have chosen.

I'm not certain they planned anything other than the rough route they planned to follow.

 

[minn77]

Ok so im going to just do a post with where my train of thought is heading from watching this case, all the inconsistencies, "eye witness" reports and limited info we are getting ( which is typical of law enforcement on active cases) maybe all the reading through articles and reading all the theories people have thrown out and some are WAY out there IMO heres one for you all. Sticking with the game play topic lets say K & B are working together with a few other "teammates" throughout canada and the teammates are strategically placed to throw off law enforcement with different "events" that seem to me as being so ridiculous its baffling everyone. K&B walk through a coop knowing security cameras will see them, but is it possible that the cold lake incident was just 2 guys that fit the description but told the guy who helped them the names of K&B on purpose. The rav 4 incident at the checkstop up at gillam was 2 guys that matched the description but were there just to burn the vehicle and get everyone's attention way up north. The spotting of two guys fitting the description of K&B at the dump making law enforcement think they are hiding in the bush and most recent apparent sighting a construction worker in Ontario seeing 2 man matching the description with a weapon. I know its WAY out there, but we're not dealing with anything textbook here. Just tossing ideas around really haha!!

 

[ktm44]

I think they ditched their gun after they killed the couple in fear they would get caught in a roadblock and searched. They haven’t killed anyone since LD and I know the cause of the hasn’t been released by the rcmp publicly, but I’m just going to once again say I believe they ditched the weapon In BC which is why they haven’t killed anyone or took over anyone’s house to get food or transportation. Also why they haven’t come out shooting. MOO

I feel the same. I don't think the firearm was theirs, I think it had a limited amount of ammo (likely belonging to the botanist) and it's the only thing that makes sense. I don't believe they are skilled survivalists, I don't believe they had much, if any master plan and I honestly think that everything they've done is typical teenage thinking.

They got themselves into trouble and their reaction was to try and distance themselves for the trouble they've caused. Their next move seems to have been to run away fast and try to figure out how to get out of trouble. I also think the firearm is in the bushes in BC.

I believe that if they were still armed, the band security, who stopped to while looking for drugs or alcohol would have been shot on site. They had to have felt cornered and afraid at that time and truly thought they'd be taken in.

A bit more time fighting with each other over strategy, the stress of being on the run and I suspect one of the two is going to either turn himself in or contact a parent.

 

[1987]

Same, not sure how many cars now have locking gas caps. I thought it was a thing for commercial vehicles and older cars? I live in a big city in Ontario and have put gas in MANY types of cars for the last 35 years and to my memory, not one has been a locking gas cap?

here a key lock gas cap is a add on after market thing for people that have had a issue or are afraid they are going to have a issue with stolen gas. the lock lid that has the push button on the inside of the car is easily got around if you have a car key just use the key to pop it open. any key or screw driver, key doesn't have to go to that car.

 

[CanadianMade]

Ok so im going to just do a post with where my train of thought is heading from watching this case, all the inconsistencies, "eye witness" reports and limited info we are getting ( which is typical of law enforcement on active cases) maybe all the reading through articles and reading all the theories people have thrown out and some are WAY out there IMO heres one for you all. Sticking with the game play topic lets say K & B are working together with a few other "teammates" throughout canada and the teammates are strategically placed to throw off law enforcement with different "events" that seem to me as being so ridiculous its baffling everyone. K&B walk through a coop knowing security cameras will see them, but is it possible that the cold lake incident was just 2 guys that fit the description but told the guy who helped them the names of K&B on purpose. The rav 4 incident at the checkstop up at gillam was 2 guys that matched the description but were there just to burn the vehicle and get everyone's attention way up north. The spotting of two guys fitting the description of K&B at the dump making law enforcement think they are hiding in the bush and most recent apparent sighting a construction worker in Ontario seeing 2 man matching the description with a weapon. I know its WAY out there, but we're not dealing with anything textbook here. Just tossing ideas around really haha!!

Even I have considered it and I have voiced a few times how I feel about the relation to gaming with this.
Literally every option has crossed my mind.
The way you have put it together is exactly the way I had when breifly entertaining that theory. I do still dismiss it for MOO but I can't say I have not pondered it at one point.

ETA: It's the amount of how many tips keep coming out, how they keep coming out and When they keep coming that keeps this one in the back of my brain so dismiss was not even the right word to use.

 

[Allgoodusernamestaken]

PURE SPECULATION and JMO, but that was my thought too. Someone saw the van assumed it was broken down and left there, so why not siphon the gas out. Possibly Chynna heard something outside and sat up and was putting on her shoes (found with one shoe) to go out and investigate who was outside. The thief or thieves were startled realizing someome was inside and shot through the rear window hitting Chynna first. Lucas jumped out the side door (seen open in crime scene photos) and he was then shot because he could identify the theives. The culprits may have considered stealing the van but it would not start, possibly explaining why both bodies were outside of the van. PURE SPECULATION and JMO

I agree with you!!! I think they blew the back window out with a shotgun assuming the van was unoccupied and things went wrong from there. They panicked and got rid of the witnesses. IMO only! And I do remember (not sure if it was made public or not but for sure it was mentioned to us locals) in the very early stages of investigating, they specifically said “we cannot say if the victims were murdered inside or outside of the van at this time and we cannot confirm if the van was being driven by the victims or someone else”. Please don’t quote me on that even though I did-I’m saying it was along these lines but for sure there was a question of who was driving. And for 100% sure the rcmp knew at that time their van had broke down and couldn’t start. So that leads me to believe the guys did try to steal the van after they panicked from what they did. It is not at all hard to find and steal gas cans along the way, there’s always emergencies and there are many houses/cabins along the way (more so by toad river, muncho area).