Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #11

[Satchie]

Excellent!
Only one comment, from your timeline -
“August 2- Green rowboat spotted by helicopter on shore of Nelson downriver from burnt car”

If the boat was found downriver from the location of the RAV4 that’d be a very promising development but I’m unable to find any confirmation of that, one way or another. Only that the RCMP is not disclosing its location -

“Officers searching the area from a helicopter had spotted a damaged aluminum boat on the shore of the river on Friday afternoon, the RCMP said.

The force sent a five-member dive team to conduct a “thorough underwater search of significant areas of interest” Saturday night, according to an RCMP statement.

The force declined to identify the exact location of the latest discovery.

“To protect our officers in the area, we’re preferring not to say the exact location of where the boat was found or where the URT team [Underwater Recover Team] is searching,” Letisha Sherry, a social media specialist with Manitoba RCMP, wrote in an email to the National Post.”
RCMP underwater team join manhunt for B.C. murder suspects Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky

Wrt the boat location, I think the reporter(s) on the site have the advantage of geography and local knowledge to put 2 and 2 together.

They are watching from a road north of Gillam, where the police boats are launched and head north, ie downstream, and they describe seeing a helicopter circling in that same direction.

The Globe reporter gives this quote, “It had gone through some rapids and had been significantly damaged,” Inspector Fiedler said Saturday.

So that is likely how the reporter has concluded it was "wrecked below the lower Limestone rapids", ie the rapids that are about 13 km downstream from the burned RAV.

 

[otto]

Thanks! Maybe it’s my eyes but I can see on that map the location where Sundance Creek probably flows into the Nelson River but not where it’s at PR290, if this is the location where the RAV4 was found.

I’m unable to link a pay-lock Globe report but it indicates the boat was found washed up in an area known as the lower Limestone rapids, near the Keewatinoow converter station. Other media reports only say it was found 13km from the RAV4.

As the Nelson River flows into the Hudson’s Bay, given the dot of Sundance Creek on the map, it seems the boat might’ve been found upstream from the RAV4. If so the chance it was the fugitives boat isn’t quite as high as if it was found downstream, unless they walked southerly before finding the boat. However it was also earlier reported the RAV4 was found “near” the Fox Lake Cree Nation which is also further south.

I’ve also noticed the placement of the RAV4 is mysteriously shifting on some of the media recent reports. I’m certain I looked at a CTV map only a couple of hours ago and it placed the vehicle’s location almost at the very end of the dead end road but now that map seems to have disappeared without a trace.

Rav4 was found at Fox Lake Cree Nation (left end of blue line), red box is next image

This is Sundance and Sundance Creek area, red box is next image

Sundance Creek

Sundance Creek and Limestone Rapids (I added the labels)

 

[MistyWaters]

Yes, the air force may have mapped areas of interest, or perhaps the RCMP may have asked a local guide. If the First Nations people have been living here for the past 5000 years, then they really know the river, and likely know exactly where a body might end up.

Does it look to you that the URT has a local guide onboard?

Good suggestion, the First Nations people would certainly be knowledgeable in that regard as well.

There is one photo on this link of the dive team and one of the men stooping down with his back to the camera, as the dive team prepares, has no visible police or RCMP insignia visible on his clothing.

Unfortunately I think it’s pay-locked and I can’t find the same photo elsewhere.
In photos: RCMP manhunt in Northern Manitoba continues

 

[acutename]

They could be asking residents. There's not a big need to ask the media when it's such a small community.

could have just been an old boat at a camp and no one was paying attention to it

 

[MistyWaters]

Wrt the boat location, I think the reporter(s) on the site have the advantage of geography and local knowledge to put 2 and 2 together.

They are watching from a road north of Gillam, where the police boats are launched and head north, ie downstream, and they describe seeing a helicopter circling in that same direction.

The Globe reporter gives this quote, “It had gone through some rapids and had been significantly damaged,” Inspector Fiedler said Saturday.

So that is likely how the reporter has concluded it was "wrecked below the lower Limestone rapids", ie the rapids that are about 13 km downstream from the burned RAV.

Yes reporters are on a road north of Gillam but on the same Globe link as above is a photo of a stop point where LE is controlling access beyond that point on PR290.

 

[Zella]

@MistyWaters, check the Twitter account for the Globe and Mail photojournalist who is there. I think that might be her article--I am blocked too from too many views but she shared something similar awhile ago--but she has been posting pics on Twitter too.

Melissa Tait (@meltait) | Twitter

 

[otto]

Wrt the boat location, I think the reporter(s) on the site have the advantage of geography and local knowledge to put 2 and 2 together.

They are watching from a road north of Gillam, where the police boats are launched and head north, ie downstream, and they describe seeing a helicopter circling in that same direction.

The Globe reporter gives this quote, “It had gone through some rapids and had been significantly damaged,” Inspector Fiedler said Saturday.

So that is likely how the reporter has concluded it was "wrecked below the lower Limestone rapids", ie the rapids that are about 13 km downstream from the burned RAV.

Could this be the rapids and the boat location?

 

[Peace777]

Why weren't the RCMP patrolling the river in their own boats? Or were they? I don't remember it being mentioned, just helicopters and military plane. I don't think this boat has anything to do with them. JMO

 

[Canadagurl]

Maybe the two suspects are already dead....

At this point its definately a possibility

 

[BearCatSafari]

Will they bother searching for two dead bodies?

 

[acutename]

Kind of a dumb question but going to ask it anyway, let's say a bear ate them, after the bears body decomposed would they be able to find the bones of these two? Or if a bear ate them then there's no way there body will ever be found?

bears eat a lot of bones. A bear ate a man a few years ago and they found his cell phone, with a picture of the bear, and bite marks on it. So, the bear might leave shoes, clothing bits, but I would not count on finding bone, necessarily. (my inexpert opinion)

 

[Peace777]

Please do not do side-by-side sketch/photos. Threads have been shut down because of users posting photos of perfectly law-abiding people beside sketches of people wanted by police. How would you feel if someone posted online, for anyone to read, a photo linked with your name, to a wanted sketch?

You don't have to it's on a news video I posted maybe in last thread? I seen it but never pointed it out but it's there to view. Glad someone else seen what I seen. Could be a coincidence tho. MOO

 

[KatzEye]

Good suggestion, the First Nations people would certainly be knowledgeable in that regard as well.

There is one photo on this link of the dive team and one of the men stooping down with his back to the camera, as the dive team prepares, has no visible police or RCMP insignia visible on his clothing.

Unfortunately I think it’s pay-locked and I can’t find the same photo elsewhere.
In photos: RCMP manhunt in Northern Manitoba continues

I believe this is the photo from that article you are referring to :

In photos: RCMP manhunt in Northern Manitoba continues

Also, I think I had to make a "free" account in order to be able to view these articles. It truly was free, as it asked for no card info. Just FYI - may work for you.

 

[sandbar]

Yes reporters are on a road north of Gillam but on the same Globe link as above is a photo of a stop point where LE is controlling access beyond that point on PR290.

Can you give the picture number?

 

[Kubirai]

RAV4 was found near the creek crossing, according to an early report. So this was my guess of boat location.
Today's article says 13km away, so maybe further down the river.

 

[SteveP]

Will they bother searching for two dead bodies?

Probably not for much longer, if there are no credible tips to lead them to specific areas to search... If they are not found in the Nelson River, I would expect RCMP to continue to pursue leads, but at some point soon, it will not be feasible to keep a large number of officers just randomly searching. With no real idea of a fairly contained area to search, the odds of stumbling across them, if they are dead, have to be next to nil. I do hope, for the sake of the families of the victims, that they are found, whether dead or alive, but there exists the very real possibility that they will not be. JMO

 

[sandbar]

I believe this is the photo from that article you are referring to :

In photos: RCMP manhunt in Northern Manitoba continues

Also, I think I had to make a "free" account in order to be able to view these articles. It truly was free, as it asked for no card info. Just FYI - may work for you.

Zoom in and you can see an RCMP patch on the man's left shoulder.

BUT there is a First Nations man in the boat in picture #18. For sure the RCMP is using local knowledge.

 

[Peace777]

It was flipped upside down to remove it from the ditch

I wonder how far it was dragged as if it was dragged any distance why is the burned contents in this area close to the car? You'd think burned stuff would have tumbled out long before getting to this area where they dragged it too. Hmmm

 

[Herat]

I wonder how far it was dragged as if it was dragged any distance why is the burned contents in this area close to the car? You'd think burned stuff would have tumbled out long before getting to this area where they dragged it too. Hmmm

As I recall from the photo of the burned car in situ, it wasn't dragged very far - maybe 20 feet.

 

[otto]

RAV4 was found near the creek crossing, according to an early report. So this was my guess of boat location.
Today's article says 13km away, so maybe further down the river.
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So 1 is the Rav4 and 2 is the boat? That's a long way from the Fox Lake Cree Nation.