Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #13

[Jen-Knee]

The route to where? Campgrounds are near lakes and hiking spots. People who stay at pullouts can look at something nice, but that's about it. It's been a while since I camped in Canada, but when I did, there were no homeless people on the side of the highway.

Campgrounds as in ones not being maintained by either the province or privately owned. They're just spots around lakes, rivers, creeks, ect that people set up camp. They seem to be pretty well known spots (that I camped at), since we always saw plenty of people at them and some were not locals. Usually you have to go up gravel roads, which are maintained for logging.

I'm not sure why homeless people were mentioned.

 

[Zella]

Working my way back in the threads. Where did this come from to get the opinion that she turned around and essentially abandon the boy? To find a new man? Is there a link?

I've been wondering about this, too. As far as I know, Bryer obviously hadn't lived with her for a couple of years and there is information from one of her coworkers that she was scared of him, so I don't think it is a stretch to assume they didn't have a great relationship, but I've never seen any confirmation that they were so estranged that he wasn't in contact with her or that the source of the friction was all on her.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Didn't really think there was a lot of new information, per se. I did notice they briefly mentioned Bryer has "learning difficulties." I wonder if he was ever officially diagnosed with a learning disability, like dyslexia.

I noticed that too, and I guess that explains why he was in the alternative school probably. It could even be something like ADHD (maybe where he got the Adderall from that his friend saw him snorting?)

I found it interesting that the skateboarder friend of Kam's said that he never saw any suspicious behavior from either one of them. I know that's a recurring theme with people talking about Kam (and he also seemed to confirm the picture of Kam as somewhat more outgoing than Bryer), but as we have discussed extensively, Bryer seems to have been hellbent on alienating people recently, especially people his age, so I was intrigued by why he apparently behaved and didn't act out around that kid. Maybe because it was Kam's friend rather than his own, he didn't feel as comfortable doing so?

I also found that a bit unusual. Maybe it was because the guy was Kam's friend and maybe Kam told him to tone it down around his friends.

All that being said, if the bombshell 60 Minutes Australia was promising was a brief video of BS shooting his Airsoft gun we already knew about . . . I'm not impressed. At all.

I was hoping there would be a video where Bryer was talking or something, so we could get a better overall impression of him.

As for AS's claims BS wouldn't go stir-crazy in the woods, I think he was not being realistic at all. Just because someone is a loner and an introvert who spends a lot of time in their head and enjoys camping doesn't mean they are impervious to going stir-crazy. And I think he is also ignoring the fact that BS apparently spent his alone time doing something stimulating--playing video games--and his camping seems to have always been with others and short in duration. So, that's hardly a blueprint for how he would handle being unplugged in the woods for an extended period of time. And based on accounts of numerous people who saw them on the lam, it seems like Bryer was unraveling long before they got to the woods.

He's also not taking into account: a) the bugs, b) the police and helicopters, c) the fact that their camping trip had two possible endings: prison and death. Living in the woods is fine if you choose to be there and you can leave at any time...not so much if you can never go back to normal life.

I don't think either of them really wanted to die. If they did, they would not have been so terrified while on the run, and probably would have ended it much earlier. I think once the helicopters started flying, they realized there was not even a tiny chance of escape, and decided that suicide was preferable to prison or dying due to the elements. JMO.

 

[otto]

I think that the chances of finding a boat there are HIGH because they did indeed end up with a boat. Do you have a link for the LE think they walked part? From what I read LE said the shore was impassible on foot: the ground too sloped and the current too strong in the water.

"Members of the RCMP search and rescue team were also trying to map further the route the fugitives travelled. The vehicle that police believe they set on fire was abandoned close to Sundance Creek by Provincial Road 290.

It’s possible the pair followed the creek to the Nelson River, Sgt. Manaigre said. “That’s what we’re still trying to determine,” he said of the fugitives’ path. “... We focused on an area with a little creek bed.”​

RCMP send search specialists to scour area where bodies of B.C. homicide suspects were found

 

[Bluehorse]

1. The RCMP to this date have not released to the public on which route Kam & Bryer took up north.
2. Can someone help me understand why there is a thought they committed the first murders for robbery? The great uncle in his interview said they had significant cash with them. I just don't feel that robbery as a motive is a viable reason. I see robbing Mr. Dyck's Rav4 as having a viable reason for them, but not in the Liard murders.

Maybe they spent a significant portion of the money - purchased something and were left short - needed money for gas. Maybe they didn't realize the couples van was diesel fuel, but were caught by the couple and then got into an argument/fight.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

There is an obvious question that the journalist from Australian 60 Minutes, and for that matter other journalists, should have asked Alan Schmegelsky: Do you have the Airsoft gun?

If he has it, one would think that Australian 60 Minutes would show it. If he doesn’t, one would think that the programme would say where Schmegelsky thinks it is and last saw it. It’s possible, of course, that the RCMP have it.

I also would have thought that the show, or some other journalist, would say what model Airsoft gun it is and show a decent picture of it in addition to the indistinct photo of Bryer Schmegelsky lying on the ground with it.

60 Minutes, presumably speaking of Australian dollars, says that Alan Schmegelsky paid $600 for the gun. That’s CAD540. Less 12% sales tax, that’s about CAD475 or USD375.

That is at the higher end of the Airsoft market, but there are quite a few Airsoft guns at about that price, and the price may well include some accessories.

More to come on this...

Further on the above post...

I am struck by the fact that Alan Schmegelsky paid about CAD475/USD375, plus 12% sales tax, for an Airsoft gun. He is clearly not well off, and that is at the higher end of the Airsoft market.

He purchased the gun for Bryer when Bryer was 17. I’m no expert on the Airsoft market, but I would have thought that a 17 year old would be more interested in learning to use a real gun, especially with that kind of money being spent.

In Alan’s place, I would have encouraged Bryer to join the Port Alberni Fish and Game Club: Alberni Fish and Game Club

This option would have been quite a bit cheaper, and more useful, than paying CAD540 (with tax) for a toy gun. The club’s annual fee is fairly low and it has an active shooting programme. If it’s like my club, it encourages young people, members teach for free and there is probably a club gun that young people can borrow. Bryer could shoot at the club without a gun license, but he would be encouraged to take the gun safety course, which costs about CAD160. This would make it possible to get a full gun license when he turned 18.

In the meantime, with the gun safety course under his belt, he could get a Minor’s License, which would enable him to borrow a gun if he wanted to go target shooting on his own. But the fact is, if you have a gun club membership, target shooting in the woods is not particularly alluring.

Maybe I’m being too optimistic, but I also wonder whether being in a shooting club environment would have set him on a path different from the one he was on.

One further comment...

Alan Schmegelsky says that he purchased the Airsoft gun so that Bryer could shoot in the woods with his friends. Who are these friends? Do they even exist? As far as I know, not a single friend, let alone one who was playing Airsoft games in the woods, has been identified or interviewed.

 

[Zella]

I also found that a bit unusual. Maybe it was because the guy was Kam's friend and maybe Kam told him to tone it down around his friends.
.

LOL I can totally see that conversation taking place. "Dude, keep the Nazi stuff to yourself around Ripley."

I was hoping there would be a video where Bryer was talking or something, so we could get a better overall impression of him.

Me too. I would like to see video footage of both of them and hear them talking/see their natural non-fugitive demeanor. One can only glean so much from photos, surveillance footage, and anecdotes. I'm actually surprised nothing has surfaced publicly yet, even if just innocuous impromptu footage from family or friends.

 

[otto]

Campgrounds as in ones not being maintained by either the province or privately owned. They're just spots around lakes, rivers, creeks, ect that people set up camp. They seem to be pretty well known spots (that I camped at), since we always saw plenty of people at them and some were not locals. Usually you have to go up gravel roads, which are maintained for logging.

I'm not sure why homeless people were mentioned.

I was walking along a river last week. At two points, where I needed to go through some bushes to get to the river, I turned back when I saw people brushing their teeth beside sleeping bags. They're homeless people squatting on the river banks in a city, but they probably think they are camping.

 

[SnooperDuper]

"Members of the RCMP search and rescue team were also trying to map further the route the fugitives travelled. The vehicle that police believe they set on fire was abandoned close to Sundance Creek by Provincial Road 290.

It’s possible the pair followed the creek to the Nelson River, Sgt. Manaigre said. “That’s what we’re still trying to determine,” he said of the fugitives’ path. “... We focused on an area with a little creek bed.”​

RCMP send search specialists to scour area where bodies of B.C. homicide suspects were found

"Following the creek" doesn't mean that they were necessarily on foot. They could have followed the creek in the rowboat.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Further on the above post...

I am struck by the fact that Alan Schmegelsky paid about CAD475/USD375, plus 12% sales tax, for an Airsoft gun. He is clearly not well off, and that is at the higher end of the Airsoft market.

He purchased the gun for Bryer when Bryer was 17. I’m no expert on the Airsoft market, but I would have thought that a 17 year old would be more interested in learning to use a real gun, especially with that kind of money being spent.

In Alan’s place, I would have encouraged Bryer to join the Port Alberni Fish and Game Club: Alberni Fish and Game Club

This option would have been quite a bit cheaper, and more useful, than paying CAD540 (with tax) for a toy gun. The club’s annual fee is fairly low and it has an active shooting programme. If it’s like my club, it encourages young people, members teach for free and there is probably a club gun that young people can borrow. Bryer could shoot at the club without a gun license, but he would be encouraged to take the gun safety course, which costs about CAD160. This would make it possible to get a full gun license when he turned 18.

In the meantime, with the gun safety course under his belt, he could get a Minor’s License, which would enable him to borrow a gun if he wanted to go target shooting on his own. But the fact is, if you have a gun club membership, target shooting in the woods is not particularly alluring.

One further comment...

Alan Schmegelsky says that he purchased the Airsoft gun so that Bryer could shoot in the woods with his friends. Who are these friends? Do they even exist? As far as I know, not a single friend, let alone one who was playing Airsoft games in the woods, has been identified or interviewed.

Aren't gun clubs BYOG(un)?

 

[Zella]

Further on the above post...

I am struck by the fact that Alan Schmegelsky paid about CAD475/USD375, plus 12% sales tax, for an Airsoft gun. He is clearly not well off, and that is at the higher end of the Airsoft market.

He purchased the gun for Bryer when Bryer was 17. I’m no expert on the Airsoft market, but I would have thought that a 17 year old would be more interested in learning to use a real gun, especially with that kind of money being spent.

In Alan’s place, I would have encouraged Bryer to join the Port Alberni Fish and Game Club: Alberni Fish and Game Club

This option would have been quite a bit cheaper, and more useful, than paying CAD540 (with tax) for a toy gun. The club’s annual fee is fairly low and it has an active shooting programme. If it’s like my club, it encourages young people, members teach for free and there is probably a club gun that young people can borrow. Bryer could shoot at the club without a gun license, but he would be encouraged to take the gun safety course, which costs about CAD160. This would make it possible to get a full gun license when he turned 18.

In the meantime, with the gun safety course under his belt, he could get a Minor’s License, which would enable him to borrow a gun if he wanted to go target shooting on his own. But the fact is, if you have a gun club membership, target shooting in the woods is not particularly alluring.

One further comment...

Alan Schmegelsky says that he purchased the Airsoft gun so that Bryer could shoot in the woods with his friends. Who are these friends? Do they even exist? As far as I know, not a single friend, let alone one who was playing Airsoft games in the woods, has been identified or interviewed.

I get the impression a fair amount of his income was spent on Bryer, even though he himself is financially struggling. He apparently spent $100 on cologne that Bryer had requested. One of his last messages to his son, according to screenshots, was asking him where he could send the cologne he had paid for.

There has been at least 1 former friend identified. He was a next-door neighbor who apparently knew Bryer well. He said he had withdrawn from Bryer because of his increasing fixation on Nazis and other disturbing things. There was also a friend from a skate park who he had stayed in some contact with. The guy admitted that Bryer was pretty weird, but it seems like he didn't mind hanging out with him. He was the one Bryer sent the infamous "do you want to hang out and speak of politics?" invitation to. There's also at least 1 friend from Steam, though, again, he also withdrew from Bryer in recent months over the Nazi stuff.

None of the friends who went camping with them has emerged, but I can see why they may not want to identify themselves. I also think it is possible they were more Kam's friends, since it has been established Kam had friends who weren't Bryer, and they just sort of let Bryer hang out with them. Perhaps that is why he was trying to recruit the skatepark guy for his "militia," so he could have someone there who was his own friend and not Kam's friend.

In any event, I do think he had some friends, though he burned through them pretty fast. I don't think any of them were ever as close to him as Kam was or that he was as close to them as he was to Kam, though.

 

[otto]

"Following the creek" doesn't mean that they were necessarily on foot. They could have followed the creek in the rowboat.

I doubt they used a 10 foot long boat to travel along the "little creek bed," presumably Sundance Creek that flows through the culvert under the road near the burned car.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

I get the impression a fair amount of his income was spent on Bryer, even though he himself is financially struggling. He apparently spent $100 on cologne that Bryer had requested. One of his last messages to his son, according to screenshots, was asking him where he could send the cologne he had paid for.

There has been at least 1 former friend identified. He was a next-door neighbor who apparently knew Bryer well. He said he had withdrawn from Bryer because of his increasing fixation on Nazis and other disturbing things. There was also a friend from a skate park who he had stayed in some contact with. The guy admitted that Bryer was pretty weird, but it seems like he didn't mind hanging out with him. He was the one Bryer sent the infamous "do you want to hang out and speak of politics?" invitation to. There's also at least 1 friend from Steam, though, again, he also withdrew from Bryer in recent months over the Nazi stuff.

None of the friends who went camping with them has emerged, but I can see why they may not want to identify themselves. I also think it is possible they were more Kam's friends, since it has been established Kam had friends who weren't Bryer, and they just sort of let Bryer hang out with them. Perhaps that is why he was trying to recruit the skatepark guy for his "militia," so he could have someone there who was his own friend and not Kam's friend.

In any event, I do think he had some friends, though he burned through them pretty fast. I don't think any of them were ever as close to him as Kam was or that he was as close to them as he was to Kam, though.

That’s a long way from going off to the woods with friends, who presumably also own Airsofts, to play shooting games.

I wonder whether these people even existed, or whether they are a figment of Alan Schmegelsky’s imagination. I’m not sure that we have the real story around the acquisition of the Airsoft,

 

[Darling136]

This thread will be closing in few minutes, be prepared to move to thread #14 for discussion

 

[Seattle1]

LEONARD DYCK WAS SHOT

"I never gave him a real gun. I never gave him a gun that would kill someone."

Bryer Schmegelsky and Kam McLeod were wanted over the deaths of three people, including Australian man Lucas Fowler and his American girlfriend, Chynna Deese.

They were connected to the crimes after local university Professor Leonard Dyck was found shot dead on the side of a highway in regional far north Canada.

Dad of Lucas Fowler's alleged killer gave son rifle 'for play'

 

[CanadianMade]

Alan Schmegelsky says that he purchased the Airsoft gun so that Bryer could shoot in the woods with his friends. Who are these friends? Do they even exist? As far as I know, not a single friend, let alone one who was playing Airsoft games in the woods, has been identified or interviewed.

Why would they be interviewed?

ETA: With the amount of negativity the family is receiving why would any of his friends want to show their faces to the media? Not to mention, for the most part the media is Looking for that negativity. They aren't going to interview close friends who know them well enough to say that they were good people. They want to hear people talk trash about them because it fits their story much better.

 

[Zella]

That’s a long way from going off to the woods with friends, who presumably also own Airsofts, to play shooting games.

I wonder whether these people even existed, or whether they are a figment of Alan Scmegelsky’s imagination. I’m not sure that we have the real story around the acquisition of the Airsoft,

It's definitely possible it was just him and Kam, and he lied about other people. But I also think it is possible there were other teens there who don't want to come forward publicly.

 

[otto]

LEONARD DYCK WAS SHOT

"I never gave him a real gun. I never gave him a gun that would kill someone."

Bryer Schmegelsky and Kam McLeod were wanted over the deaths of three people, including Australian man Lucas Fowler and his American girlfriend, Chynna Deese.

They were connected to the crimes after local university Professor Leonard Dyck was found shot dead on the side of a highway in regional far north Canada.

Dad of Lucas Fowler's alleged killer gave son rifle 'for play'

RCMP have not revealed how he died.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

It's definitely possible it was just him and Kam, and he lied about other people. But I also think it is possible there were other teens there who don't want to come forward publicly.

Did McLeod even own an Airsoft gun?

 

[Darling136]

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