Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #11

[Seattle1]

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[FactFinder3000]

Recycled aluminum is worth about $.30/lb and you'd have to get it to a recycler. Maybe it's not so worth it up there.

I agree that everyone's saying "that's my boat!"

Yeah, "a couple hundred bucks" may have been optimistic. What does a boat like that weight?

 

[CinNC]

As far as them leaving a trail for the RCMP - given the fact that they are in the wilderness and undoubtedly struggling to find food and shelter, it's hard to wrap my head around the idea that they think they're going to stay ahead of the game and taunt LE along the way.

I'm sure that when they set out on the run that the last thing they imagined was that they were going to have to work to avoid getting eaten, as well as avoiding LE. I just think that their mental state has to be focused on staying alive more than anything else.

They may very well be scratching their heads and wondering how they have managed to avoid capture at this point.

 

[NJSleuth91]

It's a couple hundred bucks worth of aluminum, I would think. Why would someone not have salvaged it if they knew about it?

Because it's in the middle of nowhere and it was more trouble than it was worth to retrieve it?

Thinking out loud here. Don't people with hypothermia sometimes strip off their clothes?

You may be onto something here.

 

[shazmafat]

Wow. Then they were evading aerial detection by hiding under an aluminium boat, and the boat was there in all RCMP aerial photos, even those between July 22 and Aug 2 - meaning not a recent event.

If that's the case, if their things were left on the shore and the mangled boat is unrelated, where are they?

Good question. I have no idea. Hiding in the brush, or dead?

I have an unsubstantiated hunch they are headed towards Port Nelson and Hudson Bay. They could hide out in the shipwreck there. But seriously, no clue!

 

[SnooperDuper]

Yeah, "a couple hundred bucks" may have been optimistic. What does a boat like that weight?

Maybe 120 lbs? $36?

I recently thought to take some aluminum baking sheets to the recycler but when I looked up the value of the aluminum in them...well, they are still in my cupboard ha ha

 

[Gina20]

Jackrabbits. Undressing and burrowing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/io9.gi...th-makes-you-want-to-get-naked-1688151366/amp

 

[1987]

Yeah, "a couple hundred bucks" may have been optimistic. What does a boat like that weight?

I don't know the exact weight but two men can carry one and one man can load in the back of a truck.

 

[SteveP]

Yeah, "a couple hundred bucks" may have been optimistic. What does a boat like that weight?

If it is a 10-footer, as it most likely is, without engine, roughly 100-110 pounds.

 

[Seattle1]

Didn't they most recently say this: "On Aug 2, several items directly linked to the suspects were found on shoreline, 9km along the Nelson River. RCMP Underwater Recovery Team did not find additional items. Roadblock on PR 290 has been removed, but officers remain in the Gillam area."

Or is your info more recent?

source: RCMP Manitoba on Twitter

Latest tweet -- supersedes post you quoted (note all tweets I post have date/time pst). RCMP first made correction on fb and later twitter.

Renata D'Aliesio‏ @RenataDAliesio
Corrected date on when rowboat and items found #canadianmanhunt #canadamanhunt

Renata D'Aliesio Retweeted RCMP Manitoba

Renata D'Aliesio added,

RCMP ManitobaVerified account @rcmpmb
On Aug 2, several items directly linked to the suspects were found on shoreline, 9km along the Nelson River. RCMP Underwater Recovery Team did not find additional items. Roadblock on PR 290 has been removed, but officers remain in the Gillam area. #rcmpmb Update - RCMP Underwater Recovery Team completes a search of the Nelson River | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

2:17 PM - 6 Aug 2019 pst

 

[NJSleuth91]

Jackrabbits. Undressing and burrowing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/io9.gi...th-makes-you-want-to-get-naked-1688151366/amp

"and involves losing their minds, running away, and crawling into a hole to die."

Wait, I thought they were already in the process of doing that before they even got to Gillam! /s

 

[Deleted member 248860]

It sounds like this boat had an engine, and that the engine was removed whenever the boat was wrecked. I doubt that there are a whole lot of people rowing boats on the Nelson

 

[MistyWaters]

That is Clint Sawchuk’s operation. There is a link from his site to a client’s description, with photos, of the trip. No mention of rapids or any other impediment.

I don’t see how it’d be possible to boat from Gillam to York Factory given the hydro dams along the way.

 

[Carpetchick]

Isn't there a thing in Canada to do a fifth year of high school as sort of a breather before adulthood or to figure out what to do after high school? I know there was a Canadian fashion blogger I followed back in the day and she talked about taking a fifth year of high school and how it was common to do it in Canada...I think she called it a "victory lap." But she lived in Ontario so I don't know if that's a British Columbia thing too. But anyway could that explain the discrepancy if he took a fifth year?

That’s only if you are going to go on to University and your marks aren’t great. You take a “victory lap” to improve the marks so you can get into college or university.

I heard trains up there move really slowly due to the terrain.

 

[gigitty]

Apparently a few people have said it's their boat. So we have to take these reports with a grain of salt. I also wonder if it's possible the boat was already damaged when they found it, but perhaps not as much.

It's a couple hundred bucks worth of aluminum, I would think. Why would someone not have salvaged it if they knew about it?

where is the nearest scrap yard?

 

[SteveP]

It sounds like this boat had an engine, and that the engine was removed whenever the boat was wrecked. I doubt that there are a whole lot of people rowing boats on the Nelson

A small engine would add about 30 pounds...total weight around 130. I doubt the engine was on this boat by the time BS and KM found it, if they even did.

 

[FactFinder3000]

Renata D'Aliesio‏ @RenataDAliesio
Latest tweet -- supersedes post you quoted (note all tweets I post have date/time pst). RCMP first made correction on fb and later twitter.

Renata D'Aliesio Retweeted RCMP Manitoba

Corrected date on when rowboat and items found #canadianmanhunt #canadamanhunt

Renata D'Aliesio added,

RCMP ManitobaVerified account @rcmpmb
On Aug 2, several items directly linked to the suspects were found on shoreline, 9km along the Nelson River. RCMP Underwater Recovery Team did not find additional items. Roadblock on PR 290 has been removed, but officers remain in the Gillam area. #rcmpmb Update - RCMP Underwater Recovery Team completes a search of the Nelson River | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

2:17 PM - 6 Aug 2019 pst

The RCMP post, that they made hours earlier, directly contradicts what you posted. I see no correction.

RCMP Manitoba on Twitter

 

[Arizona 123]

I can't tell. The two sides of the boat have different types of damage. Maybe it buckled and the seat is at the bottom of the Nelson River? Maybe it was carelessly removed?

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Regarding the "removed" middle seat. It would look very much like the object in that picture just behind the boat. I'm wondering if that is it, sprung mostly free during the damage, and simply placed there by the RCMP for the photos.

Edit to add; the object leaning up where the wall joins the garage door, adjacent to the front right corner of the boat

 

[Deleted member 248860]

I don’t see how it’d be possible to boat from Gillam to York Factory given the hydro dams along the way.

Well there’s no question that he does it. The question is, where is his start point?

 

[aphoto]

Jeez, aren't the RCMP talking to the locals about who's boat it might be??

The locals don’t exactly have a great relationship with the RCMP. If you think about the history of treatment for some of these communities (stolen land, forced in to communities as opposed to their once nomadic lifestyle, lack of investigation in to the countless missing/murdered indigenous women, historical traumas, and probably more I haven’t listed) it makes sense that they don’t feel the need to go above and beyond to cooperate with the police.

From my understanding talking to people who had their doors knocked by the police it sounds like they didn’t come back if there was no answer and didn’t dive too deep in to what may be missing, it’s not hard to imagine someone not thinking about a boat that went missing long before this manhunt began. It’s also not hard to imagine some people just not really answering any of the police questioning. We all care but not everyone does.