Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #11

[scrappinkat]

We already know that one suspect in a mid-1980s double shooting homicide of a couple near Chetwynd, B.C. went to Sundance, Manitoba, near where the burnt RAV4 was found. What are the chances that two suspects in a 2019 double shooting homicide of a couple, one of whom lived in Hudson's Hope near Chetwynd, would end up in the same place? Strange things happen, but that is quite a coincidence.'

I looked up the case as I’m not familiar with it. Seems to me it is/was entirely an example of tunnel vision, maybe based on desire to solve the case. Seems more coincidences too - as in he had no history of violent crime.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newf...cmp-sting-subject-of-cbc-documentary-1.834222

 

[Gina20]

There are only two options:

They headed to Gillam with intent, as some sort of plan. Maybe they knew current or past residents there, which is how spree killers work, according to various experts. For all we know, one of them could have been to Gillam as a child.

They randomly ended up in Gillam, then Sundance.

"X" marks the spot with a burnt RAV4, literally, in the place where a suspect in a northern B.C. double shooting homicide of foreign tourists fled in the mid-1980s.

They were seen with maps.

ETA: Were they sending a message?

 

[otto]

There are only two options:

They headed to Gillam with intent, as some sort of plan. Maybe they knew current or past residents there, which is how spree killers work, according to various experts. For all we know, one of them could have been to Gillam as a child.

They randomly ended up in Gillam, then Sundance.

"X" marks the spot with a burnt RAV4, literally, in the place where a suspect in a northern B.C. double shooting homicide of foreign tourists fled in the mid-1980s.

They were seen with maps.

The map versus suit point is rather confusing. First it was said that the Rav4 had maps, then there was a suit and no maps. I think the reporting from the locals who were checking vehicles for alcohol is completely unreliable.

 

[PNZ]

Bryer didn't know how to drive according to his dad.

His Dad may not know everything about his son as they were quite estranged for much of BS's life. So its possible BS does know how to drive and his Dad just doesn't know that. I also find the Dad to be not totally credible … just a vibe that something is off … the timing of his 'self-published' book was a head scratcher, struck me as attention seeking, inappropriate and insensitive.

As well, these 2 put on a lot of miles in a very short time, I don't think they could have gotten that far without trading off the driving duties. Being on the run from authorities might be a good motivator to hurry up and learn!

Curious if any of the confirmed sightings (the band Constable, et al) said which one was behind the wheel?

 

[Sparrow2]

DBM
Someone already posted a similar observation.

 

[Zella]

His Dad may not know everything about his son as they were quite estranged for much of BS's life. So its possible BS does know how to drive and his Dad just doesn't know that. I also find the Dad to be not totally credible … just a vibe that something is off.

As well, these 2 put on a lot of miles in a very short time, I don't think they could have gotten that far without trading off the driving duties. Being on the run from authorities might be a good motivator to hurry up and learn!

Curious if any of the confirmed sightings (the band Constable, et al) said which one was behind the wheel?

I agree he may not know, but as far as I know, all confirmed sightings have placed KM behind the wheel, with BS as the passenger. Could just be that it was KM's turn to drive, but also could be that BS really can't drive.

 

[FactFinder3000]

The map versus suit point is rather confusing. First it was said that the Rav4 had maps, then there was a suit and no maps. I think the reporting from the locals who were checking vehicles for alcohol is completely unreliable.

The one guy straight up said he saw a suit and boxes. It's the map and survival gear that the other guy allegedly saw that we're unsure of.

 

[NJSleuth91]

So, I know he has had some issues with credibility, so taking everything he says with a grain of salt, but I found what he said in the beginning very interesting.

He says that he didn't want to offend Kam's family, but then he says, "All I can say is my son didn't have any real guns, my son did not have a vehicle, my son does not know how to drive."

That juxtaposition sounds like he is strongly implying that the vehicle is from Kam's family and Kam would have to be the driver, which we have speculated as much (though as also noted, KM could have taught him to drive or he could be driving without a license), and it also sounds like he is strongly implying KM's family had guns.

Or if not implying they had them, it definitely sounds like he is trying to shift blame away from BS as the one who had the logistics for a cross-country murder spree but doing so in a way that he doesn't come right out and say access to any of this would have all come from the McLeod end. Interesting.

I'm not saying he's correct about who was involved with what, but I do understand why he would think that.

If he knows Bryer didn't have any guns (which again, he could be wrong about, since he only saw his son about once a month according to the news, didn't even live in the same town, Bryer lived between multiple residences from what I can gather, and he was a legal adult so he could legally purchase a firearm without his parents knowing) then the assumption is that Kam brought a gun on the trip. Unless the gun was actually one of the victims' and was used on them.

But as I said yesterday, we actually have no confirmation from LE that Professor Dyck was killed using guns, the two are only suspects and not charged in Lucas and Chynna's murder, LE has not confirmed or denied whether they had any guns at all and where those guns came from, and witnesses didn't report seeing any weapons. So guns are yet another sub-mystery of this mystery.

Also, if Bryer couldn't drive (which seems much more likely to be accurate than the guns, because why would someone pretend they didn't know how to drive if they did, and a license is a big milestone in a teenager's life so you would think his dad would know about that if it happened) then he is totally dependent on Kam to do all the driving. Kam didn't drive straight to the nearest police station so that indicates at least equal involvement. So again I could see why his dad would think Kam was possibly more involved. It's possible Bryer secretly learned how to drive and was driving without a license (which would be a really dumb thing to do in a fugitive situation but...they did a lot of dumb things). But from his dad's perspective, he doesn't know how to drive.

FWIW the alcohol checkpoint officer also said Kam was driving. That is a long way to drive for one person in a few days though, but I guess abject terror is a hell of a drug.

 

[Sparrow2]

I found that part pretty amazing as well.

To me, this lends credence to the theory that the suspects may have hitchhiked via some unknowing do-gooder.

 

[Gina20]

The map versus suit point is rather confusing. First it was said that the Rav4 had maps, then there was a suit and no maps. I think the reporting from the locals who were checking vehicles for alcohol is completely unreliable.

Of course, people who head somewhere with intent often download maps before their departure.

 

[Zella]

then he is totally dependent on Kam to do all the driving. Kam didn't drive straight to the nearest police station so that indicates at least equal involvement.

SBM

This is something I keep coming back to.

BS clearly has a pretty disturbing internet history/record of threatening classmates that has been discussed on here, and for that reason, I've seen some speculation that KM was just sort of caught up in his friend's violent impulses.

But I think, in many ways, KM has a lot more power than BS, so to speak. He's a little older, he can drive, his family has money, he seems to come from a much more stable home environment, he apparently comes off much less weird in person than BS (I've seen nothing but absolute shock from anyone who knew him that he was involved, which isn't true of BS's peers). It seems in many ways that BS is very dependent on him.

So, KM doesn't have to be there on this odyssey with BS unless he wants to be.

MOO

 

[Zella]

I think this case is slowly driving me crazy. I dreamed last night they were caught (second time in the past 2 weeks I have dreamed about this case), checked Websleuths, and saw nope, still on the run.

 

[scrappinkat]

DBM

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Are there any media reports of this possible sighting?

I'm not sure the source, I just read it on here... I think it's highly speculative at this time. I did check MSM for this info but nothing. I doubt LE will advertise all they are doing as well especially to MSM as to not tip off the teens if they're still on the run/alive.

 

[Gina20]

Why a "blaze of glory" in Sundance? Assuming that was it, what was the message? Some digital clue must explain it, if we work on that premise.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

The distance from Moose Jaw Saskatchewan to Gillam Manitoba by car is 1363 km. The estimated driving time for the trip is 25 h and the main road for this route is the 280 Highway.
Distance from Moose Jaw to Gillam - Canada

I can't see them hitchhiking for 25 hours without being recognized. They'd need a car. I hope this sighting isn't accurate or we'll soon learn of another dead person.

I hope it's not accurate as well. The only thing that might've happened if true is what LE said, maybe they got a ride with someone unknowingly or someone helping them out. The distance doesn't seem that far as this is their MO so far, it's just whether or not realistic if they actually have a vehicle and/or help with someone with a vehicle.

 

[NJSleuth91]

His Dad may not know everything about his son as they were quite estranged for much of BS's life. So its possible BS does know how to drive and his Dad just doesn't know that. I also find the Dad to be not totally credible … just a vibe that something is off … the timing of his 'self-published' book was a head scratcher, struck me as attention seeking, inappropriate and insensitive.

As well, these 2 put on a lot of miles in a very short time, I don't think they could have gotten that far without trading off the driving duties. Being on the run from authorities might be a good motivator to hurry up and learn!

Curious if any of the confirmed sightings (the band Constable, et al) said which one was behind the wheel?

He was estranged from him from ages 8 to 16 but it seems like they connected more after that. We know that Bryer lived with him briefly and worked in his construction business, and there are photos of the two of them working together. It was also stated that they saw each other about once a month and the last time they saw each other was at his graduation, which I believe was at the end of June. The article linked below talks about this stuff and also gives insight into some reasons why his dad's statements and actions might seem "off" to people. My honest opinion is his dad is in shock/denial and is processing it to the best of his ability.

Father of B.C. murder suspect pens book, details troubled life

 

[otto]

Of course, people who head somewhere with intent often download maps before their departure.

If they genuinely planned to take a cross country road trip, it's possible that they were organized enough to pack maps of all the areas they planned to visit. Since this was a job seeking trip to Whitehorse, I would be very surprised if they had any hard copy maps. Dr. Leonard Dyck might have had BC maps, but not Manitoba maps.

 

[PNZ]

Also, if Bryer couldn't drive (which seems much more likely to be accurate than the guns, because why would someone pretend they didn't know how to drive if they did, and a license is a big milestone in a teenager's life so you would think his dad would know about that if it happened) .

I know of a few teenagers/early 20's people who don't have a drivers licence and are perfectly content to call on friends, family, neighbours, et al to drive them around everywhere. From what I have read about BS, he kinda fits that description.

None the less, I still think its possible he knows how to drive or learned on the fly.

 

[Zella]

I know of a few teenagers/early 20's people who don't have a drivers licence and are perfectly content to call on friends, family, neighbours, et al to drive them around everywhere. From what I have read about BS, he kinda fits that description.

None the less, I still think its possible he knows how to drive or learned on the fly.

Yeah I'm 30 and know a couple of people my age or a little younger who have still never learned to drive, despite not living where public transport is easily accessible. I used to be their ride until I finally got tired of it and made excuses to stop. They don't seem to mind being at the mercy of someone else's schedule--it would drive me crazy!

I agree, though, that BS comes across as someone who may very well not know and not care to learn, for whatever reason, and doesn't mind hitting up other people for rides.