Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #13

[otto]

Otto I love your theory. But something in the back of my head; is saying something isn't right.

Not my theory, but I like it.

Factfinder3000: My theory

The murder of Lucas and Chynna was unplanned. We shall leave the motive out for now, but they ended up murdering Lucas and Chynna and took off. A few days later they became absolutely convinced that there were going to be convicted of the crime. Perhaps they realized, as somebody theorized earlier today, that they had left their fingerprints. Maybe they thought too many cars drove by and saw them. Who knows, but they became absolutely convinced that their goose was cooked, so to speak. They vowed not to be taken alive. Of course they had to ditch the truck and camper, because it was easily spotted.

 

[Gina20]

Thank you ! I'm not trying to be rude or obstinate, just I worked for the largest terminal in Canada. If your not here I want you to understand the demographics and so on without Google

Lived in Vancouver when Pickton was around. And David Snow, the cottage killer.

 

[Zella]

More from the guy that got the two un-stuck in Alberta:

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Ste-Croix said he recognized the sleeping bag Manitoba RCMP found.

“That sleeping bag they found floating, I mentioned that to RCMP.

“They (Bryer and Kam) had it hanging on the fence while I was pulling them out.”
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Now, looking back, he said he understands why no one was coming to help the teens.

“Now I know why no one was showing up. They knew no one and had no phones.”
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He described their handshakes as “limp” before adding, “They weren’t big tough blokes.”
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Ste-Croix went to the RCMP station on Tuesday, July 23, at about 4:30 p.m. to report the encounter.

Ste-Croix said it was odd what the RCMP said to him about the teens.

“First thing the cop mentioned is ‘these boys don’t have criminal records.’ Very odd.”

They were 'really nice kids' says Alberta man who inadvertently helped 2 BC teen fugitives

That's a really interesting article! Thanks for posting.

Some choice quotes from it that stood out to me:

he said they appeared more defeated than angry that their SUV was stuck in the mud.

Ste-Croix said the teens gave him their real names after he finished helping them get unstuck.

“Giving me their real names was just a sense of power,” he said. “They looked at each other when they gave me their real names during the final handshake.”

And Bryer acted oddly at times.

“The way Bryer was holding his pants pacing, the way they were looking at me assessing me and a bunch of other things.

The entire time he helped, Kam sat in the vehicle and Bryer stood near the woods about 100 feet away because Ste-Croix told him to stay back so he didn’t get harmed.

“I told him to back off because if it snaps someone could get hurt or killed.”

He said he wasn’t sure which teen seemed to be the leader.

“Not sure. I think Kam was but Bryer was the one doing all the work.

“Kam was the driver and he was older but Bryer has the psycho look.”

That detail about the work intrigued me. I wonder what Bryer was doing that was work since Kam was apparently in the car putting it in reverse. Was he the one who was moving the sleeping bag and stuff to and from the car before and after?

Also does seem to confirm some of our speculation that Bryer could be kind of fidgety and nervous. What was he doing with his pants?! (I'm envisioning Matt Foley. LOL) Did he not have a belt, maybe?

 

[otto]

Out of Vancouver, everything is beautiful. I spent 6 days camping in Wells Gray and it was amazing. Vancouver has become poopy !

Wells Grey Park is another place where unbelievably strange murders occurred.

 

[Kubirai]

This video shows the river. While it looks like it has a strong current, I don't see anything resembling rapids that could seriously damage a boat.

The boat went through rapids before coming to a rest on the shore of a shallower and calmer bay. Drivers searched that bay.

But even near this calmer bay, the main flow of Nelson River has tremendous force. Another hydroelectric dam could harness that energy, if it made economic sense.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

More from the guy that got the two un-stuck in Alberta:

..........................................................................................................
Ste-Croix said he recognized the sleeping bag Manitoba RCMP found.

“That sleeping bag they found floating, I mentioned that to RCMP.

“They (Bryer and Kam) had it hanging on the fence while I was pulling them out.”
..........................................................................................................
Now, looking back, he said he understands why no one was coming to help the teens.

“Now I know why no one was showing up. They knew no one and had no phones.”
..........................................................................................................
He described their handshakes as “limp” before adding, “They weren’t big tough blokes.”
..........................................................................................................
Ste-Croix went to the RCMP station on Tuesday, July 23, at about 4:30 p.m. to report the encounter.

Ste-Croix said it was odd what the RCMP said to him about the teens.

“First thing the cop mentioned is ‘these boys don’t have criminal records.’ Very odd.”

They were 'really nice kids' says Alberta man who inadvertently helped 2 BC teen fugitives

Thanks! Some good info. We all know limp handshake = sociopaths... Kidding, kidding.

Very interesting observation from that man. Especially interesting that they had no phones, but the guys could've just said that and lied I suppose.

 

[Schmoosh]

I finally found the photos with the locations:

RCMP send search specialists to scour area where bodies of B.C. homicide suspects were found

They're screenshots from the video, which is also very good.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

I’m willing to bet that one or both of these guys, probably both, were on Internet forums that will go some way to explaining this. Not ruling out a statement of some kind either.

I’m just very skeptical that all this went down without a trace.

If there’s a digital trail, the RCMP have it all.

 

[Zella]

Thanks! Some good info. We all know limp handshake = sociopaths... Kidding, kidding.

Very interesting observation from that man. Especially interesting that they had no phones, but the guys could've just said that and lied I suppose.

I thought that was interesting about the phones, too. I think they may have lied about it or maybe they did chuck their phones at some point.

The guy who pulled them out has commented on their handshakes before. I know earlier he said they had "soft baby hands."

 

[LadyL]

More from the guy that got the two un-stuck in Alberta:

..........................................................................................................
Ste-Croix said he recognized the sleeping bag Manitoba RCMP found.

“That sleeping bag they found floating, I mentioned that to RCMP.

“They (Bryer and Kam) had it hanging on the fence while I was pulling them out.”
..........................................................................................................
Now, looking back, he said he understands why no one was coming to help the teens.

“Now I know why no one was showing up. They knew no one and had no phones.”
..........................................................................................................
He described their handshakes as “limp” before adding, “They weren’t big tough blokes.”
..........................................................................................................
Ste-Croix went to the RCMP station on Tuesday, July 23, at about 4:30 p.m. to report the encounter.

Ste-Croix said it was odd what the RCMP said to him about the teens.

“First thing the cop mentioned is ‘these boys don’t have criminal records.’ Very odd.”

They were 'really nice kids' says Alberta man who inadvertently helped 2 BC teen fugitives

I wonder why they had the sleeping bag hanging on a fence ... unless it was wet and they thought they would dry it while stuck ... just more strangness from these two

 

[otto]

That's a really interesting article! Thanks for posting.

Some choice quotes from it that stood out to me:

That detail about the work intrigued me. I wonder what Bryer was doing that was work since Kam was apparently in the car putting it in reverse. Was he the one who was moving the sleeping bag and stuff to and from the car before and after?

Also does seem to confirm some of our speculation that Bryer could be kind of fidgety and nervous. What was he doing with his pants?! (I'm envisioning Matt Foley. LOL) Did he not have a belt, maybe?

Maybe they did something similar with Lucas and Chynna. Bryer was farther away near the trees, Kam talking to them.

 

[otto]

I finally found the photos with the locations:

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RCMP send search specialists to scour area where bodies of B.C. homicide suspects were found

They're screenshots from the video, which is also very good.

That's the Globe and Mail, isn't it? Their car is marked at the same location as our map. The boat on their map is 11 km from the car. On our map, it is 13km from the car.

 

[NJSleuth91]

More from the guy that got the two un-stuck in Alberta

Wow I definitely recommend everyone to read the whole article. It has a lot of insight. It seems totally apparent that Kam was the leader...I mean Kam getting the car out while Bryer was standing 100 feet away "at the end of his rope" says it all, pretty much. I also definitely feel now like this wasn't planned as a suicide mission and likely wasn't planned as murders either. They were terrified. I also agree with this guy's read on them and assessment of the overall motive. I feel even more sad about this whole situation now after reading this.

 

[derbywinner]

The only behavior that indicates someone is a killer is if they kill someone. If peoples' interests in "dark" topics indicated that they were criminals, all of the members of the band Cannibal Corpse would be serving multiple life sentences. Kam and Bryer are suspected to be killers because there is evidence to indicate that they killed people. Not because they played "those darned evil video games," not because they were "masters of camouflage" in the woods (lol), not because Bryer was a little too excited about the prospect of buying a Nazi knife, not because Kam's Steam username was named after a song about Josef Mengele, and not even because Bryer told his middle school classmate that he wanted to kill people. They are suspected to be killers based on forensic evidence. Now, I have said before that I wish there was more transparency about what that forensic evidence was, but the police have said that there is significant evidence, so we're in a bit of a holding pattern until/unless they ever release that.

All this other discussion is trying to determine the "why," and the events that led up to this. For the most part, we are just as confused as you are about how and why these guys did this, and there are a lot of things about this case that are baffling. If this was a clear-cut case there wouldn't be 13 threads and counting of posts on it, and multiple people who have become obsessed with it to probably an unhealthy degree. However that doesn't mean that they didn't actually commit the murders. It just means that this is a weird case and that clearly a lot of signs were missed when these two went into a dark spiral that led to them doing this.

Woot Woot very well said !!!

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I spent a summer there fly fishing, landscaping, relaxing. I was a student. Just South, don't remember how far, people my age had guns, drank a lot, had no ambition, and shot bottles and cans on posts for fun.

I've seen that sort of thing in small towns on the mainland as well, so maybe just killing idle time if not much to do? That's why I got out of my small town growing up, it didn't jive with my interests.

There's definitely some rustic living in some areas on the island. First time I went to Port Renfrew many many years ago I got the heebie-jeebies. Saw no policemen and had no cell phone reception, spooked me a bit.

Sooke used to be a bit wild/on the fringe in a sense where you could have a fire and no one would bother you, but now yuppies/young families are taking over and things are getting stricter with bylaws, city-type restrictions that weren't in place before. It seems there's two types of folks there now - the people who moved there to get away from city people and live a more remote existence and the new flux of home buyers from the city.

 

[Zella]

Maybe they did something similar with Lucas and Chynna. Bryer was farther away near the trees, Kam talking to them.

It's possible. There seems to be a recurring theme of Bryer coming off really squirrelly. I noticed in the timeline in that article, the constable who saw them was quoted as saying he “was looking all paranoid.” Granted, that was after they were on the lam, but it seems like when he was nervous, he had a hard time containing it.

 

[Zella]

Wow I definitely recommend everyone to read the whole article. It has a lot of insight. It seems totally apparent that Kam was the leader...I mean Kam getting the car out while Bryer was standing 100 feet away "at the end of his rope" says it all, pretty much. I also definitely feel now like this wasn't planned as a suicide mission and likely wasn't planned as murders either. They were terrified. I also agree with this guy's read on them and assessment of the overall motive. I feel even more sad about this whole situation now after reading this.

Yes, there's a lot of good stuff in there. They really don't come across as criminal masterminds but rather very panicked young men woefully out of their element. I suspect whatever luster a life of crime had had well worn off by that point.

 

[NJSleuth91]

That detail about the work intrigued me. I wonder what Bryer was doing that was work since Kam was apparently in the car putting it in reverse. Was he the one who was moving the sleeping bag and stuff to and from the car before and after?

I wasn't sure if he meant that Bryer was doing all the work with getting the car unstuck, since he was apparently standing 100 feet away. I think what he meant is, he thought Kam was the leader but Bryer did the work in the murders, ie. was the actual person who pulled the trigger because he had the "psycho look."

Also does seem to confirm some of our speculation that Bryer could be kind of fidgety and nervous. What was he doing with his pants?! (I'm envisioning Matt Foley. LOL) Did he not have a belt, maybe?

I was thinking maybe he had the gun in his waistband and was paranoid about it. Also I guess we called it about him being a nervous person.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

That's a really interesting article! Thanks for posting.

Some choice quotes from it that stood out to me:





That detail about the work intrigued me. I wonder what Bryer was doing that was work since Kam was apparently in the car putting it in reverse. Was he the one who was moving the sleeping bag and stuff to and from the car before and after?

Also does seem to confirm some of our speculation that Bryer could be kind of fidgety and nervous. What was he doing with his pants?! (I'm envisioning Matt Foley. LOL) Did he not have a belt, maybe?

Very good info too, thanks!! Maybe a gun/weapon in his waist/pants in case things went awry?

 

[Kubirai]

That's a really interesting article! Thanks for posting.
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Also does seem to confirm some of our speculation that Bryer could be kind of fidgety and nervous. What was he doing with his pants?! (I'm envisioning Matt Foley. LOL) Did he not have a belt, maybe?

Fidgeting with a murder weapon, perhaps.

RCMP didn't provide details of any sleeping bag, so I am a bit skeptical about this recollection. He would have mentioned they had a sleeping bag drying on the fence to RCMP and journalists earlier, because that implies they camped overnight.

Ste-Croix said he recognized the sleeping bag Manitoba RCMP found.
“That sleeping bag they found floating, I mentioned that to RCMP.
“They (Bryer and Kam) had it hanging on the fence while I was pulling them out.”