Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #13

[Trooper]

Not that it will ever be known, but my working theory is that one of them was the shooter, one was the watcher, ( and incidentally, the admirer) and that's how it ended, too. Still the one shooter, still the one watcher. One a bit tougher, one a bit more squeamish.

They were cold men, able to get close up and shoot a unarmed woman, able to watch this being done. And tootle off for another 500 klms and shoot /watch another elderly man shot. Cold, deadly, intent, …

If, in fact, it turns out they both died of gunshot wounds, that presupposes a terrific amount of organized thinking, to put aside the necessary ammo, and keep the weaponry in good nick, operating smoothly under hard conditions. Kept in readiness for that big exit moment. Maybe they stole a little bottle of oil for the gun at the co-op/hardware store. That would fit in with their final plan.

I am surprised though by no appearance, as yet, of their 'apologia' their 'manifesto' of intent and message. It is hard to conceive that it was all for nothing, yet, that's what it seems to be, so far. For nothing.

 

[dameagatha]

I was surprised to find out it was apparently a hardware store they were filmed in. (I read something saying they stopped at both a grocery store and a hardware store there.) I get the grocery store, but I wonder what they were after in the hardware store. KM looked to me like he was possibly looking for something specific. At the very least, I do agree that he appeared to have a determined look on his face. I remember it taking me aback when I first saw the footage--such a change from his expression in other pictures I'd seen.

It looks like a big box store like Home Depot or Lowe’s when seen from the parking lot. I am convinced they were there at least in part to use the bathroom because that’s what I do in stores like that. The looking around to me is because they aren’t buying anything & don’t want to be questioned. Just my opinion.

 

[Zella]

Families of victims often say a murder trial is utterly painful. It’s like having to experience the death of their loved one a second time all over again, maybe even worse with all the horrible graphic details.

If that’s how the families of the three victims feel, then the deaths of B&K served a purpose in a trial being avoided.

I can certainly see that and understand why they might feel that way.

It looks like a big box store like Home Depot or Lowe’s when seen from the parking lot. I am convinced they were there at least in part to use the bathroom because that’s what I do in stores like that. The looking around to me is because they aren’t buying anything & don’t want to be questioned. Just my opinion.

Yes, that's a good point about the bathroom and pretending to look around! I'm guilty of that, too, sometimes!

 

[Deleted member 248860]

Unfortunately, unless one of them left some kind of manifesto/note we’ll never know what precipitated this.

If they didn’t leave any kind of statement, it means that their interpersonal relationship was so in tune that they felt no need to explain to anyone else.

 

[scrappinkat]

Unfortunately, unless one of them left some kind of manifesto/note we’ll never know what precipitated this.

If they didn’t, it means that their interpersonal relationship was so in tune that they felt no need to explain to anyone else.

No note might just mean they forgot to pack a pen and paper, and their phone batteries were long dead.

 

[Arizona 123]

I'm currently wondering if the sleeping bag in the willows down near Port Nelson (found by tour guide Clint Sawchuk) and the battered Jon boat were incidental (unrelated to this case) but were seen as possible leads, leading to a search and actual related items being found along the riverbank.

The reason I'm wondering this is that if the distances from the burned RAV4 are accurate, we're talking about the riverbank just upstream from Lower Limestone Rapids. If so, they probably didn't get dumped in the water trying to go through the rapids.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

No note might just mean they forgot to pack a pen and paper, and their phone batteries were long dead.

That’s possible, but if there’s no note I think that it’s deliberate, that they felt no need to explain anything that they did.

 

[Trooper]

Unfortunately, unless one of them left some kind of manifesto/note we’ll never know what precipitated this.

If they didn’t leave any kind of statement, it means that their interpersonal relationship was so in tune that they felt no need to explain to anyone else.

Maybe their capacity to convey their feelings and 'life conclusions' was severely limited and , as the saying goes, 'words failed them'...

I agree wholeheartedly about their interpersonal relationship. It must have been made of titanium, forged in god alone knows what dark and dreadful cave of wild surmise, panicked fury, utter existential determination to not just go down but cause agony and despair as a flag raiser.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

“Our parents told us to go on a long joy ride,” Kam nervously told the Cold Lake man who helped push the car out of the mud.

I believe working at Walmart for 5 weeks never mind 5 days is all the motivation needed to explain everything.

Wow, did Kam really say that? I never read or heard that before! Interesting choice of words - joy ride. I think of joy ride as in a stolen car but that's just me. You think he'd say vacation, adventure, wanting to see the wilderness, etc. I think I'm looking too much into it, I just don't think I've ever used the word joy ride lol, we always said "roadtrip".

 

[NJSleuth91]

“Our parents told us to go on a long joy ride,” Kam nervously told the Cold Lake man who helped push the car out of the mud.

This line has always struck me as sort of like, a teenager attempting to sound like what a villain in a movie would sound like. Anyone else agree?

I think they must've had a pact as well. Wouldn't be a plot twist if the dominant one decided to end for both instead of agreement though? I think it's doubtful, that's more a movie thing I think and they probably made a deal with eachother after the first murder. I guess they could've hung themselves if they were out of ammo too.

I have to say I'm glad they didn't have a big standoff with locals or RCMP and more lives lost. The whole thing is just tragic really no matter how you cut it.

I have a feeling these guys discussed suicide extensively in the past, long before they ever decided to commit this spree.

Agreed that at least nobody else got hurt, including accidental injuries in the dangerous search effort.

You call it “grim.”

I’d call it “fitting.”

“We’ll just go out and kill three people, destroy countless lives, and then end it all in utterly miserable conditions in the woods.”

Lovely.

I mean...it can be both. I think they totally deserved this unpleasant end. I also am horrified by it.

Maybe their capacity to convey their feelings and 'life conclusions' was severely limited and , as the saying goes, 'words failed them'...

Maybe even they didn't have a clear explanation for why they did it. I mean, they were teenagers.

 

[Rottiluvr]

I thought it was his Dad that had said that.

 

[Rottiluvr]

Right, I thought it was his Dad that had said that.

 

[Rottiluvr]

Right, I thought it was his Dad that had said that.

 

[MistyWaters]

Unfortunately, unless one of them left some kind of manifesto/note we’ll never know what precipitated this.

If they didn’t leave any kind of statement, it means that their interpersonal relationship was so in tune that they felt no need to explain to anyone else.

I think nothing will be found because dying was not how they thought it would end. I can’t get the point of driving through four provinces in 3 days just to burn their stolen car and then die by suicide especially if they weren’t aware they’d been named suspects. I think there’s a greater chance they died unintentionally by natural causes after a failed attempt to cross the Nelson River. JMO

 

[Zella]

Wow, did Kam really say that? I never read or heard that before! Interesting choice of words - joy ride. I think of joy ride as in a stolen car but that's just me. You think he'd say vacation, adventure, wanting to see the wilderness, etc. I think I'm looking too much into it, I just don't think I've ever used the word joy ride lol, we always said "roadtrip".

I believe the guy who was helping them out of the mud saw the fix they were in and jokingly asked if mom and dad would be mad about the joy ride and then Kam told him mom and dad told them to go on a long joyride.

So, I think his choice of words was more about parroting back what the other guy said.

I did find it interesting that was his response, though. One of his friends in an interview said KM was "really funny," so I assume he might have been quicker about banter than BS. Apparently, BS then made some remark about missing McDonald's, which literally does seem to have come out of nowhere. Maybe he was hungry and wishing a McDonald's was nearby.

Correction: It was the part about "mom and dad" he was parroting back, not the word "joy ride." The other guy only observed "mom and dad will be pissed," and that's what prompted Kam's joy ride comment.

 

[srper2]

Wow, did Kam really say that? I never read or heard that before! Interesting choice of words - joy ride. I think of joy ride as in a stolen car but that's just me. You think he'd say vacation, adventure, wanting to see the wilderness, etc. I think I'm looking too much into it, I just don't think I've ever used the word joy ride lol, we always said "roadtrip".

He was replying to the man who pulled them out of a bog, who said something about their parents not being too happy if they found out they were joyriding in the car and Kam replied with something about their parents telling them to go on a joyride (probably nervously trying to sound unworried and act like all was cool)??

 

[Zella]

DBM duplicate

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Does anyone know how long they were on the run for? I'm bad at the timeline stuff.

If they reached their physical, environmental limit and decided on suicide, doesn't that seem awfully quick? I mean, they are young so could maybe handle a lot (I'm guessing here).

I ask because there's a tiny, tiny part of me that wonders if the gravity of their crimes hit them. IF suicide, maybe one of them had a conscience and didn't want to face the victims families and their own families.

Hard to say, IF suicide if it was just an easy way out or some mental anguish took over. I mean realistically if they had ammo they could've easily had more victims, they probably encountered many people in their path. Early on I thought this was a killing spree but now I'm unsure and they could've had more victims for notoriety (assuming they had ammo).

 

[MistyWaters]

“A team of specialized RCMP searchers combed the shoreline and brush of the Nelson River on Friday, scouring for anything that might have belonged to two fugitives who disappeared into the dense wilderness of Northern Manitoba......

.....The RCMP have said they found several items linked to Mr. Schmegelsky, 18, and Mr. McLeod, 19, who were from Port Alberni on Vancouver Island. They have not disclosed what those items are and, on Friday, police found one more.

Sergeant Paul Manaigre, who participated in the search, said the item was spotted in wet, muddy ground...”
RCMP send search specialists to scour area where bodies of B.C. homicide suspects were found

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Does anyone know how long they were on the run for? I'm bad at the timeline stuff.

If they reached their physical, environmental limit and decided on suicide, doesn't that seem awfully quick? I mean, they are young so could maybe handle a lot (I'm guessing here).

I ask because there's a tiny, tiny part of me that wonders if the gravity of their crimes hit them. IF suicide, maybe one of them had a conscience and didn't want to face the victims families and their own families.

Hard to say, IF suicide if it was just an easy way out or some mental anguish took over. I mean realistically if they had ammo they could've easily had more victims, they probably encountered many people in their path. Early on I thought this was a killing spree but now I'm unsure and they could've had more victims for notoriety (assuming they had ammo).

 

[MistyWaters]

“A team of specialized RCMP searchers combed the shoreline and brush of the Nelson River on Friday, scouring for anything that might have belonged to two fugitives who disappeared into the dense wilderness of Northern Manitoba......

.....The RCMP have said they found several items linked to Mr. Schmegelsky, 18, and Mr. McLeod, 19, who were from Port Alberni on Vancouver Island. They have not disclosed what those items are and, on Friday, police found one more.

Sergeant Paul Manaigre, who participated in the search, said the item was spotted in wet, muddy ground...”
RCMP send search specialists to scour area where bodies of B.C. homicide suspects were found

 

[Zella]

BTW, here's the radio interview with the guy who helped them:
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1578...KT3QJHfIbwHFALmexw-UksyqTWpTUV7nASTw7V7NPwZbc