Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #13

[aphoto]

I haven’t heard anything about keys before. I read the article but didn’t see where they said they got the picture from. There is no way the RCMP just left evidence there.

Well they did. I have spoken to two people who saw the keys with their own eyes several days after the car and other evidence was removed from the scene. The globe and mail took the image themselves. The keys may not be crucial to the case but they were clearly with KM and BS at some point so should be considered evidence. For all we know they may link to another murder

 

[otto]

I will be shocked if there isn't some sort of pubic inquiry down the road. It's what the RCMP does best lol That may also be where we will find out more information about what they knew, how they knew it, etc. They will go through what happened and what they can do to improve.

I doubt that a public inquiry is needed. That's usually reserved for situations where the outcome is questionable. In this case, the only criticism is based on early reporting of the suspicious deaths of two unidentified people near Liard Hot Springs.

The suspicious deaths were immediately reported on July 16. It could not be done any faster.

The unidentified victims could have been drug related, domestic, or many other possibilities. The only reason people are up in arms is because they were tourists. However, because the victim's ID was missing and the van could not be connected to the victims, no one knew they were tourists for 3 days. How they were killed made no difference, as domestic and drug related murders also involve guns. Until the victims were identified, there was nothing outstanding about the murders and no reason to make an international announcement.

I agree that there will likely be an internal review to determine areas for improvement.

 

[Errrr]

Maybe they were using the car fire to bbq the pork chop?

Maybe, due to bugs, these guys tried to cook in the vehicles and accidentally set them on fire? It would explain the hasty exit, mid-chew.

 

[otto]

A boat that was probably there for at least 10 days.

We don't know.

"... rowboat was found about 13 kilometres from the burned Toyota RAV4. The green, aluminum flat-bottomed boat was discovered damaged on the shore, and a red and white water container was found near it.

An RCMP inspector said the boat had been through the rapids and was significantly damaged.

It was found near in the lower Limestone rapids, an area that had last been searched by air three our four days ago. RCMP are trying to determine if the boat belonged to anyone in the area and if the area where it was found it is safe for divers to enter."​

The World-Spectator - Moosomin, Saskatchewan, Canada

 

[JuneBug67]

Well they did. I have spoken to two people who saw the keys with their own eyes several days after the car and other evidence was removed from the scene. The globe and mail took the image themselves. The keys may not be crucial to the case but they were clearly with KM and BS at some point so should be considered evidence. For all we know they may link to another murder

There seems to be advanced corrosion present consistent with being out in the elements for some time. It seems possible that police made a reasonable conclusion that the keys were unrelated. I’m not sure how it’s clear that they were with the suspects.

 

[ldlager]

There seems to be advanced corrosion present consistent with being out in the elements for some time. It seems possible that police made a reasonable conclusion that the keys were unrelated. I’m not sure how it’s clear that they were with the suspects.

To me it looks like the keys have been in a fire

 

[otto]

Well they did. I have spoken to two people who saw the keys with their own eyes several days after the car and other evidence was removed from the scene. The globe and mail took the image themselves. The keys may not be crucial to the case but they were clearly with KM and BS at some point so should be considered evidence. For all we know they may link to another murder

RCMP have said that there are no other murders related to the suspects.

 

[gitana1]

I find it quite off-putting when the media asked RCMP during a press release whether they should have done things differently; whether they are at fault for the suspects travelling across the country.

We know that the first 2 murders were in the news on July 16. The information was available to Dr Leonard Dyck, yet he was killed on July 19. As a botanist, whose world was research and the university, I doubt that he would have done anything different even if he was aware of the suspicious deaths (meaning: questionable murders).

What I'm saying is that earlier reporting that two unidentified people were shot near Liard Hot Springs would not have changed anything.

I think that's probably true. I mean they didn't have suspect descriptions. People so far away would have no reason to believe they were in danger due to a seemingly random shooting in a very different location.

Professor Dyck was killed almost 300 miles away. I don't think announcing that Lucas and Chynna were victims of homicide right away would have made any difference to him.

And few would've suspected a couple of young men like that. One wearing a funny t- shirt.

 

[sprucetip]

Oooooooh boy. Is there some way Canadians and Americans can watch Australian 60 Minutes this Sunday? Start watching the preview at 20 seconds.
60 Minutes Australia on Twitter

I've been watching it on YouTube forever, they have some good shows. Some tabloid-y crap but also some really interesting shows on being lost at sea (I LOVE THOSE), murder mysteries, etc.

 

[gitana1]

Yeah, the RCMP did a terrible job in my view. The bodies were only found because of civilians. I am breathing a huge sigh of relief that nobody else got killed, because I honestly felt more murders were only a matter of time. Let's face it, the RCMP did absolutely nothing that was effective in stopping these foolish teens. In the end they took themselves out. I'm not quite sure why folks are saying the RCMP did a great job. Why? What did they do that was great?

Wow.

 

[FactFinder3000]

The RCMP say the boat was found via helicopter. It sure doesn't sound like surveillance photos were used.

"On Friday afternoon, RCMP officers searching from a helicopter, located a damaged aluminum boat on the shore of the Nelson River."

RCMP officers locate damaged boat on Nelson River shore | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

 

[YESorNO]

This map shows the extreme journey 2 teen murder suspects took across 4,000 miles of Canada before being found by a river

August 8, 2019

"Two Canadian teen suspects led police on a 20-day manhunt across thousands of miles of wilderness before being found dead on Wednesday.

This map by INSIDER shows key locations they took on their still-mysterious journey through the wilds, from one side of the country to the other....

Here is a timeline of the case:

• July 12: McLeod and Schmegelsky left their homes in Port Alberni, Vancouver Island, to search for work in Whitehorse, Yukon, according to Schmegelsky's grandmother.
• July 15: The police found the bodies of Deese and Fowler with multiple bullet wounds at Liard Hot Springs off Canada's Highway 97. Nearby was the blue 1986 Chevrolet van that they were using for a road trip.
• July 19: The police found a burned-out Dodge truck belonging to McLeod and Schmegelsky near Dease Lake and declared the teens missing. Two kilometers from the smoldering wreck the police found a dead body.
• July 23: The two were seen in northern Saskatchewan driving a 2011 Toyota RAV4.
• July 23: A car matching that description was found in Gillam, Manitoba, apparently having also been set on fire.
• July 23: Canada's Globe and Mail newspaper reported that a Nazi symbol was found on a gaming account used by the two teens in 2018.
• July 23: The two were allowed to pass though an alcohol checkpoint.
• July 24: The body found by the teen's car is identified as that of 64-year-old Dyck, from Vancouver.
• July 24: The police announce that McLeod and Schmegelsky are the sole suspects in all three killings.
• July 28: Police head to York Landing after a tip-off.
• July 30: Police end York Landing search and return to the main search area near Gillam.
• August 2: Police say they found items "on the shoreline of the Nelson River directly linked to the suspects" which give them a lead.
• August 4: Police find a damaged boat on the Nelson River, thought to be used by the teen duo.
• August 7: Two male bodies — thought to be Schmegelsky and McLeod — found on Nelson River bank."

This map shows the extreme journey 2 teen murder suspects took across 4,000 miles of Canada before being found by a river

 

[gitana1]

I can't disagree with you strongly enough, in fact it troubles me that you'd feel they did a 'terrible job'. You are basing your thought the bodies were 'only found because of civilians' on media embellishments. The RCMP are NOT "keystone cops" - would you have rather hypothetically the RCMP did absolutely nothing from day 1 and let the 'civilians' figure out why 3 people were killed, who their killers were, and where they were on the run to?

It's stunning. People are criticizing the cops for their tireless and professional efforts to locate a couple needles in ten thousand haystacks.

 

[olivebpa1]

A boat that was probably there for at least 10 days.

We don’t know that yet. All we know is that there is a boat.

Well they did. I have spoken to two people who saw the keys with their own eyes several days after the car and other evidence was removed from the scene. The globe and mail took the image themselves. The keys may not be crucial to the case but they were clearly with KM and BS at some point so should be considered evidence. For all we know they may link to another murder

If they left it behind then they determined it wasn’t evidence. My opinion of course.

 

[JuneBug67]

To me it looks like the keys have been in a fire

It’s possible they’ve been both sitting there for a long time and impacted by the fire. I just don’t think the go to conclusion should be police incompetence without further information. That’s a lot of deep corrosion on there that to an expert may be consistent with oxidation over time, rather than oxidation by intense heat over hours.

 

[Satchie]

There seems to be advanced corrosion present consistent with being out in the elements for some time. It seems possible that police made a reasonable conclusion that the keys were unrelated. I’m not sure how it’s clear that they were with the suspects.

Someone could have planted them there after the fact: a freelancer or local trying to create a mystery.

 

[Zella]

I've been watching it on YouTube forever, they have some good shows. Some tabloid-y crap but also some really interesting shows on being lost at sea (I LOVE THOSE), murder mysteries, etc.

That's good to know. Are they fairly prompt about uploading? I am on the fence about watching AS's interview. I'll probably cave and watch it because I can't help myself. But I also might be geo-blocked and not able to view it, anyway. LOL

 

[otto]

I think that's probably true. I mean they didn't have suspect descriptions. People so far away would have no reason to believe they were in danger due to a seemingly random shooting in a very different location.

Professor Dyck was killed almost 300 miles away. I don't think announcing that Lucas and Chynna were victims of homicide right away would have made any difference to him.

And few would've suspected a couple of young men like that. One wearing a funny t- shirt.

Exactly. When I hear about a random murder, nothing changes. Random murders happen everywhere. When I heard that it was tourists, that made a big difference.

However, it is not the fault of the RCMP that it took 3 days to identify the first 2 victims, and 5 days to identify the 3rd victim. It took 8 days to identify the suspects, which was only possible after connecting the Rav4 to the suspects and the 3rd victim.

 

[musicaljoke]

I was surprised to see separate planes. Weight or space considerations maybe? Dunno.

Yeah, and probably because they were using the planes to ship other people out of the area at the same time. The hold might not have been very big.

 

[sprucetip]

I think that's probably true. I mean they didn't have suspect descriptions. People so far away would have no reason to believe they were in danger due to a seemingly random shooting in a very different location.

Professor Dyck was killed almost 300 miles away. I don't think announcing that Lucas and Chynna were victims of homicide right away would have made any difference to him.

And few would've suspected a couple of young men like that. One wearing a funny t- shirt.

Totally disagree. I am 650km away from the murders and all people do is drive up and down that highway. Distance is irrelevant. The murderers could have been in Whitehorse early on July 15. We didn't hear anything until the next day. If there was a warning from the RCMP, people would have taken notice and perhaps acted a bit more cautiously. Perhaps LD would have done that. Maybe he was being a good samaritan and helping the murderers with their broken down truck. He might have thought twice about this if he knew killers were on the loose in the area. Just that knowledge that someone really bad is out there, possibly along the highway somewhere, could have made a difference.

I think people are missing that despite the distances, this is a really connected area. You're either going up the Alaska (or Cassiar) highways or going down. That alone connects people. We hear about things happening down the highway, most people are very familiar with the whole highway as we drive it regularly. It's an area where almost everyone looks out for each other because of the remoteness in areas so when something bad happens, it's memorable and catches your attention.