Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #13

[Zella]

My guess is Youtube took the channel down if they knew about it...can't be getting that bad press now can we?



I don't think it can be ruled out as a possibility, either that the video games they played were a reflection of their long-standing interest in this topic, or that these video games were an "inspiration" to them with the details of how they carried this whole thing out. JMO.

Also noticed on Bryer's Steam account it lists his location as "Atemar, Mordovia, Russian Federation." Now that is weirdly specific.

From Wikipedia:
Mordovia - Wikipedia
"The Republic of Mordovia is a federal subject of Russia (a republic)."

Saransk - Wikipedia
"The Russian fortress Atemar, founded in 1641, took its name from a nearby Mordvin village; at the time the fortress stood on the southeastern frontier of the Tsardom of Russia."

I guess that kind of answers our question to if either of these two read and what they might have been reading. Like...who just randomly knows about that kind of thing?

Yes, it is possible YouTube took it down. I think Facebook took down their pages, too, though their Instagrams are still up. I never heard of them being on Twitter. I can't find them under any of their usual names on YouTube or Twitch, but I might just not know how to look or--as you say--the accounts were removed.

I'm weirdly impressed with BS knowing about Saransk. I'm a pretty avid reader of Russian history, and that's a new one on me. BS may well have been more of a reader than KM, despite the latter's Lovecraft shirt. I haven't seen enough of BS's writing to know what to make of it, but I noticed the spelling in KM's Instagram page is absolutely atrocious, though most of the content itself seems fairly innocuous. Not even just texting speak. Using the wrong words. I know it's social media and he was apparently 14/15 when he was active on the site, but it made my inner former English teacher's eye twitch.

 

[Satchie]

Why isn't the professor's cause of death being released? It seems weird to me.

Privacy laws are here to stay. The government and police never wanted them but they have been forced to adopt them because of pressure from citizens who don't want the government to misuse the large amount of information they collect and keep about citizens in the modern, computerized, state. It's an aspect of human rights. I'm allowed to die without the whole world knowing and speculating about my private agony by the side of a highway.

It makes things much harder for the RCMP, but they have no choice. They can tell us it was a homicide, but the details can't be released without the family's permission, or unless they must reveal them in order to carry out their duties, eg prosecute at a trial. Whether police will decide it's necessary to fulfill their duties in writing some kind of public report, I don't know.

Better get used to it: in Canada you are not entitled to learn private things about other people from the police.

Canadian privacy law - Wikipedia

 

[Peace777]

The RCMP has said they have "significant" evidence linking the two fugitives to both crime scenes. It's not that there is "no evidence" but that LE hasn't released it yet.

But these 2 were only charged with the death of the Professor. They now can't lay charges against dead guys for Lucas and Chynna murders can they?

 

[SnooperDuper]

It could mean that there is no DNA placing them at the scene "yet", or that they cannot be placed at the scene at all.

I sincerely hope that there will be more disclosure forthcoming, because what the public knows now does little to allay fears and lingering doubts. The public needs to know more, after three weeks of telling everyone in the entire country to remain on high alert, the involvement of our national Public Safety Minister and the great investment of public funds. From all appearances, this was treated as a matter of national security. For it to end with no further information? Not good. If our national security was at risk, why are we not allowed to know?

I think that they want to release all the forensic information at once to quell any speculation, and not bit by bit (which would cause confusion). Same with the autopsy...they are not going to release preliminary information and then say, by the way, days or weeks later, here are the toxicology results. They will hold off until they have everything.

They want to complete the investigation and definitively declare that no one else was involved as well. We are by no means at the end. There will be a final report but it will be thorough and accurate and so will take some time.

 

[sandbar]

nevermind

 

[MistyWaters]

I understand and share the desire to know details and to try to make sense of why and how things happened. But I increasingly understand why Kam’s family has only made one statement and why the family of the deceased would desire limited information being made public. A little bit of information in the mix seems to act like chum in the water for endless speculation.

So given that there will be no trial, I cannot see the need for the details of cause of death of the victims being made public. And if I was a member of a suspect’s family, I would not say anything further. The media and entertainment industry can meet/fuel the public’s desire for details but if I was a member of the botanist’s family I would not care to have his death be the subject of the same speculation that has developed regarding the couple. What purpose would these details really serve other than satisfying curiosity?

I expect that after the autopsy and investigation are complete that the RCMP will provide a report. But I expect that it will not tell nearly all they know/suspect and will be far later than the current public interest/news cycle would hope. I hope it provides sufficient details for the Canadian public to assess the adequacy of their public services/response. But again, given that their will be no trial, I expect any public report will be less busy informative/conclusive than those who have been following the case would desire. I believe many questions posed in this forum will never have an answer .

My thoughts exactly. And if I were a family member of one of the victims, I wouldn’t want any additional details about their deaths released in the future either, in the absence of a murder trial.

I’d want my loved ones only remembered for the joy, goodness and happiness in life which they gave others, not their actions, bodily positioning and injuries inflicted upon death. I can be certain I’d say the court of public opinion doesn’t need to know that.

 

[Optics]

July 21 is actual date of tweet by AUS reporter Alexis citing Canada police are hunting for the teens after 3rd body located.

The "tip" and status change of teens by RCMP from 'missing' to 'suspect' is cited as July 23.

Why did AUS know the teens were suspects on 7/21 before RCMP announced to public on 7/23?

I think that was their way of saying it, a few of their articles were a little skewed in wording. They likely should have said : .... hunting for missing teens. Or used the more accurate "searching for teens".

 

[Only4Justice]

In no particular order, my guesses are:
1) One, the other, or both
2) Mother Nature
3)Some hungry bear.

I vote for 2)

 

[sandbar]

I wonder why K&B didn't torch L&C's van. It's the 1/3 vehicles that didn't get set on fire.

 

[Optics]

I think that was their way of saying it, a few of their articles were a little skewed in wording. They likely should have said : .... hunting for missing teens. Or used the more accurate "searching for teens". They were still trying to establish Mr. Dyck's identity that day, but who knows what inside info the reporter may have extracted, they are 13 hours ahead of BC in time too.

 

[Zella]

I think that was their way of saying it, a few of their articles were a little skewed in wording. They likely should have said : .... hunting for missing teens. Or used the more accurate "searching for teens".

Agreed! I've been following the case from before they were even mentioned missing and the focus was just on the dead bodies by the van. Though there had been speculation on here about the two teens being involved, it wasn't until the 23rd that RCMP made that official. I had literally just posted something on here defending them as 2 innocents caught up in someone else's murder spree when someone said a press conference was coming at 11 am local time. And a press conference for an update on the LF/CD case was coming at the same time. Before, LE had done the press conferences on the 2 cases at different times. As soon as I saw that, I thought, "Oh crap. They did it!"

 

[Gina20]

If it's tap-capable, you can usually buy anything for under $100.

And Canadians whole-heartedly have embraced debit cards since they were invented. The challenge of using tap cards outside of big urban centres remains. Once they got to places like Meadow Lake and Split Lake, the tap could have run dry, IMO.

 

[KR72]

Agreed! I've been following the case from before they were even mentioned missing and the focus was just on the dead bodies by the van. Though there had been speculation on here about the two teens being involved, it wasn't until the 23rd that RCMP made that official. I had literally just posted something on here defending them as 2 innocents caught up in someone else's murder spree when someone said a press conference was coming at 11 am local time. And a press conference for an update on the LF/CD case was coming at the same time. Before, LE had done the press conferences on the 2 cases at different times. As soon as I saw that, I thought, "Oh crap. They did it!"

I remember being worried for their safety and rumors were flying around on Twitter about who people thought the culprit was.

 

[Link Haze]

I wonder why K&B didn't torch L&C's van. It's the 1/3 vehicles that didn't get set on fire.

Would have had to get more gas (costly) just to burn it. They needed to conserve their money and may have never been in it (so no dna left behind to necessitate destroying it).

 

[NJSleuth91]

Yes, it is possible YouTube took it down. I think Facebook took down their pages, too, though their Instagrams are still up. I never heard of them being on Twitter. I can't find them under any of their usual names on YouTube or Twitch, but I might just not know how to look or--as you say--the accounts were removed.

I know Bryer's Facebook was archived in the Wayback Machine right after they were charged with murder, but there isn't much information on there because it was mostly set to private.

I'm weirdly impressed with BS knowing about Saransk. I'm a pretty avid reader of Russian history, and that's a new one on me. BS may well have been more of a reader than KM, despite the latter's Lovecraft shirt. I haven't seen enough of BS's writing to know what to make of it, but I noticed the spelling in KM's Instagram page is absolutely atrocious. Not even just texting speak. Using the wrong words. I know it's social media and he was apparently 14/15 when he was active on the site, but it made my inner former English teacher eye twitch.

Hey well you have to know about history in order to be able to properly "speak of politics." But yeah, of COURSE he would know about some super esoteric thing like that. Would you really expect anything less? The rabbit hole of weird little details in this case continues ad infinitum. I bet they're going to have some really strange cause of death too, or even worse, "inconclusive."

I didn't even know Kam had an Instagram...it looks like SEO buried it under a bunch of articles about the murders.

 

[Zella]

I remember being worried for their safety and rumors were flying around on Twitter about who people thought the culprit was.

I was so worried about them, too! Admittedly, I thought BS looked a bit creepy, but I thought KM looked like a nice kid, and like that one mom who knew him from WM, thought he had a nice smile. But I thought BS looking creepy didn't mean he was creepy, and I just wanted them to get home safely to their folks. I felt like I was punched in the face when they announced they were suspects after I'd spent a couple of days worrying about their safety.

 

[SnooperDuper]

But these 2 were only charged with the death of the Professor. They now can't lay charges against dead guys for Lucas and Chynna murders can they?

No, they can't lay charges against dead people. They will provide a report summarizing the investigation and stating why they would have charged the two, though.

In Toronto a guy opened fire on the Danforth, killing two, and then shot himself dead, and it took the police over a year to release their report on the investigation. The crime occurred April 2018, and the report was released June 2019.

Toronto police reveal details of Danforth shooting investigation

The crimes of the BC fugitives spanned several provinces and as a multi-jurisdictional case it may take even longer than 14 months to see a final report. It's not going to be, it's next week and LE are providing all the answers to all the questions that people have. Everyone is going to be in the dark until LE releases their final conclusions a long time from now.

If the crimes had gone to trial though, it would have taken a couple years before the trial began and new information was released in the courtroom. I think people will get answers more quickly the way it turned out, but it's not going to seem quick to anybody.

 

[Zella]

I know Bryer's Facebook was archived in the Wayback Machine right after they were charged with murder, but there isn't much information on there because it was mostly set to private.



Hey well you have to know about history in order to be able to properly "speak of politics." But yeah, of COURSE he would know about some super esoteric thing like that. Would you really expect anything less? The rabbit hole of weird little details in this case continues ad infinitum. I bet they're going to have some really strange cause of death too, or even worse, "inconclusive."

I didn't even know Kam had an Instagram...it looks like SEO buried it under a bunch of articles about the murders.

I bookmarked their Instagrams early. I didn't get a chance to look at their FBs when they were up, which I regret now.

Kam (@kam.mcleod911) • Instagram photos and videos

bryer (@bryer_schmegelsky) • Instagram photos and videos

There's not a lot there, and KM's hadn't been publicly updated in a few years. BS just has 1 pic, plus the profile pic, and I can't see when that was uploaded. The other pic was from June. I wonder if he had scrubbed his of content recently.

 

[Link Haze]

I was so worried about them, too! Admittedly, I thought BS looked a bit creepy, but I thought KM looked like a nice kid, and like that one mom who knew him from WM, thought he had a nice smile. But I thought BS looking creepy didn't mean he was creepy, and I just wanted them to get home safely to their folks. I felt like I was punched in the face when they announced they were suspects after I'd spent a couple of days worrying about their safety.

BS just needs a narrow black mustache, and guess who he looks like?

 

[MistyWaters]

‘Clutching at straws’: From B.C. fugitives to U.S. shootings, popular culture the usual suspect in search for answers

Interesting look back over time in the public’s quest for answers in what outside influence might be motivating young people to commit totally senseless murders.

In a 1948 murder the blame was placed on youth reading too many crime comic books

“...While restrictions on comic book violence didn’t stop acts of violence in real life, in the decades since, similar equations have since been made for everything from cartoons to Westerns to heavy metal music, and, most recently, video games.....

...... then what is the solution? Don’t show violence, don’t show evil, don’t show any of the aspects of human nature that most frighten and distress us,” Ms. Harron wrote then, describing an alternative in which cinema, literature and drama would be limited to life-affirming stories. “And does anyone really believe that serial killers and violence against women and teenage shootings would then disappear?”...”