Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #15

[Zella]

It's so good to see some compassion here. I believe the same thing. Alan S. has no one, and it is not uncommon for lonely people to talk to anyone who will listen, especially if they are a talker. Without his need to communicate (which is very human and quite common), we wouldn't know as much about the circumstances under which Bryer was raised.

I don't think most people here would consider Alan to be mentally ill if they met him at the supermarket or he showed up at your garage sale.

There's been a lot of media focus on how troubled and "in pain" BS must have been, to go on a murder spree. But Kam has to be "troubled" and "in pain" too, right?

Most families have dynamics that can be criticized if one of their kids becomes a heinous murderer.

Bryer's dad reminds me of people I knew when I worked at a public library. Some of them were homeless; most of them had mental health issues and quite a few also had criminal records. They could sometimes be hard to deal with, but most of them were so pitiful, you just sort of learned to overlook that. And many of them were actually quite enjoyable to chat with and interesting to talk to. And they often treated library staff like close family and friends because they had nobody else in their lives.

It broke my heart then, and because of that, every time I see AS, no matter how ostensibly ill-advised his media appearance is, he just fills me with a profound sadness. I sincerely hope he can get some help because he seems like a man who was badly hurting before all this and is very lost now.

 

[PeoZ]

Okay, I'm going to cave and ask: what does DBM stand for?

 

[Zella]

Addendum in regard to Bryer's dad: I think as someone noticed, some of what he says is actually very insightful. I think he is just gobsmacked and trying to process what would be an unimaginable and overwhelming experience for anyone.

 

[1987]

what happens to a firearm in Canada if say grandfather had one and had the proper paper work in place to have it but grandfather dies? do the police come and get the firearm? what if grandmother wants to keep it but has no intent to ever use it or buy ammo for it? I am just trying to understand where firearms from a estate go.

 

[scrappinkat]

Yeah, I think there is a good chance the RCMP will tell us this, so why the unending wild speculation? There is absolutely no reason to go in any one direction on this, so the discussion has basically been everybody naming every possible way they can think of to get a gun. I don't see how that is helpful.

I agree but then I have thought that about 99% of the wild speculation that’s presented on here lol

 

[Gina20]

Was this you? The car actually was insured, but the driver wasn't. Normally the insurance company will pay the loss to fix or replace, but subrogate the driver who didn't have insurance (sue them for the damages). So this example doesn't really make sense but I am not sure if that is because of how the post is written?

Cars do not get sent to any government department for uninsured vehicles. So not sure what information is getting crossed here.

Also if there was a third party, the person who was hit I assume, they would be certainly be filled on the situation. Minors in the fact of driving laws are not protected by publication bans. This post has some major holes.

It is real. The case, not the car, was taken over by the government as an uninsured driver. The mother's insurance was no longer involved with the car that had been hit because she had reported her car stolen. The government contracted the case out to a private insurance company to deal with it. The owner of the car that was hit was not allowed to know what was happening with the boy, citing privacy regulations because the boy was a minor. The insurance company for the driver who was hit would not allow the driver to fix the car until the agreement with the government contractor was settled. They did, however, pay for physiotherapy.

The point being, if these two had some similar issues in the past, I doubt that we'd ever know. Some kids walk the fine line of knowing what they can get away with as a minor.

 

[1987]

Okay, I'm going to cave and ask: what does DBM stand for?

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[Gina20]

what happens to a firearm in Canada if say grandfather had one and had the proper paper work in place to have it but grandfather dies? do the police come and get the firearm? what if grandmother wants to keep it but has no intent to ever use it or buy ammo for it? I am just trying to understand where firearms from a estate go.

If the person died before the current legislation was enacted, let's say in 1998, and the gun was never registered, the government might not know it is there. There may not be any paperwork involved.

 

[sandbar]

Right. It seems the people discussing Steam (and gaming in general) don't have much experience with it. There is nothing about Steam that would lend itself to illegal activities.

My suggestion is anyone discussing gaming, go download Steam and get an account. There are many free games to play and you can get some experience with the interface. A few hours into an online game and it becomes clear people are logged on to play, not connect with the black market. There are FAR more efficient ways to do that.

Always great to have a gamer's perspective.

My understanding is that it's not the platform/app/game per se, but the unmonitored chat functions that facilitate illegal activities. And, the platforms/apps/games/whatevers that facilitate real life, real time conversations are easy to exploit that way too. The thought isn't that gamers are bad people, necessarily, but that bad guys can exploit the functionality of sites that gamers use.

What are the far more efficient ways? I'd truly like to know.

 

[JuneBug67]

If the person died before the current legislation was enacted, let's say in 1998, and the gun was never registered, the government might not know it is there. There may not be any paperwork involved.

Just to clarify for others, the government would only know about restricted firearms like handguns. The long gun registry was abolished in 2012 and all records ordered destroyed. Quebec tried to fight the destruction of the records, but lost in court. So the government knows nothing about long guns past or present at this point.

 

[1987]

Just to clarify for others, the government would only know about restricted firearms like handguns. The long gun registry was abolished in 2012 and all records ordered destroyed. Quebec tried to fight the destruction of the records, but lost in court. So the government knows nothing about long guns past or present at this point.

so anyone can have a long firearm now? or does this just apply to estates?

 

[Kaley Smith]

It's really easy to get a gun in Canada. It is a MYTH that it is not. It is probably just as easy here as it is in the US.

No, it's harder to get a gun here in my opinion. If you want to do it legally, you have to jump through a lot of hoops. If illegally, you have to have connections with gangs, shady friends or a family member.

 

[Zella]

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I really doubt it came from Instagram, if it exists. I've been creeping on Bryer's and Kam's Instagram from early on and don't remember anything that blatantly disturbing.

I think if it is out there, it comes from the collection of disturbing photos he shared with fellow Steam players.

MOO

 

[lettertothestars]

Sorry that I didn’t link the article the first time. Here’s the bit that discusses the photo of BS with the gun in his mouth (air soft or real, I’m not quite sure).

“VICE obtained another disturbing photo linked to Schmegelsky’s Instagram page, which is now deleted, showing the teen with what appears to be a gun barrel in his mouth. It’s unclear if the gun is real. VICE has decided not to use the graphic photo”

Dark Portrait Emerging of Teenage BC Murder Suspect

 

[sandbar]

so anyone can have a long firearm now? or does this just apply to estates?

Check it out...
Registration of firearms (individuals) - Royal Canadian Mounted Police

 

[Gina20]

Just to clarify for others, the government would only know about restricted firearms like handguns. The long gun registry was abolished in 2012 and all records ordered destroyed. Quebec tried to fight the destruction of the records, but lost in court. So the government knows nothing about long guns past or present at this point.

Unless they go into people's houses during an emergency and seize them.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rc...iver-gun-seizures-during-2013-flood-1.2954483

 

[Optics]

It has been said here that KM's parents are well to do and run their own business in PA, so they might already have a family lawyer that handles their business affairs. It is possible their lawyer is advising them.
I feel them being silent is the best position for them to take under the circumstances. Better than running off at the mouth and having something said under such emotional stress come back to bite them later?
JMO

Yes and I absolutely don't disagree, I get that part, I feel it's more the MSM - just because there is some bits of info out there on Bryer doesn't mean Kam isn't culpable, but people and media tend to draw the the bits of info known on one person and sometimes it just gets parsed ad nauseum, and the other partner in crime slips out of the radar. I get it I'm just not happy about it because it does create that mentality of 'cut from a different cloth' among people.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I really doubt it came from Instagram, if it exists. I've been creeping on Bryer's and Kam's Instagram from early on and don't remember anything that blatantly disturbing.

I think if it is out there, it comes from the collection of disturbing photos he shared with fellow Steam players.

MOO

Maybe. Either way the important thing is if it exists. If it does, and it sounds like it does, that's honestly the most shocking detail of this case so far IMO. That nobody did anything.

 

[Zella]

Sorry that I didn’t link the article the first time. Here’s the bit that discusses the photo of BS with the gun in his mouth (air soft or real, I’m not quite sure).



Dark Portrait Emerging of Teenage BC Murder Suspect

Thank you! He must have had multiple accounts, maybe?

 

[NJSleuth91]

Thank you! He must have had multiple accounts, maybe?

I think they meant that photo was deleted from his Instagram, not that the entire account was deleted.