Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #15

[Zella]

it is clear by watching the interviews with AS that he truly loved his child, cared deeply and is heartbroken by all of this pain caused to the victims, their families and the impact in his own life through the loss of his son.

Agreed! I do think that AS genuinely loved his kid, regardless of whatever his other issues were or are.

 

[MistyWaters]

Well, he kind of did, it was hinted at in the excerpts of the book that the media published.

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The book is not a factual source. What’s been novelized or factionalized we don’t know but even AS didn’t present it as a truthful memoire of facts.

BBM

“Alan Schmegelsky, the father of 18-year-old Bryer Schmegelsky, sent a book to reporters this week titled “Red Flagged,” which he says is a novelization of actual events and fictionalizes some incidents...”
Father of B.C. murder suspect pens book, details troubled life

 

[KR72]

One tactic of emotional abusers and people who gaslight others is to accuse the other party of what they themselves are guilty of. As of right now AS is the only person who's drug abuse has been substantiated.

 

[otto]

Exactly my thoughts and I'd put money on it; and, it happens way too often. I do believe there's an element of alienation that is highlight by how this all went down. When the boys were officially announced by the RCMP as being "Missing Persons" … AS found out by seeing it splashed all over the front pages of the paper. This tells us that the simple gesture of letting "dad" know of his missing status prior to the names becoming public did not occur. The RCMP would not have released such prior to the NOK (Next of Kin) being told and that NOK did not request that AS be notified prior too.

In my line of work's experience with the Feds, NOK are given the ability to notify extended family members prior to the release of information on/names of an individual into the public domain by the RCMP, DND etc. Remember, at the time, these boys were just "missing" and not "wanted" which is a whole different ballgame. Whoever the NOK was, and I have my suspicions, did not exercise the ability to make the notification, or have the RCMP make the notification on their behalf, to AS prior to the public announcement. What a horrific thing to find out via a newspaper's front page.

And, IMO, it is clear by watching the interviews with AS that he truly loved his child, cared deeply and is heartbroken by all of this pain caused to the victims, their families and the impact in his own life through the loss of his son.

My heart breaks for the victims, their families and AS.

There does seem to be a bit of an undertone to all of this where we see a father who suffered for 10 years in relation to the absence of a relationship with his son. As you point out, the fact that no one saw fit to inform him that his son was missing implies that no one bothered to communicate anything about Bryer to the father over the years. It seems that he believes that he was sounding the alarm the entire time and no one was listening.

 

[SiciC]

I have no doubts that Alan loved his kid, wanted a relationship with him and was trying to do that. I personally think Bryer was used as a pawn a bit in the divorce, used by each parent to hurt the other, as it sounds like they were extremely bitter towards each other and didn't want to give each other anything. I just get that impression from Alan's rantings in his memoir about her, and the fact that the divorce & custody battles lasted a long time. Regardless, I think both of his parents loved Bryer but he was stuck in the middle of a fairly hostile situation at a very young age that surely effected him negatively.
jmo.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Maybe. Maybe not. The system is really broken. My mom easily got full custody of us and she had literally tried to murder us in the past. Things are overlooked all the time. If both parents are off the rails but one is way more obvious about it than the other, social services is probably only going to focus on the obviously off the rails parent.

I guess we are all touched by our personal situation. One of my parents was a grievance collector, constantly alleging unsubstantiated abuse, and a gaslighter, so AS sets my spidey senses tingling. (And I'll add as a kid I was blind to this parent's poor behaviour because it seemed "normal". It was all I knew.)

 

[Zella]

I have no doubts that Alan loved his kid, wanted a relationship with him and was trying to do that. I personally think Bryer was used as a pawn a bit in the divorce, used by each parent to hurt the other, as it sounds like they were extremely bitter towards each other and didn't want to give each other anything. I just get that impression from Alan's rantings in his memoir about her, and the fact that the divorce & custody battles lasted a long time. Regardless, I think both of his parents loved Bryer but he was stuck in the middle of a fairly hostile situation at a very young age that surely effected him negatively.
jmo.

You've summed up my thoughts on the situation much better than I did.

 

[MistyWaters]

Unpopular Opinion: We are not entitled to answers about the northern B.C. murders - PrinceGeorgeMatters.com

This is a really informative report, also linked earlier, explaining several reasons why the RCMP do not inform the general public of evidence being gathered during an active investigation. The answers are all here to the question - why don’t we know (how/what/when/why/where) ......?

 

[NJSleuth91]

The book is not a factual source. What’s been novelized or factionalized we don’t know but even AS didn’t present it as a truthful memoire of facts.

BBM

“Alan Schmegelsky, the father of 18-year-old Bryer Schmegelsky, sent a book to reporters this week titled “Red Flagged,” which he says is a novelization of actual events and fictionalizes some incidents...”
Father of B.C. murder suspect pens book, details troubled life

Yeah that's why I'm saying I don't actually believe stuff was going on necessarily based on his account. However, that being said, we can't 100% say for sure it's untrue, and I think the accounts of their neighbor and other people of Bryer having an "[expletive]" home life are a much bigger piece of evidence for me, that something may have been going on.

One tactic of emotional abusers and people who gaslight others is to accuse the other party of what they themselves are guilty of. As of right now AS is the only person who's drug abuse has been substantiated.

That's exactly what I said in a prior post, but there either was a glitch or it got removed. But, you know, if one person in a relationship uses drugs, that vastly increases the chance the other one does too...and if (this is all speculation) say a medical test at some point indicated Bryer tested positive for drug exposure, it's possible there could be some finger-pointing going on.

I guess we are all touched by our personal situation. One of my parents was a grievance collector, constantly alleging unsubstantiated abuse, and a gaslighter, so AS sets my spidey senses tingling. (And I'll add as a kid I was blind to this parent's poor behaviour because it seemed "normal".)

Well, this isn't just based on my experience, this is based on tons of stuff I've read about social services, some in the news, some not. The system misses things literally all the time, more often than not really.

Plus as I said, why would Bryer's home life from ages 11-13, long after his dad was gone, be described by his friend's mom (who was a neighbor and so likely saw and overheard things) as "[expletive]"? To me that doesn't just indicate "having trouble adjusting to a new family life," "has behavioral problems and doesn't get along with his mom," or "they're poor," it indicates an external bad situation, the sort of thing that people see happening and don't do anything to stop. JMO.

 

[MistyWaters]

Exactly my thoughts and I'd put money on it; and, it happens way too often. I do believe there's an element of alienation that is highlight by how this all went down. When the boys were officially announced by the RCMP as being "Missing Persons" … AS found out by seeing it splashed all over the front pages of the paper. This tells us that the simple gesture of letting "dad" know of his missing status prior to the names becoming public did not occur. The RCMP would not have released such prior to the NOK (Next of Kin) being told and that NOK did not request that AS be notified prior too.

In my line of work's experience with the Feds, NOK are given the ability to notify extended family members prior to the release of information on/names of an individual into the public domain by the RCMP, DND etc. Remember, at the time, these boys were just "missing" and not "wanted" which is a whole different ballgame. Whoever the NOK was, and I have my suspicions, did not exercise the ability to make the notification, or have the RCMP make the notification on their behalf, to AS prior to the public announcement. What a horrific thing to find out via a newspaper's front page.

And, IMO, it is clear by watching the interviews with AS that he truly loved his child, cared deeply and is heartbroken by all of this pain caused to the victims, their families and the impact in his own life through the loss of his son.

My heart breaks for the victims, their families and AS.

Oddly, by defining continued support to the “Port Alberni families” in this public statement below during the most recent PC, the B.C. RCMP appeared to intentionally and deliberately exclude AS for some reason. By the time the suspects were found deceased, it was public knowledge by AS’s own account that he did not reside in Port Alberni.

“We'll also continue to offer support to the Port Alberni families of the two men as they deal with these difficult developments."...”
Manhunt ends: Bodies believed to be B.C. murder suspects found in northern Manitoba

 

[Vern]

One tactic of emotional abusers and people who gaslight others is to accuse the other party of what they themselves are guilty of. As of right now AS is the only person who's drug abuse has been substantiated.

As of right now, he also happens to be the family member who found out via the front page of the paper. That is an indication of something.

 

[Esprite]

I have to wonder why, if AS thought that BS was drug-damaged in 2008, he didn't tell the media that, if that could explain everything. Perhaps he did learn a lesson from the courts to not make false allegations?

I've posted this before, but the Canadian family court system puts the child's safety and well-being above any family acrimony when making any decisions on the child's behalf.

 

[Vern]

Oddly, by defining continued support to the “Port Alberni families” in this public statement, the B.C. RCMP appeared to intentionally and deliberately exclude AS for some reason. By the time the suspects were found deceased, it was public knowledge by AS’s own account that he did not reside in Port Alberni.

“We'll also continue to offer support to the Port Alberni families of the two men as they deal with these difficult developments."...”
Manhunt ends: Bodies believed to be B.C. murder suspects found in northern Manitoba

Because AS is not the NOK; it is up to the deceased's NOK (in the case of a minor [and I think the son was 18& under] the NOK is usually the custodial parent) to determine which family require notifications and support.

 

[Zella]

Plus as I said, why would Bryer's home life from ages 11-13, long after his dad was gone, be described by his friend's mom (who was a neighbor and so likely saw and overheard things) as "[expletive]"? To me that doesn't just indicate "having trouble adjusting to a new family life," "has behavioral problems and doesn't get along with his mom," or "they're poor," it indicates an external bad situation, the sort of thing that people see happening and don't do anything to stop. JMO.

SBM

Just MOO, but his parents had been fighting over him for quite a while by the time he was 11.

I think, regardless of who did what or who was at fault, Bryer associated both of his parents with turmoil and, for that reason, preferred the company of people not associated with his family. We don't know what it was like at the McLeod home, but I think it was a lot more stable and ostensibly calmer than what Bryer was used to.

And I think one of the reasons Bryer probably liked Kam is he was apparently pretty pleasant to get along with, at least according to most everyone who talks about him. Probably nowhere near the intense fighting and drama that seemed to have accompanied his parents' divorce.

At least one of Kam's friends also described Kam's personality as "calm," and it seems like he was outwardly calmer on the joyride than Bryer, who was described as "paranoid-looking" by a couple of different witnesses. I get the impression Bryer was pretty high-strung or at least nervous, and I think Bryer probably had greatly depended on Kam to be "the calm one" ever since they were little kids.

 

[KR72]

That's exactly what I said in a prior post, but there either was a glitch or it got removed. But, you know, if one person in a relationship uses drugs, that vastly increases the chance the other one does too...and if (this is all speculation) say a medical test at some point indicated Bryer tested positive for drug exposure, it's possible there could be some finger-pointing going on.

All very true! Also, people who do things like accuse others of cheating, or sometimes even drug/alcohol abuse for vindictive reasons are often the ones with the problem.

Here we have AS making accusations against his ex, yet he's the one who admittedly had a substance abuse problem and neglected teeth. He insinuated that Bryer's mom allowed her son to be raised on YouTube and video games, but he's the one who bought Bryer the expensive gaming computer. He says that YouTube and games were a negative influence, but then goes right out to buy the kid a gaming computer. It doesn't add up, and to me it shows he loved his son very much, but his words aren't always reliable.

There's no doubt in my mind that AS loved his son dearly, I just believe that he isn't capable of providing any stability. Who knows what the whole situation was, but it's all very sad.

 

[FactFinder3000]

Unpopular Opinion: We are not entitled to answers about the northern B.C. murders - PrinceGeorgeMatters.com

This is a really informative report, also linked earlier, explaining several reasons why the RCMP do not inform the general public of evidence being gathered during an active investigation. The answers are all here to the question - why don’t we know (how/what/when/why/where) ......?

That really wasn't the topic of debate, though. As the article states, "They had an obligation to warn the public." The debate here was whether or not that warning was timely enough, or went far enough.

They definitely have good reasons for holding back information. But that has to be balanced with public safety concerns.

 

[Errrr]

As of right now, he also happens to be the family member who found out via the front page of the paper. That is an indication of something.

What address do you contact homeless people through?

 

[otto]

Because AS is not the NOK; it is up to the deceased's NOK (in the case of a minor [and I think the son was 18& under] the NOK is usually the custodial parent) to determine which family require notifications and support.

There's also common courtesy and decency. Knowing what we know about the father's issues, it's almost predictable that he would go off the deep end after learning through the news that his son was missing.

He did go off the deep end, visibly distraught and crying in front of cameras. Maybe that could have been avoided if he had been quietly and respectfully informed, and offered victim services support. That's something for RCMP to consider going forward - the responsibility to inform both parents regardless of parental conflict.

 

[MistyWaters]

I've posted this before, but the Canadian family court system puts the child's safety and well-being above any family acrimony when making any decisions on the child's behalf.

The Canadian family court definitely puts the child’s safety and well-being first when granting custody and access. I’m certain the circumstances involving a Criminal Harassment conviction against one of the parties would also be considered as well.

CRIMINAL HARASSMENT
Prepared by the Canadian Resource Centre for Victims of Crime

“Senator Donald Oliver describes stalking as “a horrific crime that is treated far too lightly by the police, prosecutors, lawyers and judges. Stalking is predatory in nature and plunges the victim into a world of fear and terror. We must protect the victim and society. A stalker’s efforts to control and intimidate often escalate into violence.”....

264. (1) Criminal harassment - No person shall, without lawful authority and knowing that another person is harassed or recklessly as to whether the other is harassed, engage in conduct referred to in subsection (2) that causes that other person reasonable, in all circumstances, to fear for their safety or the safety of anyone known to them.
https://www.crcvc.ca/docs/crimharass.pdf

 

[FactFinder3000]

What address do you contact homeless people through?

"He showed The Canadian Press recent photos and videos of his son on his phone."

source: Father of B.C. murder suspect pens book, details troubled life