Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #17

[copkid]

Credit to @catdctr who originally shared this, I lost the quote. I had never seen this until now, this just blows my mind. So according to this salon, Kam and Bryer would have been in Meadow Lake for two days! How on earth did those two boys make it from the crime scene of Leonard Dyck to Meadow Lake in that amount of time? It's a 23 hour drive! Unbelievable.

P.S. Judging by the surveillance footage taken on the 21st, two days after this alleged encounter, those don't exactly look like "fresh cuts." A trim maybe, but something seems fishy.

Suspects got haircuts in M.L. - Northern Pride

This sighting would be impossible. Their burning truck was found 50km south of Dease Lake on July 19th.
This salon owner is claiming they got haircuts in the early afternoon July 19th.
Dease Lake BC to Meadow Lake Sk is a 2,117.9km or 24 hour drive.
No way this is possible. JMO

 

[srper2]

Credit to @catdctr who originally shared this, I lost the quote. I had never seen this until now, this just blows my mind. So according to this salon, Kam and Bryer would have been in Meadow Lake for two days! How on earth did those two boys make it from the crime scene of Leonard Dyck to Meadow Lake in that amount of time? It's a 23 hour drive! Unbelievable.

P.S. Judging by the surveillance footage taken on the 21st, two days after this alleged encounter, those don't exactly look like "fresh cuts." A trim maybe, but something seems fishy.

Suspects got haircuts in M.L. - Northern Pride

Strange, how could their burning pickup truck be found on 19th, along with Mr D's body near Deese lake, and the 2 suspects be having haircuts the same afternoon in Meadow Lake? Surely the hairdresser got it wrong? But don't they usually have a book in the salon that they write appointments in, which could confirm if 2 men came in together for haircuts that day?

 

[CinNC]

This may be a preposterous notion, but this is the Internet so I'm going to say it anyway; what if there's a reason they burned the truck and RAV4, one we haven't yet considered?

What if the vehicles were stuck? Looking at photos of the burned truck, it appears its on an up incline, just past a shallow depression. With a camper on the back, and muddy soil, I could see that getting stuck.
Then the original location of the RAV, where it's on fire... I really can't see orange peels surviving that fire, so what if they were merely around the car? That's fit with them basically camping in the car, only to find it stuck. And, they managed to get it stuck in the mud inside a town (Cold Lake) in perhaps the only spot inside that town where that could be achieved.

Could it be this simple; the vehicles got stuck, so they burned them to try to cover their trail?

I know this is more than a bit far-fetched, but so is a lot about this case that we know to be true.

I thought the same, and then realized they may have been eating outside the RAV4 while they torched it, and then dropped what they didn't eat and left. Otherwise, you are right, the food wouldn't have survived the fire. MAYBE the pork chop bones, would. But I'm guessing they bought the food somewhere along the way and were just getting around to eating it when they torched the RAV4.

I also read (weeks ago) that someone determined they took a turn too fast and skidded off into the ditch with the RAV4. So maybe they couldnt get it out or it wouldn't start. JMO, as always.

 

[Gina20]

I’m really curious if Kam had been talking with one of his online buddies and had received what he believed to be a genuine offer of work up north.
I say Kam because Bryer didn’t tell his dad until last possible moment, he only told his grandmother and Uncle the day before. I imagine if it was him that had the offer of employment he would have mentioned it to them the day before. At this point we do not know what, if anything, Kam told his parents.
Imagining that Kam believed there was a whole new world about to open up for him it would make sense that he prepared for it in the sense of getting money together, for the trip and food for a while until getting a pay check from new job. Applying for PAL and buying a hunting rifle could have been because they expected to be up north and hunting season was only a month away. Could have even been something a potential employer suggested. I can see him asking if his best friend could also find work, partly because I believe he felt protective of Bryer and also because they were best friends. It would also make sense to pack up their desktops etc. That to me says there was some long term consideration given of setting up in a work camp or even a bachelor type pad and working. (also you don’t buy a hunting rifle to go on a killing spree, you would buy something more capable of quick sustained repeatable ease of shooting)

Somewhere something went drastically wrong and that’s when it became a public mystery in real time.

For my own personal attempt at trying to understand if anything could have been done to prevent this, what red flags could be used for possibly helping prevent something like this from happening again.
•What preempted the leaving of Port Alberni? Was it a genuine effort of obtaining work or was that an excuse given. Family, friends, digital trail might be able to offer some insight about this. Digital trail might offer the most insight.
•What transpired in the days before Lucas and Chynna were killed? Dash cam, highway cams and people reporting their interactions with them could help answer this.
•Did Kam and Bryer actually meet Lucas and Chynna on the road somewhere before and interacted with them or were they bonafide strangers to them.
•Evidence that they were responsible for the murders of Lucas and Chynna?
•Why hang around if they were responsible for the murders of Lucas and Chynna?
•Was needing a vehicle the only reason Leonard Dyck died? Was there something else that resulted in his murder and taking his car was because of that?

I know that it’s unlikely the police report will be that thorough. I imagine that it will be years before the public learns enough to feel like they finally know what happened. At this point the public is only a curious peanut gallery, but I do hope all the families learn enough to not be tortured by what ifs and why.

Back when Kubirai made a map of the route they took out of northern B.C. after the murders, passing through Dawson Creek and into Alberta, I noted that this route would have taken them past Gordondale and Rycroft. This is where the Weders, owners of the ranch near Hudson's Hope, also had property.

I just wanted to make note of this. Maybe it's nothing.

 

[cartman]

IMO the haircut story didn’t gain traction for a reason. It says Kam asked for the beard to be shaved off but to leave a goatee, that was on the 19th. Yet the surveillance footage from the Co-op on the 21st shows him with a beard.

 

[Bluedaisy100]

Maybe that was the sole reason they worked at Walmart for 2 paychecks each. Enough to buy a second gun, ammo, some supplies, gas, not forgetting BS's new suit.

Maybe AS got it wrong about the suit. It seems he already had one. Father of Canadian teen suspected of murder says his son is on a 'suicide mission' | | Express Digest

 

[MistyWaters]

I've always wondered about that statement by the news reporter about the sign in AS's window. It doesn't make sense with what we've read about AS's homelessness...

IIRC what AS said was he didn’t have a “permanent” address.

I think CTV knows where to find him because they interviewed him earlier.

 

[Zella]

I've seen the haircut story before, but as far as I know, it's never been confirmed by RCMP. I don't think the dates or the detail about Kam's beard, as someone else noted, match up with what we know to be true.

Also, in every confirmed sighting, witnesses usually mentioned that they were fairly quiet. The guy who pulled them out of the mud said he did most of the talking. The gas station clerk at Split Lake also said they were quiet. I don't see them volunteering info on where they were going, even to throw off LE.

That link to the witness who saw them in the hardware store is interesting--i have never seen that. Matching some of our discussion yesterday about whether or not they were memorable, she said they were both noticeably tall.

 

[Jen-Knee]

I think if any of the families chose to move away from PA it won't be because the other family lives there, but because it's a small town and they want to get away from everyone knowing their child is a suspected murderer. Kam's younger sister starts school in two weeks. Kids can be so cruel sometimes. I don't think I'd be able to stay there after all they have gone through.

 

[Jen-Knee]

I'm still trying to comprehend these drive times. There was this report that the Grandmother Carol Starkey spoke to them on July 13th or 14th and they said Whitehorse wasn't what they thought it would be. It's a 36 hour drive from Port Alberni to Whitehorse. How on earth did Kam and Bryer make it to Whitehorse in one or two days and decide they didn't like it. That's a lot of driving and no sleeping and it's so hard the body & mind. I remember (two years ago today in fact) I drove home after the Solar Eclipse in Nebraska after spending the night and it took me 14.5 hours to get home (just outside Minneapolis) in the eclipse traffic and construction and I will tell you after 14.5 hours of doing all the driving I was down for the count. By the time I got home I was so completely exhausted I was seeing shooting stars and hallucinating seeing deer. Now had Kam and Breyer done the 36 hour drive with stops over night and sleeping in the camper I would estimate it took them at least 3 days to get up there. I also remember I did a 26 hour drive to Seattle myself and with 12-14 hours a day on the road and stopping at night. It still took me three straight days to get to Seattle from just across the border from Minneapolis in Wisconsin.

UPDATE: Missing men now suspects in northern B.C. murder cases - KamloopsMatters.com

I always just assumed they lied about arriving in Whitehorse, although I can't figure out why they would. It would be interesting to hear what Kam's family was told in regards to what their plan was.

 

[NJSleuth91]

A more recent article.
https://meadowlakenow.com/2019/08/0...-spotting-b-c-murder-suspects-informing-rcmp/

What's interesting is the person interviewed said: "Bryer was polite when he was talked to and he said thank you." So that means the staff in the Meadow Lake store actually interacted with them. I wonder what they said, if they were asking for any specific item, etc.

 

[MistyWaters]

I'm still trying to comprehend these drive times. There was this report that the Grandmother Carol Starkey spoke to them on July 13th or 14th and they said Whitehorse wasn't what they thought it would be. It's a 36 hour drive from Port Alberni to Whitehorse. How on earth did Kam and Bryer make it to Whitehorse in one or two days and decide they didn't like it. That's a lot of driving and no sleeping and it's so hard the body & mind. I remember (two years ago today in fact) I drove home after the Solar Eclipse in Nebraska after spending the night and it took me 14.5 hours to get home (just outside Minneapolis) in the eclipse traffic and construction and I will tell you after 14.5 hours of doing all the driving I was down for the count. By the time I got home I was so completely exhausted I was seeing shooting stars and hallucinating seeing deer. Now had Kam and Breyer done the 36 hour drive with stops over night and sleeping in the camper I would estimate it took them at least 3 days to get up there. I also remember I did a 26 hour drive to Seattle myself and with 12-14 hours a day on the road and stopping at night. It still took me three straight days to get to Seattle from just across the border from Minneapolis in Wisconsin.

UPDATE: Missing men now suspects in northern B.C. murder cases - KamloopsMatters.com

I agree, and the RCMP have never officially confirmed B&K were in Whitehorse. I think they lied in order to remove themselves from the area of Laird Hot Springs where the murders of L&C occurred and hung around Dease Lake the rest of that first week to account for the few days they were supposed to be in Whitehorse. Perhaps at one point they thought they’d just go home, pretending to be defeated from job hunting in Whitehorse and nobody would ever connect them to the murders. But then something happened to cause them to make another bad decision if they thought their distinctive truck and camper had been spotted at the murder scene. Sometimes local talk is far more informative than news reporting, for example maybe the rumour was out that others in the area had provided police with lots of dashcam footage and that sent the two in a psychotic tailspin. JMO

 

[Zella]

What's interesting is the person interviewed said: "Bryer was polite when he was talked to and he said thank you." So that means the staff in the Meadow Lake store actually interacted with them. I wonder what they said, if they were asking for any specific item, etc.

Kam blocks the view of Bryer, but as Kam is exiting, Bryer's head is turned toward the clerk at the register and seems to be speaking to her. I've also wondered if Kam talking as he leaves--he's clearly saying something--wasn't to Bryer but was instead part of a standard "have a nice day" exchange with the clerk. MOO

 

[sandbar]

I always just assumed they lied about arriving in Whitehorse, although I can't figure out why they would. It would be interesting to hear what Kam's family was told in regards to what their plan was.

Without knowing exact times that K&B left PA, when C&L left Hudsons Hope and when LD left wherever he left from, we can't figure out where their paths crossed first.

 

[CinNC]

What's interesting is the person interviewed said: "Bryer was polite when he was talked to and he said thank you." So that means the staff in the Meadow Lake store actually interacted with them. I wonder what they said, if they were asking for any specific item, etc.

I read that if you watch the video of them in the hardware store very, very closely that it looks like Kam says "thank you" or "thanks" as they are walking out the door. I can see it, but if one is not looking closely at his mouth while watching the video, I wouldn't notice

 

[Zella]

I read that if you watch the video of them in the hardware store very, very closely that it looks like Kam says "thank you" or "thanks" as they are walking out the door. I can see it, but if one is not looking closely at his mouth while watching the video, I wouldn't notice

Yeah it's right after the footage switches from them wandering around the store to them leaving. Kam's sort of in the middle of turning his head back around from looking at the clerk. He nods and says something one syllable. I bet it is "thanks." It seems to match the way his mouth is moving. It's around the same time Bryer seems to be talking to the clerk, too. MOO

I have bookmarked a copy of the surveillance video from one of the Vancouver newspapers' YouTube channels. It's the footage in real time, a slowed down version, and then a zoomed in version as they leave. Very useful for a closer look!

 

[sandbar]

dbm

 

[sandbar]

Yeah it's right after the footage switches from them wandering around the store to them leaving. Kam's sort of in the middle of turning his head back around from looking at the clerk. He nods and says something one syllable. I bet it is "thanks." It seems to match the way his mouth is moving. It's around the same time Bryer seems to be talking to the clerk, too. MOO

I have bookmarked a copy of the surveillance video from one of the Vancouver newspapers' YouTube channels. It's the footage in real time, a slowed down version, and then a zoomed in version as they leave. Very useful for a closer look!

can you post the link please?

 

[deerpaw]

Has anyone seen this article?

Suspects got haircuts in M.L. - Northern Pride

IMO maybe the owner just made it up for attention. I’m not sure what’s included in the autopsy but maybe their physical appearance will be there. With hair length or facial hair information.

 

[Optics]

I’m really curious if Kam had been talking with one of his online buddies and had received what he believed to be a genuine offer of work up north.

I'm sure we would have known by now if there was a 'work offer up north'. I've never believed the excuse given to their family that they were going up north to look for work was valid anyways. If there was any truth to that, Bryer would have had no reason to tell his grandmother he's going to Whitehorse while telling his father he's going to Alberta. It's nonsensical.