Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #18

[NJSleuth91]

With respect to the video and their mannerisms and gate, I always come back to the same conclusion or lack there of. I’ve never seen any video of what their typical gait or mannerisms were before that time. I don’t know how to compare.

That's true. The only other video publicly released of them was of Bryer shooting the airsoft rifle, and he was lying on the ground the entire time.

I feel like the only thing I can really say is that Kam looked a lot more serious/upset than he ever did in any pictures of him, and also determined. Bryer looked twitchy and out of it, and kind of subdued in a way, compared to pictures of him.

 

[CinNC]

That doesn't make any sense. Also, store employees said they interacted with them.

SBM

That's literally how everyone walks while wearing large, clunky boots. Take it from me, I used to dress like I was straight out of the grunge era, LOL. Especially if they're 6'4"+ and probably kind of physically awkward/clumsy like these guys seemed to be.

Dumb question: What does SBM stand for?

 

[NJSleuth91]

Dumb question: What does SBM stand for?

"Snipped by me." It's when you quote only an excerpt of someone's post. I'm not sure why people use it since it seems a bit redundant, but when in Rome....

 

[Errrr]

I have always felt it was a bathroom stop.

I also do not think we have seen the whole video, just a snippet.

I did consider that it may have been for their parents to see them one last time.

All JMO

I still like to think it wasn’t their intent to die until they got a full taste of Manitoba’s bug world with no other way out.

 

[Errrr]

A high quality camera at the door, so they can ID robbers or shoplifters, does not imply a high quality system throughout the store. Maybe, maybe not.



I would not expect it to be mentioned if they saw it after the fact.



- They clearly went in for a reason.

- Shoplifting is fun. (for some people)

- Criminals do not generally plan on getting caught.

- edit: and I highly doubt they had much money. Why only $20 gas?

If they had so little money, why buy a jade bear?

 

[katydid23]

"Snipped by me." It's when you quote only an excerpt of someone's post. I'm not sure why people use it since it seems a bit redundant, but when in Rome....

I think it is used because it is more fair or polite, to let other readers know that there was more to the original post.
If I snip yours, and then quote it, your comments are then seen out of context, and may seem very different that your original intent.
So SBM alerts the reader that it was a longer post, so they can go back and read it fully, if necessary.

 

[CinNC]

I think it is used because it is more fair or polite, to let other readers know that there was more to the original post.
If I snip yours, and then quote it, your comments are then seen out of context, and may seem very different that your original intent.
So SBM alerts the reader that it was a longer post, so they can go back and read it fully, if necessary.

Thank you to you and NJSleuth for the explanation. Appreciated!

 

[SteveP]

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I frankly cannot imagine that anything useful in the way of evidence was gotten out of that RAV4. They may have bumbled almost every other aspect of their murderous "long joyride", but they darn sure knew how, or learned how to torch a vehicle. JMO

 

[NJSleuth91]

I still like to think it wasn’t their intent to die until they got a full taste of Manitoba’s bug world with no other way out.

I mean, I guess they were unstable and irrational, but, like...why? To prove they were real survivalists? (if so, I don't think it went how they expected....)

I frankly cannot imagine that anything useful in the way of evidence was gotten out of that RAV4. They may have bumbled almost every other aspect of their murderous "long joyride", but they darn sure knew how, or learned how to torch a vehicle. JMO

I can't imagine it's that hard to set, essentially, a container full of highly flammable liquids on fire. Although I just had a vision of them frantically looking up "how to torch a car" on WikiHow, LOL.

 

[Optics]

That doesn't make any sense. Also, store employees said they interacted with them.



Why not?



Which could be any number of reasons.



They don't look like they're having fun at all, especially not Kam.



Yes but these guys went into pretty much the closest environment to hell on earth, and killed themselves, rather than get caught. The two times they were forced to interact with people (the mud incident and the alcohol checkpoint) they seemed scared. Clearly getting caught was their #1 fear, even more than death. So why risk it?



They didn't need any more than that. It got them to the end of the highway.



SBM

That's literally how everyone walks while wearing large, clunky boots. Take it from me, I used to dress like I was straight out of the grunge era, LOL. Especially if they're 6'4"+ and probably kind of physically awkward/clumsy like these guys seemed to be.

We all only saw a short video clip of them. The clerk has said they bought something, we aren't privy to what they bought. The clerk said Bryer was polite and said Thank You. There is more video than what we all saw.

 

[NJSleuth91]

We all only saw a short video clip of them. The clerk has said they bought something, we aren't privy to what they bought. The clerk said Bryer was polite and said Thank You. There is more video than what we all saw.

Exactly. So I doubt they shoplifted. I do wonder what they bought though.

 

[CinNC]

Whatever they bought, it must have been something that fit in a pocket because they walked out empty-handed.

 

[ktm44]

I still like to think it wasn’t their intent to die until they got a full taste of Manitoba’s bug world with no other way out.

I don't either. I have a feeling that they were aiming for the nearest shipping port, with the hope they could get on a ship and out of the country and their own navigational errors left them boxed in.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I don't either. I have a feeling that they were aiming for the nearest shipping port, with the hope they could get on a ship and out of the country and their own navigational errors left them boxed in.

If so, they were the dumbest people alive, for a variety of reasons.

 

[Jan424]

Sometimes people act happy on the outside even though they're miserable on the inside. How many times do we hear about happy people suddenly killing themselves or overdosing, and all their friends are in shock?

Yes. Unfortunately, it could be that his nice smile was a facade. I’ve a difficult time believing that happy exterior reflected how he felt on the inside. JMO

 

[FactFinder3000]

That doesn't make any sense. Also, store employees said they interacted with them.

Why not?

Which could be any number of reasons.

They don't look like they're having fun at all, especially not Kam.

Yes but these guys went into pretty much the closest environment to hell on earth, and killed themselves, rather than get caught. The two times they were forced to interact with people (the mud incident and the alcohol checkpoint) they seemed scared. Clearly getting caught was their #1 fear, even more than death. So why risk it?

They didn't need any more than that. It got them to the end of the highway.

They obviously went into the store because they wanted something. Either they didn't find it, or they stole it. And I'm pretty sure 3-time killers would have no qualms about shoplifting.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Yes. Unfortunately, it could be that his nice smile was a facade. I’ve a difficult time believing that happy exterior reflected how he felt on the inside. JMO

Apparently not....

But also, happiness is an ephemeral thing. Just because he was happy at the time when various pictures were taken, doesn't mean he was in general, or recently. I think every single one of us probably has pictures from horrible time periods of our lives, where we were smiling and looked happy.

They obviously went into the store because they wanted something. Either they didn't find it, or they stole it. And I'm pretty sure 3-time killers would have no qualms about shoplifting.

Well someone stated a few posts back that the store employees said they bought something, but didn't say what (and I remember reading this in an article too).

I'm sure they wouldn't have moral qualms about shoplifting. However, they seemed to fear getting arrested even more than dying, so it doesn't make sense that they would have jeopardized that.

 

[LadyL]

the store clerk said they bought something?
first time I'm reading that ...
link anyone?

 

[Pyecraft]

- edit: and I highly doubt they had much money. Why only $20 gas?

Could be they were close to their destiny and about to hand over the rav4 after being paid to drive it to Manitoba, and get their promised ride back to BC and their truck. Not much point filling it.

At the time of the surveillance video, they would have no concept of the furor to come; genuinely, I see nothing in their demeanour to suggest they're the least bit worried about anything.

Things only begin to unravel when they finally realize nobody's meeting them and they're trapped in a hell. Or, perhaps they were met and led through the swamps to a place where their ride and pay was 'waiting'. Then executed, laid out to appear a joint suicide by their own gun, in a fashion that resembles LF & CD corpses, and therefor linking them to the murders. Might even have been forced into making that final phone video at gunpoint. Would explain why only part of the video was safe to allow grieving families view it.

Fanciful perhaps, but no more so than the official boat/rapids story - to me at least, and I really am trying to believe the dominant line here followed by fellow websleuthers.

Meantime with their own truck in the hands of some real evil villains, evidence would be easy to leave at the scene of their campertruck burn-out, and on poor LD. But too late for incrimination at the vansite of the original killing because LE are already investigating it. Could explain why the two gamers could not be charged by rcmp with that crime.

Quite a few timeline twisting to be done yet, if the report is not looking only to close the case.

 

[LoisLane]

the store clerk said they bought something?
first time I'm reading that ...
link anyone?

“It is believed they've left British Columbia and may have been spotted in northern Saskatchewan, the RCMP said on Tuesday morning. Two employees at a hardware store in Meadow Lake, Sask., about 250 kilometres northwest of Saskatoon, told CBC News the suspects were in their store and made purchases, though it was not clear when. “
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5221657