Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #18

[srper2]

Probably not. Most hospitals and many nursing homes are staffed by either municipal or provincial employees and all levels of government are allowed to conduct a criminal background check on youths. Child care centres are different, but I don't think many of them would hire people under 18 anyway.

They weren't under 18.

 

[KR72]

They weren't under 18.

I know, but when you said something about potentially dangerous young people working in hospitals/day care centres, I thought you referring to "youth" which is under 18 by legal definition in Canda, not the two suspects specifically.

Any employer can have a potential employee submit a criminal background check if the person is over 18. I don't know for sure, but I kind of doubt that Walmart would be doing background checks for most positions there.

 

[Chingaling]

No snakes in northern Manitoba.

Wow none huh?I want to live there.I like in the US and we have so many snakes it isn't safe to go out at night.Most are harmless,but we do have lots of different kinds of poisonous snakes.

 

[NJSleuth91]

BBM

“Both teens grew up in Port Alberni, a city of about 17,000 in mid-Vancouver Island, and had recently graduated from high school in the region. Both Schmegelsky and McLeod were said to have attended the Eighth Avenue Learning Centre in town, an alternate high school for teens who weren’t well suited to standard high school.”
https://www.kelownacapnews.com/news...ct-to-port-alberni-teens-wanted-for-3-deaths/

On another topic did anyone notice the Alternative School appears to be a Long Distance Learning Centre? If anybody hasn’t heard of them, they’re quite common throughout Canada and widely promoted as self-paced because the courses are similar to correspondence, with teacher support if required. But they’re not at all similar to a formal instructional classroom environment and students are not required to be physically present on a daily basis.

The wording “not well suited” to a standard high school can mean many things, from lagging behind to getting expelled.

It said in the 60 Minutes interview that Bryer had "learning difficulties," so that was likely the reason why he attended. We also know he dropped out of school for a while and was probably behind. The impression I got from the website of that program is it was more for students who weren't doing well academically for whatever reason, but I could be wrong.

Also, part of that program is distance learning, but not all.

VAST - Eighth Avenue Learning Centre
"The Vast Education Centre is an alternative to the traditional school model. Now located at the Eighth Avenue Learning Centre, the Vast Alternate program is a certified public school offering students the opportunity to complete B.C. curriculum in Grades 9 to 12.

Vast operates on an individualized model with each student working on a course(s) in a self-paced, personalized format with assistance from qualified teachers. Art and Physical Education occur in the afternoons with a strong focus on academics and academic support in the mornings.

There are Youth Care Workers, one-on-one instruction and enhanced supports present at Vast to ensure that students have every opportunity to achieve their goals. "

I believe it was posted here that Kam graduated from the VAST program and his graduation picture came from an article about the program in a local newspaper.

Just a comment about previous criminal records of the two - they'd only have criminal records if caught.

So they might've done petty stuff or harmed animals or who knows, but they'd have to get caught to have a record and we all know lots of crimes go unsolved!

Yeah, it's possible. But, they seemed to be pretty terrible at covering up their crimes in general, so I kind of doubt it, although I could be wrong.

Also IIRC, just as an example (not going off topic as I feel it's relevant to my point) - I don't believe killer duo Kruse Wellwood and Cameron Moffat had any criminal records and they did a heinous crime. Different type of crime but those B&K seem eerily similar in backgrounds (one lived with grandma, disturbing to peers at school).

They had a history of disturbing, violent behavior and troubled lives but no records. So it's possible to have a clean slate and then kill if the impulse or obsession is there. All MOO

Yes, and it's not unheard of in these kinds of cases. However my point was, it does raise the question of what the progression of events is that finally pushes someone over the edge into violence, and maybe how that can be prevented.

 

[MistyWaters]

Wow none huh?I want to live there.I like in the US and we have so many snakes it isn't safe to go out at night.Most are harmless,but we do have lots of different kinds of poisonous snakes.

If you don’t want snakes, then your trade off is long freezing cold winters. Snakes are cold blooded creatures and cannot regulate their body temperature, meaning they can’t survive outdoors in the cold.

 

[srper2]

I know, but when you said something about potentially dangerous young people working in hospitals/day care centres, I thought you referring to "youth" which is under 18 by legal definition in Canda, not the two suspects specifically.

Any employer can have a potential employee submit a criminal background check if the person is over 18. I don't know for sure, but I kind of doubt that Walmart would be doing background checks for most positions there.

I was referring to the post I had originally replied to! It was not me who was speculating that BS and KM were hardened criminals!

 

[MistyWaters]

It said in the 60 Minutes interview that Bryer had "learning difficulties," so that was likely the reason why he attended. We also know he dropped out of school for a while and was probably behind. The impression I got from the website of that program is it was more for students who weren't doing well academically for whatever reason, but I could be wrong.

Also, part of that program is distance learning, but not all.

VAST - Eighth Avenue Learning Centre
"The Vast Education Centre is an alternative to the traditional school model. Now located at the Eighth Avenue Learning Centre, the Vast Alternate program is a certified public school offering students the opportunity to complete B.C. curriculum in Grades 9 to 12.

Vast operates on an individualized model with each student working on a course(s) in a self-paced, personalized format with assistance from qualified teachers. Art and Physical Education occur in the afternoons with a strong focus on academics and academic support in the mornings.

There are Youth Care Workers, one-on-one instruction and enhanced supports present at Vast to ensure that students have every opportunity to achieve their goals. "

I believe it was posted here that Kam graduated from the VAST program and his graduation picture came from an article about the program in a local newspaper.



Yeah, it's possible. But, they seemed to be pretty terrible at covering up their crimes in general, so I kind of doubt it, although I could be wrong.



Yes, and it's not unheard of in these kinds of cases. However my point was, it does raise the question of what the progression of events is that finally pushes someone over the edge into violence, and maybe how that can be prevented.

Did you notice in your quote, art and physical education occurs in the afternoon, only the morning is academics? I’m not saying anything more other than according to my prior link, it’s an alternative for students who aren’t well-suited to standard high school. Why neither were not well suited, we don’t know because we don’t have enough information.

 

[Shlock Homes]

I'm not convinced that's exactly true. In these parts, First Nations Police conduct R.I.D.E. checks. They are fully qualified police officers and drive vehicles with regular police lights on them.

This news article suggests that the lights were on when the two suspects drove by it.

"Saunders said the teens drove past him and RCMP partner Morgan Spence at a traffic checkpoint in the RAV4, which had not yet been reported stolen from murder victim Leonard Dyck.

Saunders said,'They slowed down and then they drove by. I had the lights on and I was standing outside the truck. Me and my partner jumped in the truck and we went to stop them.'

Saunders said the boys saw the police in pursuit and pulled over.

He said, 'They turned off their engine, and I asked them why didn't they stop, they were supposed to stop when the lights are on."

'I should have done something': RCMP officer says he let fugitives slip through his fingers after they blew through a police checkpoint

I guess they could have asked for the registration, that's usually procedure isn't it? That would have certainly drawn red flags. Interesting that they never say who was driving. They just refer to them as 'the boys'.

Anyone else see a bit of contradiction ?

-- KM & BS end their lives off the beaten path as though they did not want to be found
---Yet they left final messages on their phone as though they expected to be found

Thats why the narrative doesnt make sense. Also if they didn't want to be found, why torch the Rav4 by the side of the road? It was so easy to spot, people were taking photos of it while it was still on fire. That was more like a beacon to say 'hey look in this area!'. And when that didn't work, the boat and finally the sleeping bag were magically found to bring closure to the manhunt.

 

[MistyWaters]

I was referring to the post I had originally replied to! It was not me who was speculating that BS and KM were hardened criminals!

Who was speculating B&K were hardened criminals?

 

[Zella]

Interesting that they never say who was driving.

SBM

Kam has clearly been identified as the driver.

BC teen fugitives found dead

"One constable said McLeod was driving."

I have never seen a verified sighting of these two where Kam wasn't the driver.

 

[srper2]

Who was speculating B&K were hardened criminals?

You can check back and see the post I was originally replying to.

 

[Inkblot]

I can try..

Pants work too. I guess it would depend on the item whether to slide up the sleeve or stuff in the pants.

In the surveillance video, at exactly 0:11, you can see something like gloves (dark in colour) that perhaps BS has pulled out of a pocket - look over top of his left shoulder. It's so fast, that it's very hard to distinguish what that is? Here is video link:

 

[Chingaling]

If you don’t want snakes, then your trade off is long freezing cold winters. Snakes are cold blooded creatures and cannot regulate their body temperature, meaning they can’t survive outdoors in the cold.

Normally but I have seen a water moccasin on the bank in december.So if they have a good place to hybernate they can survive winter here,but we have nothing like Canadian winters.I was curious about that because we don't go out into the bush in spring summer or fall.

 

[MistyWaters]

I guess they could have asked for the registration, that's usually procedure isn't it? That would have certainly drawn red flags. Interesting that they never say who was driving. They just refer to them as 'the boys'.
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As band constables are not police officers they have no reason to check registration. Their only duty is to prevent drugs or alcohol from being delivered into the reserve because the band had made the decision they want their reserve to be dry.

As a Provincial Highway runs through Split Lake, stopping people and then waving them onward is what they do if the traveller has no intention of doing anything more than filling up with gas and continuing out of town.

 

[MistyWaters]

You can check back and see the post I was originally replying to.

I hadn’t noticed anybody speculating they were hardened criminals. But it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they were involved in break and enters and/or theft in the past, whether or not they were caught.

 

[srper2]

In the surveillance video, at exactly 0:11, you can see something like gloves (dark in colour) that perhaps BS has pulled out of a pocket - look over top of his left shoulder. It's so fast, that it's very hard to distinguish what that is? Here is video link:

Yes, it does look like something! First I thought it might be a mobile phone, but it does seem to flop a bit, like gloves or beanie or something.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

In the surveillance video, at exactly 0:11, you can see something like gloves (dark in colour) that perhaps BS has pulled out of a pocket - look over top of his left shoulder. It's so fast, that it's very hard to distinguish what that is? Here is video link:

Excellent observation! Very interesting as his left pocket looks so flat while exiting the store and we can't see if anything in his hands.

 

[katydid23]

Hello steelybird, I'm equally as happy to clarify as have the faults in my theory disproved.

No, I don't think they played any part in either of the crimes.
But neither were they set up.
Framed, I believe they were.

The bigger picture is begun painting by two youths with zero life experience, zero work resume or ethic, setting out to find work in differing tall tales of somewhere 'up north'. My reading of some excellent analysis here is that they possessed the mind set of fifteen year olds.

I don't know much about gaming but for this: you can start over and over again anytime you've been 'killed', and being not allowed to play causes tantrums.

My theory has them tiring pretty quickly after the long first drive, and beginning to lounge around at campsites in uncertainty, drinking and plugged-in. They eventually were spotted by some seriously evil dude who offered them some easy cash, by driving a rav4 he'd just bought back to his cabin in Manitoba. They would meet up at the designated isolation, for their pay, then drive back to BC to collect their campertruck.

Early in their drive, the truck is then torched close to LD's corpse, with no intent to hide it. The pair follow their given route to Manitoba and are indeed met at some point later by the same guy. To get to his own vehicle for the pay-out and drive back, he leads them through the scrub before shooting them, with their own gun or one that can be traced back to LD. The rav4 is torched on his way out, acting as a further link.

The horrific killings require a certain rage and execution which appears to my experience as being way, way beyond anything these two kids were capable of producing. Then of course, there is drug-induced erratic behaviour which overrides all logic.

Sitting in a juror's seat for a moment, I'd be looking for no 'doubts' of guilt. There won't be a trial however, frankly everything I've read so far would have us dismissed in time for lunch.

I think the existence of the 'last will and testament' video might throw a kink into this^^ scenario.

If the EvilDude wanted them to make this video, making it seem like they were the Guilty parties, he would have to force them to do so, at gunpoint.

But if someone has me out in the remote bushland, at gunpoint, and tells me to make a video saying I am about to kill myself, would I do so?

I don't think I would. It's obvious that ED is about to kill me and my friend anyway. Why give him the satisfaction of making us look guilty too?

I don't know. But I think the video they made might hold the answers.

 

[KR72]

Normally but I have seen a water moccasin on the bank in december.So if they have a good place to hybernate they can survive winter here,but we have nothing like Canadian winters.I was curious about that because we don't go out into the bush in spring summer or fall.

There are a ton of snakes in Manitoba but none in the northern parts of the province as far as I know. There are snakes in parts of the N.W.T. though!

 

[elondriel]

In the surveillance video, at exactly 0:11, you can see something like gloves (dark in colour) that perhaps BS has pulled out of a pocket - look over top of his left shoulder. It's so fast, that it's very hard to distinguish what that is? Here is video link:

I think it is the unbuttoned portion of his upper jacket as he is buttoning it up.