Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #19

[NJSleuth91]

This comment came after learning the two were named as murder suspects on July 24th.

He was also interviewed 2 days prior while the 2 were known to be missing and gives no indication he was aware of untoward actions whatsoever. Just ordinary kids....very different from the “blaze of glory” interview.

Extended video from Monday: Father of Port Alberni suspect in northern B.C. murder case speaks to CHEK News

I've never seen that interview either!

I'm really not trying to be mean (you guys know I wish for only good things for Bryer's dad going forward), but...he does not seem sober in this interview. I can't really blame him either, I mean his son was missing under very concerning circumstances and his dad already had existing issues. But anyway. JMO.

I hadn't actually watched this interview before now. Now I'm convinced he had no idea that they were planning anything. I think he knew his son better then anyone gave him credit for though. He said they were still out there, and he was right. Even though at first glance it didn't look good for them before they were made suspects.

BBM

A few of us have been saying that for a while now, that we think he knew Bryer much better than the rest of Bryer's family did. Bryer seemed to share a lot more of his life with him, and they had some uncanny similarities.

I don't think he had any idea of their plan. But, I have always seen him as a person with way more intuition than people give him credit for, or maybe even he realizes. It's very interesting to me that he mentioned the Airsoft rifle, survivalist stuff, AND video games. It's almost like he was connecting the dots in his head of the stuff the media would seize upon later. Like the ideas were already coalescing in his head of whether Bryer and Kam were the actual perpetrators, but he would never have come out and said it.

 

[srper2]

I bet he gave Bryer whatever he wanted that he could afford within reason. He probably has a lot of guilt and trying to make up lost time. I believe based on the interview from one of Bryer's prior classmates was when they were in junior high. So I don't think he had any idea of the threat. He was to have no contact with Bryer's mother or grandmother, and I can't see Bryer telling his father that.

If anything I'm not even sure Bryer told his mother he was going to stay with his dad for that summer. I bet while living with Grandma, he got back in contact with him. And decided to just go spend the summer there. His mother likely found out, and probably didn't really care much. Which is kind of weird though. If she was afraid of AS, and had criminal harassment charges brought up against him, why would she let her son go there?

Was Bryer 18 or almost 18 at the time you are thinking of or are you thinking of when he was younger? He would be 19 now if still alive. If he was 18 or almost 18, he would be making his own decisions and his mother could not stop him from seeing his father.

 

[srper2]

I've never seen that interview either!

I'm really not trying to be mean (you guys know I wish for only good things for Bryer's dad going forward), but...he does not seem sober in this interview. I can't really blame him either, I mean his son was missing under very concerning circumstances and his dad already had existing issues. But anyway. JMO.



BBM

A few of us have been saying that for a while now, that we think he knew Bryer much better than the rest of Bryer's family did. Bryer seemed to share a lot more of his life with him, and they had some uncanny similarities.

I don't think he had any idea of their plan. But, I have always seen him as a person with way more intuition than people give him credit for, or maybe even he realizes. It's very interesting to me that he mentioned the Airsoft rifle, survivalist stuff, AND video games. It's almost like he was connecting the dots in his head of the stuff the media would seize upon later. Like the ideas were already coalescing in his head of whether Bryer and Kam were the actual perpetrators, but he would never have come out and said it.

I don't think he was having any thoughts that BS and KM were the murderers at that time. He was trying to understand what had happened.

 

[SovereignSnake]

I found a more detailed video of Alandra Hull's description of what she saw when she drove by and saw Lucas and Chynna arguing with mystery bearded man the evening of July 14th. Here's some things that stood out to me: So whoever this guy was, he must have drove by heading North as Lucas and Chynna were and turned round and headed back, pulled over then walked down the road toward them crossing the highway. It was stated he was heading South but I can't imagine someone coming from the other direction, pulling over (having no idea what you're getting yourself into) and walking down the road toward you, possible, but that sounds strange. Now from what I've read and heard most people are fairly helpful if you do break down on these stretches of highway. In other instances people just don't stop at all. But given there's very little cellphone reception most people seem to be very courteous and stop and check on you like the other couple did earlier in the afternoon. So why on earth would someone stop and argue with you? I mean you're already in a lousy situation being broken down but then someone stops, you think they are going to offer some kind of assistance and next thing you know the're fighting with you. Whoever this guy was it sounds like he was looking for trouble. His stance alone sounds like he had a temper and perhaps a propensity for violence. I mean it sounds like it was very close to getting physical the way he was standing and how he actually stood in the middle of road, seemingly unconcerned if he blocked traffic or not. It also sounds like he drove by, scoped out the situation and then came back to talk to them. I said a couple weeks ago, I think he offered Chynna ride to a gas station or a mechanic and she and Lucas refused. Which leads me to another thing, I just cannot for the life of me picture Kam and Bryer rolling up after dark in that Dodge pickup and Camper on a broken down old Chevy Van not knowing if or how many people may be inside. They're could have been 3-4 people inside that thing sleeping for all they knew. Seeing a broken down old van at night right on the side of the road would creep me out even just driving by. I just get this feeling that whoever killed Lucas and Chynna, knew they were there, knew there were just the two of them and had sized them up. I feel like they surveyed the scene and came back later that night probably telling themselves; "If they're still there later tonight we strike."
~All early morning speculation of course.

 

[srper2]

I found a more detailed video of Alandra Hull's description of what she saw when she drove by and saw Lucas and Chynna arguing with mystery bearded man the evening of July 14th. Here's some things that stood out to me: So whoever this guy was, he must have drove by heading North as Lucas and Chynna were and turned round and headed back, pulled over then walked down the road toward them crossing the highway. It was stated he was heading South but I can't imagine someone coming from the other direction, pulling over (having no idea what you're getting yourself into) and walking down the road toward you, possible, but that sounds strange. Now from what I've read and heard most people are fairly helpful if you do break down on these stretches of highway. In other instances people just don't stop at all. But given there's very little cellphone reception most people seem to be very courteous and stop and check on you like the other couple did earlier in the afternoon. So why on earth would someone stop and argue with you? I mean you're already in a lousy situation being broken down but then someone stops, you think they are going to offer some kind of assistance and next thing you know the're fighting with you. Whoever this guy was it sounds like he was looking for trouble. His stance alone sounds like he had a temper and perhaps a propensity for violence. I mean it sounds like it was very close to getting physical the way he was standing and how he actually stood in the middle of road, seemingly unconcerned if he blocked traffic or not. It also sounds like he drove by, scoped out the situation and then came back to talk to them. I said a couple weeks ago, I think he offered Chynna ride to a gas station or a mechanic and she and Lucas refused. Which leads me to another thing, I just cannot for the life of me picture Kam and Bryer rolling up after dark in that Dodge pickup and Camper on a broken down old Chevy Van not knowing if or how many people may be inside. They're could have been 3-4 people inside that thing sleeping for all they knew. Seeing a broken down old van at night right on the side of the road would creep me out even just driving by. I just get this feeling that whoever killed Lucas and Chynna, knew they were there, knew there were just the two of them and had sized them up. I feel like they surveyed the scene and came back later that night probably telling themselves; "If they're still there later tonight we strike."
~All early morning speculation of course.

Yes, I have continued to wonder from the start, why police just dropped any interest in finding this man. Just because they may have found something they believed linked BS and KM, they still should have followed up on this person just the same. It was just beyond a coincidence he was there, acting in a threatening manner, CD and LF were seen to be worried and within a few hours they were found murdered.

 

[Pyecraft]

' ..... whoever killed Lucas and Chynna, knew they were there, knew there were just the two of them and had sized them up.'

Somebody did exactly this in the video of L n C getting gas, and hugging. A white car with 3 guys pulls up alongside the van, between it and the store entry. A rear passenger enters the store while L n C are inside. 3rd guy returns quickly and the car drives off before L n C themselves leave the store.

Something happened between them earlier. If I were an rcmp detective I'd be all over this vehicle reg. If allowed.

 

[Pyecraft]

Isn't there cameras on or around the ferries?

Cameras must play a huge part ensuring orderly transitions of vehicles. Likely too that they're able to track anyone specific from entry to exit, and throughout the sailing.

 

[Jan424]

I dunno, I really don't think there is enough information known about either KM or BS to draw an unbiased, even partial, psychological sketch of either of them. I don't think BS looks any more blank than KM in the video from the co-op. I do think they are both looking for something though.
I can't say there's been enough evidence to draw the conclusion that KM followed BS' lead, any more than the other way around.

SBM. Agree with this. I've looked at that video so many times and, of course, we can all draw different conclusions from it. But we really know so little about them, especially Kam. I don't think one truly followed the other, I think they were a team, in it together, and each had their roles to play. Again, though, we just don't know.

 

[Jan424]

I just don't see 2 teenage guys on the border of adulthood going off on a murderous "spree" without having any prior exposure to violence aside from video games. I've known guys like this. They are the kind who rip wings off a butterfly or legs off a spider.

Also, I have to say that between the 2 of them, Kam looked like he was in rough shape in the Meadow Lake footage. He looks disheveled and the expression on his face seems... like he is lost or something. Meanwhile, Bryer seems like he took a lunch break and didn't come back.

Another question: Where did the pork chops come from?! Did they buy them and cook them along the way? Did they buy them at a restaurant? Has this been discussed already?

Apologies to those who find my posts tiresome... I just want answers like everyone else.

SBM
I honestly can see them not harming animals or bugs, etc, prior to this murderous adventure. In fact, I can see Kam actually having a pet, maybe a cat he cared about, (especially since he wore that Cathulhu shirt). That being said, I think Kam was more like Bryer than possibly anyone knew. Apparently, he kept things more under wraps, whereas Bryer put it all out there for everyone to see.
In the video, I think Kam's expression was hard and focused, and Bryer did look zoned out somehow. Kam could have been exhausted and obviously had alot on his mind. Yet, they even managed to still look relaxed in a way, unafraid of being seen or of what they had done. I think part of the reason they stopped was for the bathroom, and I do think they were looking for something in the store. Of course, just my take on the video images.
I've also long wondered about the pork chops, though we likely will never know for sure.
Your posts are not tiresome at all .... we are all here in the same boat, just merely speculating since we have very few details to work with at this point. I personally enjoy reading everyone's thoughtful takes on this case. All MOO.

 

[CanadianSleuther]

Was Bryer 18 or almost 18 at the time you are thinking of or are you thinking of when he was younger? He would be 19 now if still alive. If he was 18 or almost 18, he would be making his own decisions and his mother could not stop him from seeing his father.

He was sixteen I believe when he spent a summer with AS. In one interview AS said he didn't see Bryer from age 8 to 16. Up until Bryer is 19 in the province of BC he would have been a minor.

 

[kmclaren]

BC Ferries have webcams at all their locations.
Webcams at our Major Terminals | BC Ferries - British Columbia Ferry Services Inc.

Yes, they have webcams but that won't tell you exactly who is in each vehicle. When poster asked about "records" I assumed they meant records of who exactly is coming/going and no there are no records of passengers names/identities. Unless leaving via one of the US bound ferries and then yes, there are records of who crosses the border.

 

[Jan424]

I agree, I think they may have hit up a steak house or some random grocery store deli in Thompson. There's not many options after that. Also, did you see the photo of the orange peels? Orange slice rings placed neatly over what appears to be a pop can.

Those peels are pretty skinny and uniform .... looks like there is a larger piece of peel nearby on the ground. I'd like to know how they got those peels like that ...
ETA: I see other posters have suggestions as to what it could be other than orange peels, and it actually makes more sense that it is a burned out car part. JMO

 

[Jan424]

A few of us have been saying that for a while now, that we think he knew Bryer much better than the rest of Bryer's family did. Bryer seemed to share a lot more of his life with him, and they had some uncanny similarities.

I don't think he had any idea of their plan. But, I have always seen him as a person with way more intuition than people give him credit for, or maybe even he realizes. It's very interesting to me that he mentioned the Airsoft rifle, survivalist stuff, AND video games. It's almost like he was connecting the dots in his head of the stuff the media would seize upon later. Like the ideas were already coalescing in his head of whether Bryer and Kam were the actual perpetrators, but he would never have come out and said it.

BBM & SBM
Absolutely agree 100%, I always thought this same thing.

 

[CinNC]

I've never seen that interview either!

I'm really not trying to be mean (you guys know I wish for only good things for Bryer's dad going forward), but...he does not seem sober in this interview. I can't really blame him either, I mean his son was missing under very concerning circumstances and his dad already had existing issues. But anyway. JMO.

I'm not sure I can agree that he wasn't sober. I think he'd been crying. He seemed steady to me. But really, without truly knowing a person and spending time with them, it is impossible to know or say from video snippets whether they are being their usual selves - or not.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I'm not sure I can agree that he wasn't sober. I think he'd been crying. He seemed steady to me. But really, without truly knowing a person and spending time with them, it is impossible to know or say from video snippets whether they are being their usual selves - or not.

True. He definitely had been crying, but I also thought he was kind of stumbling around. But now that I think about it, it could have been from lack of sleep due to being really worried (ie. the 5 am texts he sent to Bryer that we saw).

 

[CinNC]

Yes, I have continued to wonder from the start, why police just dropped any interest in finding this man. Just because they may have found something they believed linked BS and KM, they still should have followed up on this person just the same. It was just beyond a coincidence he was there, acting in a threatening manner, CD and LF were seen to be worried and within a few hours they were found murdered.

How do we truly know whether they dropped interest in finding this man? I'm not trying to be oppositional, but I think that LE and RCMP are good at what they do and will explore all dimensions, nooks and crannies of this case. We already know they aren't handing out information, so this may very well be part of what they are investigating - without the public knowing about it. OR, I could be completely and utterly wrong, lol. JMO

 

[Estrojane]

How do we truly know whether they dropped interest in finding this man?

Well, if he truly is of any major interest they would have labeled him so-- "person of interest".
I think it best to conclude that he is of no interest. This logical conclusion keeps being ignored.

 

[NJSleuth91]

So, just a bit of an interesting speculation here...I was rewatching the video with Bryer's great-uncle, and I forgot about this, but he actually goes on at length about how frustrated they all are with the lack of information in the investigation (and you can tell he's holding back on how truly upset he is about that), and how they aren't getting any more information than what's in the media about what linked Kam and Bryer to the murders.

Yeah...I'm thinking this confirms it to me about who leaked the information about the goodbye video. I think Bryer's mom and grandma saw it, and his great-uncle leaked the information with their blessing, because they were all frustrated about the secrecy and maybe thought it might put pressure on investigators to release things faster. JMO.

 

[Grouper]

Well, if he truly is of any major interest they would have labeled him so-- "person of interest".
I think it best to conclude that he is of no interest. This logical conclusion keeps being ignored.

I think this person keeps being brought up because RCMP have not given any detail into why they discarded them as a person of interest (as far as I understand, he WAS a person of interest that they wanted to speak with at one point, asking him to come forward — but he was never a suspect).

The reason for this could come out in the report, but for now, all we know is that he was a piece in the investigation that was discarded with no further comment. People will naturally wonder why.

 

[Estrojane]

I think this person keeps being brought up because RCMP have not given any detail into why they discarded them as a person of interest .....

I get what you are saying, although, why would LE have to explain to the public why this person is no longer of any interest? LE interviews lots of people in certain cases. Should they publicly detail why people are brought in and what is said in each interview?