Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #20

[dust bunny]

back several posts and several days ago--there were questions about whether any friend or family member of the "boys" ever expressed concerns about K/B being missing and had asked or appealed to the public for assistance in finding them. AS's brother and BS's uncle (RS) did so on his FB page at the time.

He may have been estranged from AS but was a FB friend of BS's mother. He asked the public to help look for his nephew and his friend, Kam, when they were 1st reported missing. He got sympathetic and supportive feedback. Then, it was reported that they (BS/KM) were wanted and were possible murder suspects, someone posted "your nephew may well be a killer" or something similar to that. Shortly after that, RS deleted all of his past FB posts relating to his missing nephew and there have been no further relevant or related postings. Sorry, I am a 1st timer but did want to set the record straight.

 

[sandbar]

dbm

 

[sandbar]

I thought it was blood, but someone contacted GH, and claimed that GH said it was nothing important. Any reliable source mention what it was?

The WSer who posted that picture said that it's from Trevor St.Pierre, the road worker/EMT who waited with C&L.

It looks a lot like that GH shot...

 

[srper2]

Thank you for posting this clear image, does the window appear to have an indented area to the right side of where it is broken? This clearer image has added to my thought that the window was broken from the outside. If the image without the "tyre iron" shaped blur has not been re-altered, then it confirms that this blurred area was nothing on the ground there.

Looks like GH was right. My mistake everyone.

 

[MistyWaters]

But it was just the young mans idea or dream, AS very well could have talked to BS about the limitations and probabilities of this not being a realistic prospect. AS did not elaborate to say BS had applied to join or if he belonged to any groups like cadets. He may have encouraged him to pursue other avenues or trades or upgrade his high school because he was aware of his sons challenges.

Something AS said in the interview which makes me cringe, that the RCMP hasn’t talked to me only a week later, why, “when I was the only one who loved my son”.

I sure hope he didn’t make these sorts of comments directly to B. If there’s a roadmap to emotionally damage one’s children through upmanship that can occur amidst parental discord, his comment is a classic example. IMO

 

[Lalalacasbah]

back several posts and several days ago--there were questions about whether any friend or family member of the "boys" ever expressed concerns about K/B being missing and had asked or appealed to the public for assistance in finding them. AS's brother and BS's uncle (RS) did so on his FB page at the time.

He may have been estranged from AS but was a FB friend of BS's mother. He asked the public to help look for his nephew and his friend, Kam, when they were 1st reported missing. He got sympathetic and supportive feedback. Then, it was reported that they (BS/KM) were wanted and were possible murder suspects, someone posted "your nephew may well be a killer" or something similar to that. Shortly after that, RS deleted all of his past FB posts relating to his missing nephew and there have been no further relevant or related postings. Sorry, I am a 1st timer but did want to set the record straight.

Thanks for this! Good to know there were two people that wanted them home.

Posts can only "go viral" on FB if they are public so the posts might not have circulated much when I looked. The turn around did happen fast from missing to suspects, so not much time for people to frantically try to post their missing photos.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Thanks for this! Good to know there were two people that wanted them home.

Posts can only "go viral" on FB if they are public so the posts might not have circulated much when I looked. The turn around did happen fast from missing to suspects, so not much time for people to frantically try to post their missing photos.

Well the other thing is, practically speaking, it didn't seem at first like the type of case where sharing missing photos would help. Sharing missing photos helps in those cases where like, the person left their house and there was never any sign of them again. I think the circumstances on the 19th indicated one of two conclusions at the time: a) the killer murdered Kam and Bryer and then took Professor Dyck's vehicle, or b) they were the killers. My guess is, most people who knew them assumed scenario a) had happened and that their bodies would probably be found nearby.

Sharing missing photos also helps in cases which have little publicity. This was already a huge international news story (I even remember seeing it on the news at the laundromat and I live 3000+ miles away) and probably every person who lived in the general region of the murders knew about it, so there wouldn't be much benefit to sharing it. Maybe I'm just thinking about it too practically, but that's what I'm thinking of...I don't know if my first impulse would be to share on social media, either.

 

[LoisLane]

Something AS said in the interview which makes me cringe, that the RCMP hasn’t talked to me only a week later, why, “when I was the only one who loved my son”.

I sure hope he didn’t make these sorts of comments directly to B. If there’s a roadmap to emotionally damage one’s children through upmanship that can occur amidst parental discord, his comment is a classic example. IMO

I sure hope that wasn’t the case but yes we did see a glimpse of what could have been by that comment.

When someone is triggered I imagine reactions and comments are one in the same and would apply to all types of situations.

 

[CanadianSleuther]

Something AS said in the interview which makes me cringe, that the RCMP hasn’t talked to me only a week later, why, “when I was the only one who loved my son”.

I originally thought he said that because he was under great stress, in emotional pain and was a direct dig to Bryer's mother.

 

[LoisLane]

I originally thought he said that because he was under great pain and was a direct dig to Bryer's mother.

I am thinking back now to the release of his book. The material was heavy and Bryer may have been aware of its contents. That would be enough for me to run, so to be in his shoes it could have been game over in his mind. Ugh. It’s just awful all of it.

 

[CanadianSleuther]

I am thinking back now to the release of his book. The material was heavy and Bryer may have been aware of its contents. That would be enough for me to run, so to be in his shoes it could have been game over in his mind. Ugh. It’s just awful all of it.

He truly was in the middle. I think he likely wanted both of his parents to just try and get along. I think he had some unresolved and pent up anger over his parents split, his dad's arrest and not seeing his dad for so long.

Also I wonder how much Bryer told his dad about his mother and his upbringing while he wasn't involved.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I originally thought he said that because he was under great pain and was a direct dig to Bryer's mother.

Yeah, we already knew they had a nuclear level bad divorce, so it's consistent. Now, that's not to say that I think his statement was accurate. For example it's clear to me that Bryer's great-uncle loved him from how he was holding back tears during his entire interview, and his other family members likely did as well.

But, it is consistent with what we know, that after a divorce that bad, Bryer's dad would have a very low opinion of the other side of the family. Especially since Bryer lived with them almost exclusively for the majority of his childhood and clearly turned out very troubled and disturbed (I'm not saying that's their fault, I'm just saying that Bryer's dad would see it that way given their history, like "it was their responsibility to get Bryer help and they didn't" or "what happened to the happy kid that he used to be?")

I am thinking back now to the release of his book. The material was heavy and Bryer may have been aware of its contents. That would be enough for me to run, so to be in his shoes it could have been game over in his mind. Ugh. It’s just awful all of it.

I don't know, if I was an 18 year old and my mentally ill, long-term homeless dad said they were going to self-publish a book that they wrote in 12 days while drunk and buy a house with the proceeds, I would be like "yeah, ok, sure," and probably humor them so as not to hurt their feelings, but not actually believe it was ever going to happen. I'm not sure how seriously Bryer took the whole thing. Plus I get the sense that his dad wouldn't publish it if Bryer was uncomfortable with it and told him.

 

[LoisLane]

Yeah, we already knew they had a nuclear level bad divorce, so it's consistent. Now, that's not to say that I think his statement was accurate. For example it's clear to me that Bryer's great-uncle loved him from how he was holding back tears during his entire interview, and his other family members likely did as well.

But, it is consistent with what we know, that after a divorce that bad, Bryer's dad would have a very low opinion of the other side of the family. Especially since Bryer lived with them almost exclusively for the majority of his childhood and clearly turned out very troubled and disturbed (I'm not saying that's their fault, I'm just saying that Bryer's dad would see it that way given their history, like "it was their responsibility to get Bryer help and they didn't" or "what happened to the happy kid that he used to be?")



I don't know, if I was an 18 year old and my mentally ill, long-term homeless dad said they were going to self-publish a book that they wrote in 12 days while drunk and buy a house with the proceeds, I would be like "yeah, ok, sure," and probably humor them so as not to hurt their feelings, but not actually believe it was ever going to happen. I'm not sure how seriously Bryer took the whole thing. Plus I get the sense that his dad wouldn't publish it if Bryer was uncomfortable with it and told him.

The book was with a publisher tho (the company is listed on the cover) so my guess is his Dad would have kept him in the loop that it was all coming to fruition.

 

[MistyWaters]

I don't know, if I was an 18 year old and my mentally ill, long-term homeless dad said they were going to self-publish a book that they wrote in 12 days while drunk and buy a house with the proceeds, I would be like "yeah, ok, sure," and probably humor them so as not to hurt their feelings, but not actually believe it was ever going to happen. I'm not sure how seriously Bryer took the whole thing. Plus I get the sense that his dad wouldn't publish it if Bryer was uncomfortable with it and told him.

Im not sure how B could’ve told his father not to publish the book. He had planned to self-publish it when he initially released it to the media after the two were named suspects.

Father of teen Canadian murder fugitive tries to hijack media frenzy to publicize his new book | Daily Mail Online
“The brazen father of a suspected teen serial killer has sent letters to media in an attempt to publicize his recently published book, telling DailyMail.com: 'I am a really good writer.'....

....The father, who has given multiple media interviews about his fugitive son over the past week, sent copies of the book to 60 Minutes Australia and DailyMail.com.

The rambling memoir, entitled Red Flagged, is a bizarre 131-page screed covering the last ten years of Schmegelsky Sr’s life...”

 

[NJSleuth91]

The book was with a publisher tho (the company is listed on the cover) so my guess is his Dad would have kept him in the loop that it was all coming to fruition.

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's a self-publishing company? @Zella you're the expert...thoughts?

Im not sure how B could’ve told his father not to publish the book. He had planned to self-publish it when he initially released it to the media after the two were named suspects.

Father of teen Canadian murder fugitive tries to hijack media frenzy to publicize his new book | Daily Mail Online

No I mean, if Bryer was uncomfortable with the concept of it being published, he could have told his dad beforehand, and my sense is that his dad would have either not published it, or would have used a fake name or something. The book was written, like, 7 or 8 months before all this.

Either way, I could be wrong, but I doubt the book had anything to do with it. I think that was another weird coincidence in a case full of them.

 

[Zella]

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's a self-publishing company? @Zella you're the expert...thoughts?



No I mean, if Bryer was uncomfortable with the concept of it being published, he could have told his dad beforehand, and my sense is that his dad would have either not published it, or would have used a fake name or something. The book was written, like, 7 or 8 months before all this.

Either way, I could be wrong, but I doubt the book had anything to do with it. I think that was another weird coincidence in a case full of them.

Yes, he used Friesen Press, which advertises itself as one of the leading self-publishing companies in Canada. (Incidentally, just realized they are affiliated with one of the larger publishers in Canada. That makes sense--a lot of traditional publishers have a self-publishing wing.) Friesen is also headquartered in Victoria, so it would have been easy for him to work with them.

Source: Dislike using the Daily Fail, but they did reference the self-publisher: Father of teen Canadian murder fugitive tries to hijack media frenzy to publicize his new book | Daily Mail Online

 

[LoisLane]

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's a self-publishing company? @Zella you're the expert...thoughts?

No I mean, if Bryer was uncomfortable with the concept of it being published, he could have told his dad beforehand, and my sense is that his dad would have either not published it, or would have used a fake name or something. The book was written, like, 7 or 8 months before all this.

Either way, I could be wrong, but I doubt the book had anything to do with it. I think that was another weird coincidence in a case full of them.

It does specialize in self publishing. The company has a Victoria division as well as many reps all over the country and parts of the US. Weird coincidence is right. But I won’t go there.

 

[CanadianSleuther]

It does specialize in self-publishing. The company has a Victoria division as well as many reps all over the country and parts of the US. Weird coincidence is right. But I won’t go there.

Self-publishing, in general, isn't difficult.

 

[MistyWaters]

But, it is consistent with what we know, that after a divorce that bad, Bryer's dad would have a very low opinion of the other side of the family. Especially since Bryer lived with them almost exclusively for the majority of his childhood and clearly turned out very troubled and disturbed (I'm not saying that's their fault, I'm just saying that Bryer's dad would see it that way given their history, like "it was their responsibility to get Bryer help and they didn't" or "what happened to the happy kid that he used to be?")

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I’ve seen nothing to indicate AS has any faith in mental health practitioners whatsoever, just the opposite. If Bs family thought B needed help, I think it’d be more likely AS would discourage B from complying with treatment based on his own prior experiences, regardless if the diagnosis was accurate or not.

“It’s unclear whether his ex-wife was the target of the harassment in each case, but Schmegelsky said in an interview that at least some of the charges were filed because the boy’s mother feared he would murder her, saying he was schizophrenic and was not taking his medication. He denies these allegations.

Schmegelsky writes in the book that a forensic psychologist diagnosed him as “delusional,” a conclusion he disagreed with....”
B.C. murder suspect’s father reveals details of troubled life in book

 

[LoisLane]

Self-publishing, in general, isn't difficult.

No it doesn’t sound like it is difficult at all. He would have needed to pay for it and hit send I guess. He did take some steps towards that.

Would Bryer understand that tho?