Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #20

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  • #681
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Someone responding to the article on Twitter brought up a very good point in that "whackjobs" email government officials all the time, why are 12 people's emails in a country of 37 million, a story?

Those emails seem like they're from a few backseat driver types that have no idea how things work in policing. For example, comparing military to assistance in foreign disaster areas and how/when they were deployed during this manhunt, just proves the person is ignorant about policing, how searches are conducted in this country and has an axe to grind. Same as the person who wants Goodale fired and for this to become an election issue.

Who's willing to bet that the people emailing the PMO thought that the RCMP were wasting their time up in Gillam because the suspects had fled long ago?
I just read an updated version of this report and it indicated that the 12 emails were just a portion of the emails sent:
CBC News filed an Access to Information request with the federal government for internal communications relating to how the manhunt was handled by RCMP.

Recently, CBC was given roughly a dozen emails sent to the PMO as the first portion of the request. In them, writers expressed dismay that the two B.C. homicide suspects were able to evade police during a weeks-long search this summer, and criticized the lack of information provided by Mounties and the government. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/pmo-letters-schmegelsky-mcleod-search-1.5288903

So it appears that under freedom of information, CBC were able to access a small portion of the emails being sent to the PMO?
 
  • #682
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/pmo-letters-schmegelsky-mcleod-search-1.5288903

Angry emails to PMO question RCMP competence in hunt for B.C. homicide suspects

Was RCMP mishandling case in search for B.C. fugitives and why so little information since, emails ask

I am curious what the second part of information will contain.

CBC News filed an Access to Information request with the federal government for internal communications relating to how the manhunt was handled by RCMP.

Recently, CBC was given roughly a dozen emails sent to the PMO as the first portion of the request.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/pmo-letters-schmegelsky-mcleod-search-1.5288903
 
  • #683
That makes sense--thank you! That's why Bryer could be charged as an adult but wasn't technically an adult in other matters.
I can't understand the ongoing obsession with BS and AS. All of this has already been hashed over hundreds of times now in multiple threads now.
 
  • #684
I am curious what the second part of information will contain.

CBC News filed an Access to Information request with the federal government for internal communications relating to how the manhunt was handled by RCMP.

Recently, CBC was given roughly a dozen emails sent to the PMO as the first portion of the request.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/pmo-letters-schmegelsky-mcleod-search-1.5288903
I had posted this some time ago, but people did not read the article before jumping into talking about "whacko's" and "crazies" being the only people sending the emails! Now people are beginning to read the (now updated) report!
 
  • #685
I can't understand the ongoing obsession with BS and AS. All of this has already been hashed over hundreds of times now in multiple threads now.
Because Bryer has been connected to 3 homicides and people are waiting for more information, so it's kind of a given he's going to be a topic of conversation? As for AS, he has been the most vocal family member in the media, though my comment wasn't about him, so not sure why he's being mentioned in relation to what I posted.

As they say in the TOS here, if you don't like the discussion, scroll and roll. :)
 
  • #686
I can't understand the ongoing obsession with BS and AS. All of this has already been hashed over hundreds of times now in multiple threads now.

And every time it’s complained about I like to remind myself that this is how we keep the case fresh in our minds. Rehashing details, perspectives, opinions. I feel like all threads here probably carry on this way. Yes?
 
  • #687
@Moriarty didn't you predict the media would start making FOIA requests?
 
  • #688
I had posted this some time ago, but people did not read the article before jumping into talking about "whacko's" and "crazies" being the only people sending the emails! Now people are beginning to read the (now updated) report!

I thought I had read it the same as the article posted this morning. What exactly was updated?
 
  • #689
The Canadian Criminal Code is applicable to anyone 12 or older.

Yes you’re right. I wasn’t referring to the Canadian Juvenile Justice System, at least 12 but under the age of 18 years old.
 
  • #690
@Trooper I respect your position as an Australian Citizen and your insights into the logistics Lucas likely went through to work abroad but let us not forget he was working on a cattle ranch in Northern British Columbia. That's a far cry from any corporate, clean cut, white collar existence or even academic pursuits abroad in a gorgeous city in French Canada. Cattle ranching is a roughneck world. From what I've read, he had been working on this ranch since just after Christmas 2018. Perhaps January or February of 2019. That put him up there for at least 6-7 months. We don't know what kind of people he met while working on this ranch. Then Chynna came up and they were to spend a week on the ranch before hitting the road together. There can still remain a possibility (again, speculating) that just before they departed a friend of his at the ranch said; "Here, before you go, take this (a gun) you may not need it, but just in case." It's simply another possibility in the hundreds of different things that could have transpired during this whole ordeal. You have every right to project what you would do or what other Australians would or would not do abroad just like I can make claims what other Americans would or would not do in a similar situation. Everyone has free will and we can never tuly predict anyone's behavior. We may never know what actually happened or what he did during his time up there on the ranch or in the hours before he and Chynna set out. I do maintain hope however, when the final report comes out we will have a conclusive answer to where these guns came from. It's yet another element of this story all of us are dying to know.

Anything is possible but his father was in law enforcement and I'd be very surprised to see him break the law and an I would think he would be even more reluctant to risk Chynna being involved in criminal activity at that level.

It would be quite unusual for a Canadian to just hand off a firearm for the reason you mention. Having that firearm being found to have been used in the commission of a crime would mean the rightful owner may very well lose their right to ever own a firearm again.
 
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I thought I had read it the same as the article posted this morning. What exactly was updated?
I am not exactly sure, but it clarifies the article has been updated. In the original that I posted, which I found at 11.11pm last night EST, I don't think I saw any clarification that the emails were only a portion of the emails that were sent to the PM's office, so maybe that was what they updated? The same article was updated this morning approx 4 hours ago, according to info at the top of the article, (approx 7.32am EST). People were commenting here originally about there being only 12 emails and now the article is updated we can see the 12 emails provided were only a small portion of the number of emails actually received by the PMO?
 
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Anything is possible but his father was in law enforcement and I'd be very surprised to see him break the law and an I would think he would be even more reluctant to risk Chynna being involved in criminal activity at that level.

It would be quite unusual for a Canadian to just hand off a firearm for the reason you mention. Having that firearm being found to have been used in the commission of a crime would mean the rightful owner may very well lose their right to ever own a firearm again.

I agree and anyway, where the guns came from is really not a key issue unless there was third party involvement with guns provided to them under orders to murder innocent people. And even then K&B would’ve made the choice to follow through.

Did either K or B have “Guns don’t kill, people do” posted on instagram or am I thinking of another case, anyone remember?
 
  • #693
I agree and anyway, where the guns came from is really not a key issue unless there was third party involvement with guns provided to them under orders to murder innocent people. And even then K&B made the choice.

Did either K or B have “Guns don’t kill, people do” posted on instagram or am I thinking another case, anyone remember?
On FB, Bryer apparently had a meme that said guns don't kill people, bullets do.

Who are Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky? What we know about the suspects in northern B.C. deaths
 
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Anything is possible but his father was in law enforcement and I'd be very surprised to see him break the law and an I would think he would be even more reluctant to risk Chynna being involved in criminal activity at that level.

It would be quite unusual for a Canadian to just hand off a firearm for the reason you mention. Having that firearm being found to have been used in the commission of a crime would mean the rightful owner may very well lose their right to ever own a firearm again.
Your post reminded me of how remiss I was not to protest on behalf of Canadian workers at cattle ranches, some of whom I have had the very great pleasure of hosting here in AU, of being even in the area of considering this kind of nonsense., . . my apologies. !....
 
  • #695
I read some of those emails written to the RCMP, in regard to delays etc...


Canadian's are so polite!....it took a while to figure out they were actually complaining!...
 
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I am not exactly sure, but it clarifies the article has been updated. In the original that I posted, which I found at 11.11pm last night EST, I don't think I saw any clarification that the emails were only a portion of the emails that were sent to the PM's office, so maybe that was what they updated? The same article was updated this morning approx 4 hours ago, according to info at the top of the article, (approx 7.32am EST). People were commenting here originally about there being only 12 emails and now the article is updated we can see the 12 emails provided were only a small portion of the number of emails actually received by the PMO?

I’m absolutely shocked anyone thinks the PMO can intervene in a police investigation considering the recent go-around involving the SLC-Lavalin scandal.
 
  • #698
Thank you, that’s probably what I recall. Blame the bullets, considering all is that how easy it is to commit murder? That’s pretty sad. :(

It was "guns don't kill people, it's mostly the bullets." I'm pretty sure it was meant to be a joke though and it was also from 2015, so probably unrelated, except maybe to show an interest in these topics from at least age 14/15.
 
  • #699
"Peter German, left, a former RCMP deputy commissioner, suspects Mounties are being tight-lipped in an effort to reduce harm to the victims' families. (Darryl Dyck/Canadian Press)"

I think the families want to know if the teens accused of murdering their family is actually the ones who are responsible.

"Sgt. Shoihet said B.C. RCMP do not have any definitive plans for an update on the case."

This has me convinced they have no evidence proving without a doubt that these two boys killed anyone. It went from a few weeks to no definitive plans. Meanwhile, the victim's families are left mourning with no answers and the accused families are left mourning with no proof that their children are guilty or not, despite having their entire reputation tarnished all over the media.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/pmo-letters-schmegelsky-mcleod-search-1.5288903?
 
  • #700
Hmm, I was surprised to see that someone is showing posts by members from this thread on Youtube!
 
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