Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #20

[Zella]

The grief counsellor would have been provided after the bodies were found, particularly after he viewed the goodbye video, but perhaps before as well.

I think they got him the grief counselor as soon as the body announcement was made. They were there when he got the news and were actually filming at the time. Personally, I thought 60 Minutes Australia came off as vultures there, but I am glad they got him some help. That makes me think better of them. MOO

 

[Jan424]

It seemed to me that AS was saying in a roundabout way that Kam was to blame for this... anyone else get that impression?

SBM
Absolutely and positively. He is most definitely going down that road though I guess it’s only natural..... maybe Kam’s parents are doing the same. I wonder what he might say if it turns out the guns were taken from Kam’s house.

 

[LoisLane]

Yes, that's certainly true. I just don't know why they would specifically provide a grief counselor before the bodies were found. I could be wrong! I still haven't had a chance to watch the video yet. I do appreciate you posting on here about it--you were much faster than my Google Alerts for this case!

I think a grief counsellor makes a lot of sense. The grief was enormous knowing there were 3 victims.

 

[Runningforthewind]

This will be my last post for tonight because I need to step away from posting publicly. I just feel so badly that no one else is seeing the inconsistencies in this case. There is probably a reason why Bryer's mother isn't being interviewed and it's likely because she probably still believes on some level her sons is innocent. She isn't about to go air her dirty laundry. The same could go for Kam's family. I think they know enough that staying silent unless they have something that would help prove Kam's innocense, they know that anything they say otherwise would just paint their kid a certain way then he is already being portrayed. I think with how much attention this case got, those boys never would have gotten a fair chance at defending themselves.

 

[Esprite]

I think they got him the grief counselor as soon as the body announcement was made. They were there when he got the news and were actually filming at the time. Personally, I thought 60 Minutes Australia came off as vultures there, but I am glad they got him some help. That makes me think better of them. MOO

I just posted this on the previous page:

"AS would be entitled to grief counselling through social services, as would other members of Bryer and Kam's families, which would get the ball rolling for him; however, there is a protocol, including psychological assessment, that he would have to agree to. His lawyer would know all this, and has probably already attempted to help him."

To be clear, grief counselling would determine if AS was suicidal, or a danger to others. Also would be the first step into determining if he needed further help, but would also require compliance on his part for that to happen.

 

[LoisLane]

Re cellphone:
Schmegelsky says RCMP never asked him about Bryer’s cellphone — a pay-as-you go Samsung device that he bought for his son — which Bryer used only for text messaging while connected to WiFi.

“He didn’t pay into it, so the number was disconnected. But any phone is active to 911. And if it’s active to 911, it still can be tracked.

“How come they weren’t tracking the phone? How come they didn’t talk to me? Maybe I could’ve helped them, if they would have admitted that I exist.”

‘This is all preventable’: Father of B.C. murder suspect questions RCMP role in manhunt

 

[10ofRods]

I thought he meant a week after they went missing or were suspects?

It seemed to me that AS was saying in a roundabout way that Kam was to blame for this... anyone else get that impression? I think AS is just not feeling heard at all and will speak to anyone that will listen, which happens to be the media. It was mentioned that victim services may be able to help, but do they help the families of the accused? I'm not sure if they do?

I think he was just posing the questions that many of us have. Are they both equally responsible? Did they both take equal part in what happened? Etc

Any parent would want those questions answered, I would think.

I think AS is a normal person who wants to know what happened and is willing to ask questions that come to the public ear.

Someone knows more than what AS knows, he wants to know what happened.

 

[MistyWaters]

I guess the incoherence to me comes from his contradictions. Namely, he was the one who first mentioned his son had an interest in Nazism, and now he is saying he never heard Bryer talking about that. I’m typing this on the run as well so not very well-thought-out.

His speech doesn’t seem very connected, his own thoughts are all over the place, he breaks down crying. It’s hard to watch.

I agree that he asks some pertinent questions. I also believe he’s a man with literally nothing left to lose now, so he doesn’t care about what he says (but he’s still honouring that NDA! Which is a smart move on his part in many ways)

I also don’t understand why he’d say Breyer had “no hope” because he also said he was working on his GED with future intentions to join the Canadian Army.

It is hard to watch, he’s clearly suffering as are all the other family members I’m sure.

 

[CanadianSleuther]

I also don’t understand why he’d say Breyer had “no hope” because he also said he was working on his GED with future intentions to join the Canadian Army. .

If working toward his GED was his goal, is sad that his mother, mother's boyfriend, grandma, and even his dad on the weekends he saw him sat down and worked with him, and instead of airsoft guns, maybe a tutor may have been better.

 

[MistyWaters]

Can you please explain this paragraph and the underlined part particularly? I don't follow.

What I meant to say is - if police require a self-made confession video by B&K to prove they committed the crimes they were accused of, that indicates the police lacked evidence at the time the two were named suspects. The RCMP wouldn’t have known there would be a video left behind or even the two would be found dead while the manhunt was underway. Therefore using a video of that type, to prove the guilt, leaves the impression it was sheer luck that police happened to identify the correct suspects at the onset. That’s why I don’t think the RCMP would go there. It will be the evidence that links the two to the murder scenes at the onset that’ll prove the RCMP made the right call in naming them armed and dangerous suspects. Hope what I’m trying to say makes more sense.

 

[sandbar]

It will be the evidence that links the two to the murder scenes at the onset that’ll prove the RCMP made the right call in naming them armed and dangerous suspects. Hope what I’m trying to say makes more sense.

This totally makes sense, thanks!

 

[MistyWaters]

he is still under the nondisclosure. he does know at least a little more than we do. there may be something on the part of video he seen that he just cant say that makes him not so set on not guilty.

His comments somewhat reflect what he said in his July 24th interview when the two were initially named suspects ...... “A normal child doesn’t travel across the country killing people. A child in some very serious pain does,” ...”
Father of suspect in 3 B.C. deaths expects son will go out in 'blaze of glory'

 

[MistyWaters]

The phone part confuses me. The RRSP is more for the tidbit that he spoke with Bryer two hours before his departure. I’m sure investing his pay was the last thing going on his mind.. but also could mean that he had just collected his cheque.

The army comment is interesting. If BS was easily manipulated maybe the army dream helped KM carry out his?

When AS last spoke to B is what confuses me.

“Sarah Leamon, a Vancouver-based lawyer who recently began representing Mr. Schmegelsky, said her client had “regular contact and spoke on a regular basis” with his son. She confirmed the two were “in recent communication” after his son left town in July for what he described as a road trip to the Yukon to look for work.“
B.C. men who led police on a cross-Canada manhunt filmed several videos while on the run

 

[10ofRods]

I also don’t understand why he’d say Breyer had “no hope” because he also said he was working on his GED with future intentions to join the Canadian Army.

It is hard to watch, he’s clearly suffering as are all the other family members I’m sure.

Many of my students (US) say they have “no hope.” Jobs and buying things are not their main concerns.

Avoiding mass extinction of so many species, reversing climate change, finding ways to connect in a world based so much on fleeting digital relationships and sex...all of this is very depressing to them. Nationally scored instruments show that US students are more depressed and anxious than students were 10 years ago, and way more depressed than students 10 years before that. Suicide rates in North America are rising among the young.

It’s not about jobs. Lasting relationships are very important, but many young people are skeptical that they’ll ever have a lasting romantic relationship. The number who do not want children rises every year (one could say that’s one measure of hopelessness).

 

[Jan424]

I think AS is just being flat honest. he may not have a proper filter but seems he says it the way he sees it and he is simply who he is no matter what others think of him.

Simply put and very true. I admit, sometimes I wish he’d stay away from the media because I think they take advantage of him, but maybe this is also the way he needs to process the horrific circumstances thrust upon him. Very sad. IMO

 

[SovereignSnake]

So I just watched Alan's latest interview. Yikes, that was rough. I'd really like to see the full video without the jump cuts because that was really distracting but I don't imagine he's a very easy man to interview. Still, I respect him for actually speaking out about this whole ordeal when no one else will. He looks like he's in really tough shape though and on top of everything living in a van. Sad. Now a few things that stood out to me: @Grouper I agree with you, I think when Alan says Bryer; "lost hope" he was referring to the suicides. Later when he's asked by the reporter; "A part of Bryer do you think maybe he wanted to be caught by police?" (Not in a million years He never would have left Kam.) And Alan responds with; "He had no hope." I feel he meant Bryer's overall life in general. Hearing that he was bullied at that school makes me sad. Like it's already an alternative school and I suppose they will bully each other like any other school, public, private, etc. We have those types of schools in the US, I'm not very familiar with them but they tend to be for kids who have trouble reading, focusing, emotional issues, general comprehension issues, anger problems and other cognitive issues like ADD and ADHD. Judging by Kam's graduation video I posted a few weeks back, this school appears have a wide array of kids from all kinds of backgrounds. I guess I would really liked to have had a conversation with both Kam and Bryer to see where they were at on a cognitive level because it's very difficult to get an impression based what I've seen and heard. (Yet another reason I want to see the videos.) Speaking of the videos, Alan's enthusiasm when she brought that up tells me the videos were recorded on Bryer's phone. Not 100% but he got very excitable about that, even what kind it was. But here's the thing, he's mistaken about the 911 thing. Yes, all phones can dial 911 with or without a cellphone contract or pay as you go but if you don't have a signal you cannot dial 911. I would say the odds are fairly good Bryer relied solely on WiFi. In fact, even if Kam had a cellphone contract I doubt he had a signal the majority of the time. They also could disabled the GPS and set it to airplane mode just as well even if they did get a signal here and there. I would like to think these two were somewhat familiar with how you can and cannot track a phone. We really don't know if they brought a car charger with them after the mess they left fleeing Dease Lake so they probably absolutely had to conserve battery usage. Now in regards Alan apologizing to everyone, it's hard to say if he's apologizing for everything that has happened or he's apologizing that his son helped kill three people. He doesn't explicitly state that. I do wonder though, was he foreshadowing what he saw in the video clip. What Kam and Bryer confessed? Technically he cannot say one way or the other if they it was a confession of innocence or guilt. Not yet at least. Also, I smiled when he made the Thelma and Louise comparison. I know nothing about this is funny but I made the same comparison on here a few weeks ago asking what if Kam and Bryer are like a real life male version of Thelma and Louise?

 

[Jan424]

Re cellphone:
Schmegelsky says RCMP never asked him about Bryer’s cellphone — a pay-as-you go Samsung device that he bought for his son — which Bryer used only for text messaging while connected to WiFi.

“He didn’t pay into it, so the number was disconnected. But any phone is active to 911. And if it’s active to 911, it still can be tracked.

“How come they weren’t tracking the phone? How come they didn’t talk to me? Maybe I could’ve helped them, if they would have admitted that I exist.”

‘This is all preventable’: Father of B.C. murder suspect questions RCMP role in manhunt

Is it possible RCMP did know about the phone maybe from Bryer’s mom or grandmother? Even if he only used it to text, maybe they knew he had it and told the police. And it’s very possible Bryer got rid of the phone if he needed WiFi for texting only. And maybe they were tracking Kam’s phone at one point.

 

[MistyWaters]

Many of my students (US) say they have “no hope.” Jobs and buying things are not their main concerns.

Avoiding mass extinction of so many species, reversing climate change, finding ways to connect in a world based so much on fleeting digital relationships and sex...all of this is very depressing to them. Nationally scored instruments show that US students are more depressed and anxious than students were 10 years ago, and way more depressed than students 10 years before that. Suicide rates in North America are rising among the young.

It’s not about jobs. Lasting relationships are very important, but many young people are skeptical that they’ll ever have a lasting romantic relationship. The number who do not want children rises every year (one could say that’s one measure of hopelessness).

The question the reporter asked was “I think the public may want to know why....?”

To which AS answered “he lost hope”.

But he didn’t expand on what specifically caused B to lose hope, although he later said B was intending to obtain his GED and joining the army. I only mentioned this because losing hope and having a future plan seems contradictory. But then I’m still perplexed how two good friends setting off on an adventure to seek employment in a truck and camper in the beautiful majestic wilderness of the north country results in committing murder only two days later.

 

[CinNC]

His speech doesn’t seem very connected, his own thoughts are all over the place, he breaks down crying. It’s hard to watch.

SBM
I think it seems disjointed because it is poorly edited. They go from one sound byte and video snippet to the next without very smooth segue ways.

 

[MistyWaters]

Is it possible RCMP did know about the phone maybe from Bryer’s mom or grandmother? Even if he only used it to text, maybe they knew he had it and told the police. And it’s very possible Bryer got rid of the phone if he needed WiFi for texting only. And maybe they were tracking Kam’s phone at one point.

I’m not so sure I believe AS, that just because a cellphone without a service provider can call 911, it can also be traced by police. The only reason a 911 call will go through is because all cell towers are programmed to receive and transmit 911 calls. But without dialing 911, a serviceless cellphone is not pinging celltowers along the way, just in case 911 is dialed.