Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #20

[NJSleuth91]

I think B knew too. According to AS, B had “no hope” so he definitely wasn’t exited about the anticipated release IMO.

Yes, I think we can say he was either indifferent about it and thought nothing would actually come of it (most likely IMO) or not happy about it.

 

[Zella]

I would honestly be astonished if Bryer actually read the book. I never got the impression he was much of a reader, and if he had a learning disability like dyslexia, which had been widely speculated on here, he may have found it difficult to get through, beyond the emotional issues it may have dredged up.

Beyond all that, I think a lot of people get asked to read someone's book/manuscript and then never do. Not even because they think it is terrible--they just aren't really interested and don't want to hurt someone's feelings or they have better things to do. Honestly, when I gave multiple relatives copies of my master's thesis, they were all very proud of me, but only one of them actually read the darn thing. (My dad. ) But it never bothered me. I never really thought any of them would read it. LOL

Incidentally, if his dad talked a lot about the content of the book, that very well could have just dredged up unhappy childhood memories as much as if Bryer had read the book himself. MOO

 

[LoisLane]

Yes, I think we can say he was either indifferent about it and thought nothing would actually come of it (most likely IMO) or not happy about it.

Ok but if his dad revealed the content verbally.. then do you think Bryer would be upset about what is being written?

 

[LoisLane]

I would honestly be astonished if Bryer actually read the book. I never got the impression he was much of a reader, and if he had a learning disability like dyslexia, which had been widely speculated on here, he may have found it difficult to get through, beyond the emotional issues it may have dredged up.

Beyond all that, I think a lot of people get asked to read someone's book/manuscript and then never do. Not even because they think it is terrible--they just aren't really interested and don't want to hurt someone's feelings or they have better things to do. Honestly, when I gave multiple relatives copies of my master's thesis, they were all very proud of me, but only one of them actually read the darn thing. (My dad. ) But it never bothered me. I never really thought any of them would read it. LOL

Incidentally, if his dad talked a lot about the content of the book, that very well could have just dredged up unhappy childhood memories as much as if Bryer had read the book himself. MOO

AS talks a lot so I’m guessing he shared the content verbally. It may have lead Bryer to read it and maybe he did so without admitting it.

 

[Zella]

AS talks a lot so I’m guessing he shared the content verbally. It may have lead Bryer to read it and maybe he did so without admitting it.

That wouldn't surprise me! That's really the only scenario in which I could see him reading it.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I would honestly be astonished if Bryer actually read the book. I never got the impression he was much of a reader, and if he had a learning disability like dyslexia, which had been widely speculated on here, he may have found it difficult to get through, beyond the emotional issues it may have dredged up.

Yes that's the other thing that I was thinking of.

Beyond all that, I think a lot of people get asked to read someone's book/manuscript and then never do. Not even because they think it is terrible--they just aren't really interested and don't want to hurt someone's feelings or they have better things to do. Honestly, when I gave multiple relatives copies of my master's thesis, they were all very proud of me, but only one of them actually read the darn thing. (My dad. ) But it never bothered me. I never really thought any of them would read it. LOL

I'm part of a writers' group and I agree with this. There are even books/manuscripts my friends wrote that I fully intended to read and thought the content sounded interesting, but never actually did.

Incidentally, if his dad talked a lot about the content of the book, that very well could have just dredged up unhappy childhood memories as much as if Bryer had read the book himself. MOO

That's definitely possible.

However I think the timing of the trip had a lot to do with Bryer quitting the GED (and maybe other factors). Especially if he worked at Walmart for a few weeks and then realized the money wasn't going to be enough to ever move out on his own. I can definitely see how that would lead an already depressed and troubled 18-year-old with a complicated relationship with his family, to lose hope.

Ok but if his dad revealed the content verbally.. then do you think Bryer would be upset about what is being written?

Maybe? But if so I don't think he said anything about it, for reasons which I already mentioned.

AS talks a lot so I’m guessing he shared the content verbally. It may have lead Bryer to read it and maybe he did so without admitting it.

Now that's an interesting theory, if he did read it but never told his dad that he did! I can actually see this.

 

[MistyWaters]

Yes, I think we can say he was either indifferent about it and thought nothing would actually come of it (most likely IMO) or not happy about it.

I don’t know if you’ve followed this case:
Found Deceased - FL - Kristina French, 53, Neptune Beach, 21 Nov 2017 *Minor Grandson Arrested* #2

But it’s a tragic example of a child who becomes a pawn in the middle of feuding, vicious, antagonistic parents. In that case he murdered his grandmother, then stole her car, took off and eventually got caught because he didn’t realize he was on a highway, entering a border crossing into Canada.

I don’t believe any child is truly indifferent to one parent badmouthing the other, even if it might appear so on the surface.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I don’t know if you’ve followed this case:
Found Deceased - FL - Kristina French, 53, Neptune Beach, 21 Nov 2017 *Minor Grandson Arrested* #2

But it’s an example of a child who becomes a pawn in the middle of feuding, vicious, antagonistic parents. In that case he murdered his grandmother, then stole her car, took off and eventually got caught because he didn’t realize he was on a highway, entering a border crossing into Canada.

I don’t believe any child is truly indifferent to one parent badmouthing the other, even if it might appear so on the surface.

No, I haven't heard of this case before. In Bryer's case though, I suspect that he disliked his mom (due to whatever it was that caused him to move out) and was closer to his dad, so that might change his perception of it.

I guess it just seems weird to me that he would be so upset about it that he would go on this trip and end up harming random innocent people and killing himself alongside his lifelong best friend, instead of just, you know...coming out and telling his dad not to publish it or yelling at him for writing it in the first place. But, I guess all their decisions are fundamentally baffling to me, so in context it wouldn't be inconsistent.

 

[zinny77]

Yeah but would Bryer have taken it seriously, is the question, or just seen it as one more plan that wasn't going to work out? Would he even have bothered to read it? And how far away from the release date would he have read it? Did he even remember what the release date was?

If he read it, would it have dredged up a bunch of stuff from the past that he avoided thinking about, and worsened his rage and depression? Bryer's M.O. seemed to be to run away from problems and put emotional walls up -- would reading an account of his childhood traumas have forced him to face that stuff head-on in a way he couldn't handle? Even if he didn't think anyone else was actually going to read this book? And if so, would he have said anything to his dad about it?

Then we know he had quit working on the GED shortly before starting at Walmart. And he had quit school sometime before that and not graduated, and it's possible that being bullied contributed to his quitting school. And maybe there are other factors that we don't know about. So maybe we are getting a sense that things were collapsing in a way. Is it possible the book could have been one more factor?

It's possible the RCMP has investigated this, but right now we really can't say for sure one way or the other. I really want to know when the gun in mouth photo was posted relative to the trip, though.

I can't really see a scenario where Bryer was uncomfortable with the book being published and told his dad, and his dad wouldn't have respected his wishes though. It sounds like from their interactions that his dad tried not to step on his toes. For example although he was concerned and baffled, he didn't go helicopter parent when Bryer abruptly left.

According to this source

B.C. murder suspect not a neo-Nazi, is more fascinated by Russia, dad says

Bryer did graduate and wore the suit that day. I am slightly confused about it now I must say.

 

[NJSleuth91]

According to this source

B.C. murder suspect not a neo-Nazi, is more fascinated by Russia, dad says

Bryer did graduate and wore the suit that day. I am slightly confused about it now I must say.

Yeah but in the last interview his dad said he never graduated and was working on the GED but gave up on it shortly before starting at Walmart.

But, the account of Bryer graduating in this case came from the hotel owner, so it's possible he just assumed that's what it was. The suit thing also makes zero sense to me now though. I know Bryer spent some of his Walmart earnings on the suit so maybe he was just wearing it randomly to show his dad because he was proud of it? (And that's very eerie/sad in retrospect if he actually did intend for it to be his funeral suit.)

But also, I've heard in Canada you can walk at graduation if you are close to being done but not entirely done? But yeah I really have no idea. Why can't anything ever make sense in this case?

 

[zinny77]

Yeah but in the last interview his dad said he never graduated and was working on the GED but gave up on it shortly before starting at Walmart.

But, the account of Bryer graduating in this case came from the hotel owner, so it's possible he just assumed that's what it was. The suit thing also makes zero sense to me now though. I know Bryer spent some of his Walmart earnings on the suit so maybe he was just wearing it randomly to show his dad because he was proud of it? (And that's very eerie/sad in retrospect if he actually did intend for it to be his funeral suit.)

But also, I've heard in Canada you can walk at graduation if you are close to being done but not entirely done? But yeah I really have no idea. Why can't anything ever make sense in this case?

His Dad also said that he got a room in Port Alberni for Bryer's graduation. The only thing I can gather from that is that we can't really trust what Alan says (probably because he is delirious with pain).

Because there is an outside person confirming that Bryer has graduated. Or that him and his dad went to weirdly great lenght to pretend that he did.

 

[NJSleuth91]

His Dad also said that he got a room in Port Alberni for Bryer's graduation. The only thing I can gather from that is that we can't really trust what Alan says (probably because he is delirious with pain).

Because there is an outside person confirming that Bryer has graduated. Or that him and his dad went to weirdly great lenght to pretend that he did.

Yeah I truly have no clue. But we always suspected he didn't graduate because he wasn't listed on the school's website as having graduated or in any pictures from there.

 

[zinny77]

Yeah I truly have no clue. But we always suspected he didn't graduate because he wasn't listed on the school's website as having graduated or in any pictures from there.

I can't see him putting a suit on and bringing his Dad to the graduation to see other people graduate when he failed? That is one serious suit too. They took pictures of him in it. He looked happy and proud...

 

[NJSleuth91]

I can't see him putting a suit on and bringing his Dad to the graduation to see other people graduate when he failed? That is one serious suit too. They took pictures of him in it. He looked happy and proud...

He looked pretty depressed to me. His smile didn't reach his eyes.

But like...then why would his dad have said all that stuff about the GED in the last interview? Plus I read previously that someone in his family said he didn't graduate, but I don't remember who. It could have been that they let you walk at graduation if it's anticipated that you're going to be done really soon? I know some people said on here before that happens in Canada sometimes?

 

[Zella]

He looked pretty depressed to me. His smile didn't reach his eyes.

But like...then why would his dad have said all that stuff about the GED in the last interview? Plus I read previously that someone in his family said he didn't graduate, but I don't remember who. It could have been that they let you walk at graduation if it's anticipated that you're going to be done really soon? I know some people said on here before that happens in Canada sometimes?

To be honest, Alan has contradicted himself between interviews on both the graduation and talking to Mounties. This has been bothering me for a few days now--and I need to double check but haven't had time--but I could swear he talks about both of them just graduating--which was obviously wrong because Kam had graduated the previous year--and I am also pretty sure he mentions having spoken to the Mounties in either his first or second interview in the early days of the investigation.

So, his recent interviews where he's saying Bryer dropped out and was working on a GED he was struggling to obtain and that the Mounties never spoke to him until a week after they were found dead were a real about-face (if my memory isn't playing tricks on me).

I do think Bryer dropping out is probably more accurate and I feel sorry for Alan because he's in a terrible situation, but it makes me very hesitant to believe everything Alan says without some outside verification. I really do think the man is in a state of serious grief and is perhaps not in the best shape to be doing interviews right now. It's a very sad situation all around.

MOO

 

[zinny77]

He looked pretty depressed to me. His smile didn't reach his eyes.

But like...then why would his dad have said all that stuff about the GED in the last interview? Plus I read previously that someone in his family said he didn't graduate, but I don't remember who. It could have been that they let you walk at graduation if it's anticipated that you're going to be done really soon? I know some people said on here before that happens in Canada sometimes?

He doesn't look depressed at all in those pictures to me.

I don't think there is a why to what his father says and why he constantly contradicts himself. He just does. But there is no way to know what is true and what is not. And considering he is the only source of information in this case, he made it (involuntarily) it all the more confusing.

 

[Trooper]

I think B knew too. According to AS, B had “no hope” so he definitely wasn’t exited about the anticipated release IMO.

I reckon B told dad he 'had no hope' of extracting a house out of his self published memoirs, Dad absorbed the phrase into his lexicon, and now it's B with 'no hope'... That is now Alan's current narrative. Could change tomorrow if another appealing phrase pops up somewhere.

Alan , in the few live efforts I've seen of him, he has a major life long talent to run with a narrative and expand exponentially on it at the drop of a hat. It's a real skill.

Not a marketable skill, though.. I worry for the 'readers' of his memoirs.. surely the ex will take him to the cleaners, not that he has much, but he might have to pay some sum from any pension he is receiving, if a judge says it is vindictive, untrue, slanderous, libelous, take your pick.

 

[Trooper]

I can hardly credit Bryer with reading Dad's memoirs. He's been living with them since forever, same stuff, the same accusations, the same conclusions, the same convoluted scenario's where , every time, without fail, guess who comes out being done over? .. every.... damn... time.. !!. Guess who is the villain, the rotter, the wretch, … every ...damn....time!!..

Bryer wouldn't be expecting to find any new insights, or new perspectives in Dad's memoirs. He would have already known that to be one of those exercises that have their own redundancy already built in.

 

[srper2]

I don’t know if you’ve followed this case:
Found Deceased - FL - Kristina French, 53, Neptune Beach, 21 Nov 2017 *Minor Grandson Arrested* #2

But it’s a tragic example of a child who becomes a pawn in the middle of feuding, vicious, antagonistic parents. In that case he murdered his grandmother, then stole her car, took off and eventually got caught because he didn’t realize he was on a highway, entering a border crossing into Canada.

I don’t believe any child is truly indifferent to one parent badmouthing the other, even if it might appear so on the surface.

Are you discussing a case from a different thread, as this has nothing to do with the case being discussed here?

 

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