Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #20

[NJSleuth91]

@NJSleuth91 excellent post above! I completely agree with your observation of Kam's t-shirt. I remember I made mention a few weeks ago he probably had a thing for cats, Pokemon and Cthulhu and that is a great interpretation of the shirt's little narrative. Is it something soft, cute and cuddly like a cat or is it a cold, slimy creature from the darkest depths of the sea like some Lovecraftian monster or could it be one disguised as the other. In other words; how Kam looked on the outside paired with how he felt on the inside.

Exactly!

The more I think about it, the more I feel like their outfits can't have just been random clothes they just happened to put on. Like, maybe I'm just a crazy person, but I feel like once you see it you can't unsee it. There's clearly a message in there.

And, as I'm sure you all know, they wouldn't be the first teen killer duo to send messages through their clothing.........

I made mention in a private message that Kam and Bryer almost making it to the Hudson Bay had this symbolic, Cthulhu-esque feel to it, like they were giving themselves over to the sea when they realized there was nowhere left to go. Interesting, they would go on to leave one sea (the Pacific) to die on another. I even wondered if they wanted to die on the shore and they intended on following the river to the Hudson Bay.

Well weren't they like 30 or 60 miles from the sea, or something? Weird that supposedly their sleeping bag was found near Hudson Bay though (it must have drifted there with the current)...and then there is that Rust thing about the sleeping bag...so many possibilities in this case.

One more thing, seeing that final photo on Kam's Instagram from 2015, I got this overwhelming sense of loneliness and isolation, like that photo projected his future.

I do think that photo was just a strange coincidence since it's from four years ago. But I also felt creeped out when I saw it and had the same thoughts as you.

Very sad all round for everyone. I'm with you on the conference tomorrow. If they do release the full report, I don't think I'm ready... Even if it isn't the official report and they just announce formal charges I'm still nervous what else might be revealed. But I have to know.

I am legit terrified for this press conference and report. Do I even want to know the full story?

 

[FlyerFan28]

Some touching info in this article about Lucas and Chynna (BBM):

"By early January, though, he’d exhausted his 90 days in the United States, as allotted by the visa waiver program. So he moved to Fort Nelson, B.C., and took the ranch job. The way they saw it, he’d be 3,000 miles from her, but a hell of a lot closer than Australia.

A skilled mechanic, he fixed the ranch vehicles. When he coaxed a blue 1985 Econoline van to turn over again, his bosses were so impressed they gave it to him. He and Chynna came up with a plan for it: They would take a two-week vacation in July, just the two of them, driving and camping in northern Canada."

So how is it, they wonder, that most of the stories miss the important parts — Chynna and Lucas? How is it that their families can talk about them for two months, but now when a mother puts her daughter’s name into a web search, the first thing she sees are the faces of the men who killed her? How could someone who lived like Chynna lived be remembered more for how she died?

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The world knows Chynna Deese because of how she died. Now her family wants to make sure we remember how she lived.

I was just coming to post this...

 

[Valiant]

A skilled mechanic, he fixed the ranch vehicles. When he coaxed a blue 1985 Econoline van to turn over again, his bosses were so impressed they gave it to him. He and Chynna came up with a plan for it: They would take a two-week vacation in July, just the two of them, driving and camping in northern Canada."

They are bit off in their reporting. The van was not a Ford Econoline. It was a Chevrolet G10 van.

 

[LoisLane]

They are bit off in their reporting. The van was not a Ford Econoline. It was a Chevrolet G10 van.

Definitely not a Ford. If it was that would be a big problem.

1986 CHEV BONAVENTURE VAN - Weaver Bros. Auctions Ltd.

BLUE, GAS AUTO, 2WD, ODOMETER: 268,423 KM, VIN:2G8EG25H8G4113021, *AB REGISTERED

 

[sandbar]

Definitely not a Ford. If it was that would be a big problem.

1986 CHEV BONAVENTURE VAN - Weaver Bros. Auctions Ltd.

BLUE, GAS AUTO, 2WD, ODOMETER: 268,423 KM, VIN:2G8EG25H8G4113021, *AB REGISTERED

But if they gave LF the van, why was it up for auction?

 

[LoisLane]

But if they gave LF the van, why was it up for auction?

It was up for auction before it ended up at the farm. Not sure if it was the farm owner who bought it at auction. IIRC it was another worker from the farm but left it behind because it didn’t work.

 

[Kubirai]

A skilled mechanic, he fixed the ranch vehicles. When he coaxed a blue 1985 Econoline van to turn over again, his bosses were so impressed they gave it to him. He and Chynna came up with a plan for it: They would take a two-week vacation in July, just the two of them, driving and camping in northern Canada."

The world knows Chynna Deese because of how she died. Now her family wants to make sure we remember how she lived.

sbm ... just wanted to capture how they ended up on the road trip with that blue van.

There should be more articles like this, only about the victims.

 

[NJSleuth91]

That caught me by surprise too.

I enjoyed reading about Chynna's life though. Reading the story of a beautiful life taken from a women who had so much to give, just reaffirms my belief that we need to know WHY Chynna or anyone else died.

I sometimes feel guilty because we spend more time here talking about the suspects. But to be honest, I live in B.C. and have children just a few years older than KM and BS.

I come here because I want to know why this happened and maybe prevent my future grandchildren someday doing the same thing. I have a strong need to know what went wrong in this whole event. Was there a trigger the rest of us can avoid?

Thank you for the link @Lalalacasbah. Chynna sounds like a wonderful person and it's nice to read those memories by her family to remember her by.

BBM

Yes, it was nice to learn more about Chynna. Even though her life was tragically and needlessly cut short, she did seem to live about five ordinary lifetimes in her short years. She did a lot with the time she had and brought a lot of positivity to the world.

Also I want to play that "left-right-straight" game now...that's such a great idea for finding new places!

In an especially sad twist it seems like she was the type of person who devoted her life to helping troubled people -- between her volunteering with less fortunate people, majoring in psychology, and being very emotionally intelligent. It's just tragically ironic that someone like that was gunned down by two people for whom signs were missed for years, who clearly didn't get the mental health treatment they needed.

And for the bolded statement, agreed. And that's why I hope the RCMP releases information on motive, behavioral analysis, and what led up to this. It would be very strange if they didn't, since they specifically mentioned that they would be trying to figure out the motive and using behavioral analysts -- I can't imagine they would have specifically made a public statement about that if they intended not to release the findings. That's just asking for public outrage. And the public, especially people who knew Kam and Bryer, will not accept the official report if it doesn't have that information in it, I think. It seems like the people who knew them are still pretty baffled that this all happened.

I do think there will be an inquest though, although probably not for a while since those take time to put together. There's just so many things I can see that have to be questioned.

 

[Trooper]

There is absolutely no evidence, no report of Kam or Bryer being in any way mentally impaired. No evidence of 'signs being missed' Nothing of the sort. No evidence of signs being missed 'for years' either.

Certainly, AS has said he had a mental illness, sought treatment but was unhappy about the treatment he received, but nothing about any diagnostics of either Bryer or Kam on the mental health disability spectrum at all. Kam's father was specific in his description of his son as a normal boy, kind and caring...

A 'failure to thrive' is not a mental impairment. The alternative school thing may have been an intellectual disparity, nothing to do with mental illness.


It is tempting to lay their actions out on some mental problem, but this is a bit of a dodge , really. They may have been plain psychopaths. There are no 'signs' or 'treatment' for that. It is more than probable that , contrary to anybody 'missing signs,' these two simply decided to kill people, it is not an unknown phenomenon, an unpleasant one, but not unique.

It is reasonable to assume that the decisions they made were theirs, and theirs alone, it is muddying waters to start to lay it out on other people 'missing signs' . No one forced them to do what they did. They were not driven by some ideology or obsession, or fetish, or some uncontrollable urge.

I am hoping for (a) some direction as to where the weaponry came from, (b) some hint as to the type of guns, and (c) how much effort either of them put into firing practice before their venture into murder.

Also, I think back in Port Alberni there must be some record of these two lighting fires, randomly, for no apparent reason on the surface.

 

[sandbar]

It was up for auction before it ended up at the farm. Not sure if it was the farm owner who bought it at auction. IIRC it was another worker from the farm but left it behind because it didn’t work.

Thanks so much!

 

[sandbar]

"A skilled mechanic, he fixed the ranch vehicles."

I wonder what happened to the van, that LF couldn't fix. So SO so sad...

 

[Inkblot]

There is absolutely no evidence, no report of Kam or Bryer being in any way mentally impaired. No evidence of 'signs being missed' Nothing of the sort. No evidence of signs being missed 'for years' either.

Certainly, AS has said he had a mental illness, sought treatment but was unhappy about the treatment he received, but nothing about any diagnostics of either Bryer or Kam on the mental health disability spectrum at all. Kam's father was specific in his description of his son as a normal boy, kind and caring...

A 'failure to thrive' is not a mental impairment. The alternative school thing may have been an intellectual disparity, nothing to do with mental illness.


It is tempting to lay their actions out on some mental problem, but this is a bit of a dodge , really. They may have been plain psychopaths. There are no 'signs' or 'treatment' for that. It is more than probable that , contrary to anybody 'missing signs,' these two simply decided to kill people, it is not an unknown phenomenon, an unpleasant one, but not unique.

It is reasonable to assume that the decisions they made were theirs, and theirs alone, it is muddying waters to start to lay it out on other people 'missing signs' . No one forced them to do what they did. They were not driven by some ideology or obsession, or fetish, or some uncontrollable urge.

I am hoping for (a) some direction as to where the weaponry came from, (b) some hint as to the type of guns, and (c) how much effort either of them put into firing practice before their venture into murder.

Also, I think back in Port Alberni there must be some record of these two lighting fires, randomly, for no apparent reason on the surface.

Your one line sums it up... "No one forced them to do what they did." I still firmly believe it was some sort of "retaliation killings" for the world having done them wrong, or whatever they perceived, in order to feel vindicated in some sick way.

 

[Trooper]

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...ead-in-canada-farewelled-20190802-p52d7a.html


The difference between the lives of Lucas and Chynna and Prof Dyck , compared to the short life lived by Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmelgelsky is utterly stark.. One pair accomplished so much, and the other pair , so little.

 

[Trooper]

Your one line sums it up... "No one forced them to do what they did." I still firmly believe it was some sort of "retaliation killings" for the world having done them wrong, or whatever they perceived, in order to feel vindicated in some sick way.

I agree with your conclusion, also. Revenge and retaliation for some ridiculous perceived offense that required someone to pay. Didn't matter who.

And it needs to be remembered that they were, at heart, basically thieves , too. It is my working theory that they stole the guns and ammo, then they stole stuff from Lucas and Chynna 's van, maybe petty theft, to match their petty grievances, then onto grand larceny stealing Prof Dycks van. Three lives stolen, too.

 

[Zella]

Hey, folks, Mike Hager, the reporter who said law enforcement vacations had delayed updates, is saying final press conference on Friday, with what he notes is unusual--a technical briefing before an afternoon press conference.

Sounds like should be some detail then? Any Canadians heard of one of these technical briefings before? Ballistics? DNA?

On phone, otherwise I'd copy and paste.

 

[elondriel]

Hey, folks, Mike Hager, the reporter who said law enforcement vacations had delayed updates, is saying final press conference on Friday, with what he notes is unusual--a technical briefing before an afternoon press conference.

Sounds like should be some detail then? Any Canadians heard of one of these technical briefings before? Ballistics? DNA?

On phone, otherwise I'd copy and paste.

Found it, thank you @Zella
Mike Hager on Twitter

 

[LoisLane]

https://www.nelsonstar.com/news/rcmp-to-release-report-on-three-northern-b-c-homicides-on-friday/

“The RCMP plan to release their findings into the three homicides in northern B.C. that led to a nationwide manhunt for two suspects who eventually killed themselves in rural Manitoba.”

“Mounties said Wednesday they plan to hold a technical briefing and news conference on Friday afternoon at the E Division headquarters in Surrey.”

Eta.. add content

 

[LoisLane]

Found it, thank you @Zella
Mike Hager

Found it, thank you @Zella
Mike Hager on Twitter

on Twitter

The tweet:
On Friday BC #RCMP holding what looks to be final news conference on #CanadaManhunt, which left three people dead in Northern B.C. and two suspects killed in the wilds of Manitoba. Looks like they're taking the unusual step of a technical briefing before presser at 2:15pm.

 

[NJSleuth91]

https://www.nelsonstar.com/news/rcmp-to-release-report-on-three-northern-b-c-homicides-on-friday/

“Mounties said Wednesday they plan to hold a technical briefing and news conference on Friday afternoon at the E Division headquarters in Surrey.”

And the report is coming out too, according to the headline?!

Also wow, that's my 28th birthday...this is going to be the weirdest birthday ever.

 

[sandbar]

From Technical briefing to be offered on Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs | Royal Canadian Mounted Police
"...will provide a technical briefing to members of the media on the landscape of ****. This briefing will take place at RCMP Headquarters and is not for recording purposes. Following the briefing, Staff Sergeant ** of RCMP ** will be available for media interviews..."

For those wondering what an RCMP technical briefing might be, the above is from an announcement of a different technical briefing. Maybe LE has to familiarize media on terms, definitions, locations, and technologies employed in the investigation. That's how I read landscape.