Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #21

[Zella]

The Broughtons saw LF and CD having a picnic while waiting for the van to unflood. They stopped and asked if they needed assistance and then gave the couple some food before leaving and I bet the teens stole any food LF and CD had in the van. Later, they probably ate all the food LD had in the RAV4 ... maybe the pork chops. I haven't read of them buying food anywhere, but it's highly likely they bought snacks each time they filled up with gas.

There are several references to them buying food in the report, including donuts and candy bars, whose wrappers were found near to where Leonard Dyck was murdered, and a stop at McDonald's.

 

[JudgeJudi]

I’m not sure how lucrative or viable the barge business is in PA but for such a simple life and beautiful surroundings and a home on the lake he could have had an easy transition.

The business must have been reasonably profitable. That was their "dream home" on a 5 acre piece of land in a beautiful setting.

 

[JudgeJudi]

There are several references to them buying food in the report, including donuts and candy bars, whose wrappers were found near to where Leonard Dyck was murdered, and a stop at McDonald's.

When I said "food" I meant what you'd have for a normal meal, not donuts and candy bars. I didn't know about McDonalds.

 

[Zella]

When I said "food" I meant what you'd have for a normal meal, not donuts and candy bars. I didn't know about McDonalds.

Yeah I don't think they were eating anything one would consider a nutritionally balanced meal. Even the infamous pork chops seem to have been consumed solo and on the go.

 

[Jan424]

Well for starters, BS bought the jerry can and wore the cowboy hat, not KM as she states but where did she read this in the final report? Did I really miss this?

"According to police, Schmegelsky had hunted with his father in the area a number of times."

She also states it was Schmegelsky who purchased the gun at Cabela's. It was actually Kam, as we now know.
ETA: I see others have noted this error as well...

 

[Jan424]

Wait, I have a question. That article mixed up Bryer and Kam twice. They said Bryer bought the gun with his PAL, but Kam was the one who did that. And they said Kam bought the gas can while wearing the cowboy hat, but that was Bryer. (It's called editing, people!)

So does that mean Kam was actually the one who hunted with his dad in the area, not Bryer? Because that makes way more sense for a number of reasons. a) I doubt Bryer's dad could get a gun license with his criminal and mental health history, b) Kam had a PAL and Bryer didn't, c) Bryer's dad didn't see Bryer that often, and was also homeless for most of the time they were in contact after age 16.

Definitely makes more sense. She mixed them up too many times.

 

[Jan424]

I can't help but say... GOT is indeed violent (and I hate violent movies) but it had crazy good plot and excellent, solid characters. A little Shakespearean in a way. That is all

I loved GOT .... not ashamed to admit it. Violent but, as you said, excellent plot and acting was superb. Not to mention special effects top shelf.

 

[Jan424]

Well said Trooper, well said. Ten outta ten!

I second this!

 

[MistyWaters]

That this weapon SKS semi-automatic weapon was purchased just as the two were leaving home leaves no doubt in my mind a killing rampage was preplanned between both of them. While only K was registered to legally purchase buy a gun, no saying he didn’t buy it for B. The fact they were able to trick their family into high optimism over this venture believing they were going job hunting, is just so disgusting I can’t find the words.

I wonder if the photo of B resembled the earlier one of him with the air soft rifle, a diabolical yet intentional pic “look dad, see me now.” Horrible. Both had to have been psychopaths - no feelings whatsoever for other people including their own family members but especially those who they murdered, no remorse.


“On July 12, 2019, McLeod and Schmegelsky left their residence in Port Alberni, British Columbia. On the same day, they legally purchased one SKS semi-automatic rifle and a box of 20 rounds of Winchester 7.62 x 39mm ammunition using McLeod’s Possession and Acquisition License at Cabela’s in Nanaimo, BC.....

Still image #1 depicts Schmegelsky lying on his side posing with a SKS rife....”

“There were two SKS type firearms used in the offences, one of which has being identified as being purchased by McLeod on July 12, 2019 at the Cabela’s Store in Nanaimo, BC. The second is an older style SKS with numerous serial numbers indicating parts from different weapons were put together over the years. Investigators were unable to identify where this older SKS weapon or parts originated from.”
RCMP in British Columbia - Overview of Fort Nelson and Dease Lake Homicide Investigation


SKS semi-automatic rifles are manufactured in Russia -
Russian SKS Semi-Auto Rifle w/ Hardwood Stock | Cabela's Canada

 

[Runningforthewind]

I still wonder why the Cold Lake sighting wasn't included. It was a direct route to Meadowlake and there was nothing indicating the witness was not credible. Considering they included a sighting where the witness didn't get the colour of the truck and waited four days to report it.

 

[SovereignSnake]

"On July 20, as police started processing the crime scene near Dease Lake, the coroner confirmed that Dyck’s body had been moved from an unknown location. Out of consideration for his family, police won’t be releasing any details about Dyck’s death, other than he was shot with a SKS semi-automatic rifle, as well as suffered injuries to his head and body, including bruises and burn marks."

I'm getting the sense that Kam and Bryer did discover Leonard parked there late in the night, drove by, but realizing it didn't work when they parked so close as they did West of Haines Junction the night prior, they drove by, turned round, drove back up the road to keep a fair amount of distance between them and Leonard, then walked the ditch (note: "Scene 5 the Coffee Crisp wrapper" bought at the Super A earlier that afternoon) (also quick aside, what was found at the "Outhouses" and "Garbage Cans?") Anyway, so they're walking the ditch. I don't think one of them hid, while one of them approached the RAV. I mean what would you do if some tall kid walked up to your car in the darkness, wakes you up and is asking for help? Even if they told Leonard they had broken down, he likely still would have said; "Okay, hop in and we'll drive to your car or your friend." They had to get him out of the vehicle with no gun damage and no blood. I'm wondering if they walked up to the passenger/driver side window, tapped on the glass with the gun and Leonard awoke to a gun right in his face. Even with the window up, you're still very likely to be hit with a bullet before you can start the car, put it in reverse and floor it. I would say they made him get out of the RAV, Leonard probably thought it will be a simple robbery, I'll give them what they want and they'll let me go. Thinking these boys don't have the heart to shoot me. I think they shot him, he didn't die immediately, then they beat him with the gun, perhaps even both guns. The new one and the old clunky one. Reading that there were in fact burns makes me wonder also; were they going to actually burn Leonard and perhaps even the RAV then Kam or Bryer got the idea; "Wait, let's steal the RAV!" I do think their new MO after buying the gas can was looting, then burn the vehicles and bodies. They probably got so excited over the idea of stealing his car they decided; leave him, let's just take his car and go now. We'll drive back to the pickup, get our stuff and get out of here. Someone may have even drove by and spooked them from proceeding any further with burning Leonard's body (despite still taking the RAV) and that might explain the haste in which they got out of there and leaving so much of their own stuff behind. If you look in the back window in the better quality Fairview gas station photos on the 20th, it appears there was still a little room to stash their stuff, but not much. In fact is the blue object(s) the sleeping bags I'm seeing? I have to ask though; what was so appealing about the RAV and worth leaving their shelter and so much of their stuff behind? But the more I thought about it, maybe it was just some random clothes and their computers and monitors they left in the Camper. They took only what they absolutely needed. Anyway, were Kam and Bryer really questioning the pickup's integrity, knowing it wasn't going to last much longer. Or rather, was it a spur of the moment change of plans, realizing we just got a great new car that's completely unscathed with no broken windows or gunshot holes and mechanically sound but also not thinking ahead they would never get all their stuff in that little RAV. One more question; what exactly were they using on Leonard to leave these burn marks? A lighter?

 

[MistyWaters]

First para. obviously an error.

Maybe her info about BS hunting with his father came from the technical briefing before the presser. It's not in the report.

Have you noticed if any MSM released the full final report they were provided by the RCMP? I haven’t and the quantity of information released in media reports sure doesn’t seem consistent with a 13-page police report.

“A 13-page report released”....
Dead assailants recorded videos taking responsibility for three B.C. murders

 

[Kubirai]

Those orange/red markings on the ground at the top and right-hand side mean something, and obviously have nothing to do with shell casings. I think the large mark at the top may be his final resting place.
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I looked at all photos of this site, read all the articles, the report, and came up with this scenario:

Prof. Dyck's RAV4 was noticed by them earlier, in the Stikine River park, perhaps when KM/BS used the facilities shown in a map in the report. There are 4 locations in small zone, where RCMP found evidence.

They later found Prof. Dyck at the lookout, perhaps enjoying sunrise over the river and forest. They ran him over with their own truck, shot him at point blank range, and did other indignities.

The RAV4 and their own truck were both driven quickly to the burn site, some distance away from the body, in the opposite direction.

That was a ploy to make RCMP think the killers went north.

 

[MistyWaters]

"On July 20, as police started processing the crime scene near Dease Lake, the coroner confirmed that Dyck’s body had been moved from an unknown location. Out of consideration for his family, police won’t be releasing any details about Dyck’s death, other than he was shot with a SKS semi-automatic rifle, as well as suffered injuries to his head and body, including bruises and burn marks."

I'm getting the sense that Kam and Bryer did discover Leonard parked there late in the night, drove by, but realizing it didn't work when they parked so close as they did West of Haines Junction the night prior, they drove by, turned round, drove back up the road to keep a fair amount of distance between them and Leonard, then walked the ditch (note: "Scene 5 the Coffee Crisp wrapper" bought at the Super A earlier that afternoon) (also quick aside, what was found at the "Outhouses" and "Garbage Cans?") Anyway, so they're walking the ditch. I don't think one of them hid, while one of them approached the RAV. I mean what would you do if some tall kid walked up to your car in the darkness, wakes you up and is asking for help? Even if they told Leonard they had broken down, he likely still would have said; "Okay, hop in and we'll drive to your car or your friend." They had to get him out of the vehicle with no gun damage and no blood. I'm wondering if they walked up to the passenger/driver side window, tapped on the glass with the gun and Leonard awoke to a gun right in his face. Even with the window up, you're still very likely to be hit with a bullet before you can start the car, put it in reverse and floor it. I would say they made him get out of the RAV, Leonard probably thought it will be a simple robbery, I'll give them what they want and they'll let me go. Thinking these boys don't have the heart to shoot me. I think they shot him, he didn't die immediately, then they beat him with the gun, perhaps even both guns. The new one and the old clunky one. Reading that there were in fact burns makes me wonder also; were they going to actually burn Leonard and perhaps even the RAV then Kam or Bryer got the idea; "Wait, let's steal the RAV!" I do think their new MO after buying the gas can was looting, then burn the vehicles and bodies. They probably got so excited over the idea of stealing his car they decided; leave him, let's just take his car and go now. We'll drive back to the pickup, get our stuff and get out of here. Someone may have even drove by and spooked them from proceeding any further with burning Leonard's body (despite still taking the RAV) and that might explain the haste in which they got out of there and leaving so much of their own stuff behind. If you look in the back window in the better quality Fairview gas station photos on the 20th, it appears there was still a little room to stash their stuff, but not much. In fact is the blue object(s) the sleeping bags I'm seeing? I have to ask though; what was so appealing about the RAV and worth leaving their shelter and so much of their stuff behind? But the more I thought about it, maybe it was just some random clothes and their computers and monitors they left in the Camper. They took only what they absolutely needed. Anyway, were Kam and Bryer really questioning the pickup's integrity, knowing it wasn't going to last much longer. Or rather, was it a spur of the moment change of plans, realizing we just got a great new car that's completely unscathed with no broken windows or gunshot holes and mechanically sound but also not thinking ahead they would never get all their stuff in that little RAV. One more question; what exactly were they using on Leonard to leave these burn marks? A lighter?

I don’t think it’s appropriate for us to speculate about the specific details of Prof Dyck’s injuries given the reason the RCMP didn’t release further information is because of consideration and compassion to his family members. But as opposed to earlier theories he may’ve been run over accidentally, this was clearly a very brutal, vicious and intentional murder.

“On July 19, 2019, at approximately 8:29 a.m., a highway worker stopped and advised the Dease Lake RCMP officer at the burnt truck scene about a deceased male he had just located approximately 2 kilometers south. The deceased was an older male and he did not match the physical descriptors of McLeod. The deceased suffered injuries to his head and body, including bruises and burn marks. Initially, the cause of death was unknown. [The police are not releasing further details of the injuries out of respect for the deceased’s family and not to further victimize them.]”
Dead assailants recorded videos taking responsibility for three B.C. murders

 

[NJSleuth91]

Yeah I don't think they were eating anything one would consider a nutritionally balanced meal. Even the infamous pork chops seem to have been consumed solo and on the go.

Why would they? They were going to be dead in a week anyway....

"On July 20, as police started processing the crime scene near Dease Lake, the coroner confirmed that Dyck’s body had been moved from an unknown location. Out of consideration for his family, police won’t be releasing any details about Dyck’s death, other than he was shot with a SKS semi-automatic rifle, as well as suffered injuries to his head and body, including bruises and burn marks."

I'm getting this sense that they did discover Leonard parked there late in the night, drove by, but realizing it didn't work when they parked so close as they did West of Haines Junction the night prior, they drove by, turned round, drove back up the road to keep a fair amount of distance between them and Leonard, then walked the ditch (note: "Scene 5 the Coffee Crisp wrapper" bought at the Super A earlier that afternoon) (also quick aside, what was found at the "Outhouses" and "Garbage Cans?") Anyway, so they're walking the ditch. I don't think one of them hid, while one of them approached the RAV. I mean what would you do if some tall kid walked up to your car in the darkness, wakes you up and is asking for help? Even if they told Leonard they had broken down, he likely still would have said; "Okay, hop in and we'll drive to your car or your friend." They had to get him out of the vehicle with no gun damage and no blood. I'm wondering if they walked up to the passenger/driver side window, tapped on the glass with the gun and Leonard awoke to a gun right in his face. Even with the window up, you're still very likely to be hit with a bullet before you can start the car, put it in reverse and floor it. I would say they made him get out of the RAV, Leonard probably thought it will be a simple robbery, I'll give them what they want and they'll let me go. Thinking these boys don't have the heart to shoot me. I think they shot him, he didn't die immediately, then they beat him with the gun, perhaps even both guns. The new one and the old clunky one. Reading that there were in fact burns makes me wonder also; were they going to actually burn Leonard and perhaps even the RAV then Kam or Bryer got the idea; "Wait, let's steal the RAV!" I do think their new MO after buying the gas can was looting, then burn the vehicles and bodies. They probably got so excited over the idea of stealing his car they decided; leave him, let's just take his car and go now. We'll drive back to the pickup, get our stuff and get out of here. Someone may have even drove by and spooked them from proceeding any further with burning Leonard's body (despite still taking the RAV) and that might explain the haste in which they got out of there and leaving so much of their own stuff behind. If you look in the back window in the better quality Fairview gas station photos on the 20th, it appears there was still a little room to stash their stuff, but not much. In fact is the blue object(s) the sleeping bags I'm seeing? I have to ask though; what was so appealing about the RAV and worth leaving their shelter and so much of their stuff behind? But the more I thought about it, maybe it was just some random clothes and their computers and monitors they left in the Camper. They took only what they absolutely needed. Anyway, were Kam and Bryer really questioning the pickup's integrity, knowing it wasn't going to last much longer. Or rather, was it a spur of the moment change of plans, realizing we just got a great new car that's completely unscathed with no broken windows or gunshot holes and mechanically sound but also not thinking ahead they would never get all their stuff in that little RAV. One more question; what exactly were they using on Leonard to leave these burn marks? A lighter?

So in the report it says "On July 20, 2019, police started processing the Dease Lake crime scene. Initially there was no obvious cause of death but upon the arrival of the coroner later that day the body was moved and a believed to be single entry/exit wound for a bullet was located."

To me that indicates that the gunshot was what killed him and the other injuries were non-life-threatening.

I'm not sure if forensics could determine whether the burn marks were pre- or post-mortem, ie. were they trying to burn his body to hide the evidence like they did with their truck, but weren't able to? (And I'm not about to Google "how difficult is it to burn a corpse"...not trying to be on a watchlist here!)

Anyone have any ideas on why the police charged it as second degree murder? I think that caused a lot of the confusion about this case.

Also as for why they took the car: a) because of the failed killing on the 17th where their truck was spotted, b) I think they actually were having vehicle troubles.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Also noticed this from the report: "Victims from both scenes suffered gunshot wounds in similar locations"

I wonder if that means that all of them were shot in the back of the head, like how Kam shot Bryer. It sounds like it, considering: a) Professor Dyck's gunshot wound was not seen until his body was moved, b) Chynna suffered gunshot related injuries to the face which people speculated was from an exit wound that went through the back of her head.

Not to get too gory, but it sounds like maybe the other injuries were to disable the victims and then the final kill shot was administered to the back of the head and that particular method had some symbolic significance for these guys.

 

[Chingaling]

Does any kind soul have a link to the RCMP report?I am pages behind here and I had it book marked and none of them are the right one.I remember it had Report on it.TIA

 

[demetra]

I cant help but wonder about the bruises and burns on Prof. Dyck..If perhaps he approached k&b after they light the truck on fire maybe he noticed the fire and stopped or he noticed the boys walking and they told him they were having truck issues and offered to help. somehow he got burns either trying to help or they intentionally tried to burn him. all JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

I still wonder why the Cold Lake sighting wasn't included. It was a direct route to Meadowlake and there was nothing indicating the witness was not credible. Considering they included a sighting where the witness didn't get the colour of the truck and waited four days to report it.

I notice that the vast majority of the locations specified on the map between BC and Manitoba were gas stations, “observed” probably by police through CCTV?


RCMP in British Columbia - Overview of Fort Nelson and Dease Lake Homicide Investigation
“....On July 19, 2019, at approximately 4:47 p.m., McLeod and Schmegelsky purchased a crow bar and electrical tape at a Vanderhoof hardware store. [This electrical tape is believed to have been used by McLeod and Schmegelsky to put racing stripes on the hood and back tire of the RAV4 in order to change the appearance of the vehicle. The surveillance video from Vanderhoof showed no distinct marks on the RAV4.]

On July 20, 2019 at 5:34 p.m., McLeod and Schmegelsky were observed making purchases at a gas store in Fairview, Alberta.

On July 21, 2019, at 2:30 p.m., McLeod and Schmegelsky were observed at a gas station in Meadow Lake in Saskatchewan, driving a silver RAV4. [This surveillance video established McLeod and Schmegelsk....”

 

[CaseZero]

Is it possible that K and B came up on the van of L and C not realizing anyone was inside? They were maybe wanting to loot it or use it for target practice? Then were surprised when Lucas and Chynna came out?

There seems to have been quite the escalation in violence from the L and C crime scene to the LD one, in the sense that, from what the coroner’s report indicates, L and C were shot multiple times whereas there was blunt force trauma and burn marks on LD. Plus the fact that LD’s family have requested his cause of death not be released. The multiple shots fired at L and C makes me think K and B were stunned when two people emerged from the van, so just started shooting them. Their subsequent trip to the Yukon gave them time to discuss what had happened and create a plan for the next encounter. I believe K and B were taken by surprise by having to face two targets as they seemed to enjoy the idea of a 2 against one situation better. Hence, the encounter with the one man in Haines Junction and then LD. MOO.

I also believe we will discover more about KM’s background over time. I find it hard to believe there were no signs that he had issues leading up to this horrendous event.