Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #22

[Kubirai]

Leonard Dyck and Lucas Fowler's birthdays, July 9 to Sept 30, sort of book-end this tragedy.

Prof. Dyck celebrated his 64th birthday at home on July 9, and probably decided to go on a relaxing field trip the next weekend.

Lucas and Chynna were finishing up their chores at the ranch, and buying supplies for their exciting Yukon/Alaska adventure.

Unknown to them, 2 young men were also planning a road trip, but with 2 guns and lots of ammo.

 

[amizeee]

Good find CS. Churlish of me perhaps, to notice where Australians believe Hudson Bay to exist - @1:35min it presents a map showing it in Saskatchewan. Don't much like the reporter's cheeriness either, but that's today's news, in sound bites.

My thoughts exactly re Hudson Bay being in Saskatchewan.

There's a Hudson Bay in Saskatchewan as well, so I can see how they could make this mistake but also, do reporters not do their research/proof read before going live to the world?? Have seen so much poor reporting on this case over the last two months. SMH.

 

[Razzah108]

Hi everyone, I have been following this case since its beginning.. anyway, I was just watching a video on youtube and thought I'd share it here since Bryer's dad is talking about his son in the comment section:

"I am asking for a federal public inquiry with just cause. I rescued my kid in 2016 only to have port alberni rcmp and vicpd abduct him against his wishes, he truly wanted to emancipate himself from his guardians and he begged and pleaded NOT to be returned to port alberni."

 

[Castlinghigh]

I agree, but when I said Kam could've had a moment of reflection, I didn't mean for his victims, their family, or his own family.. I think he just could of had a moment of reality where he thought about his own death, maybe about the best friend he just killed and what their plan was supposed to be, what they had wanted to achieve, but the failure they/he accomplished.... and he knew this was the end for him, so he could have been thinking of that as well.... Even "psychopaths" cry for themselves if no one else will. And "psychopaths" feel sorry for themselves when no one else can.. If he really was a psychopath he could easily have likely shed a tear for himself while having no remorse for anyone else.

great observation

 

[sandbar]

DBM

 

[SovereignSnake]

I'm still very curious about what was found at the "Outhouses" and the "Garbage Can" Scenes. Another question I have lingering; I'm finding it odd that in the coroner's report they said Leonard's body had been moved but it wasn't clear how far or from what point of origin? I was under the impression he could have been moved several feet and that would be enough to imply his body was moved from the actual spot he was killed. The coroner wasn't suggesting Leonard's body was brought there from somewhere else correct? Also, others had been asking if it was Bryer and Kam who shot Leonard, I think since Bryer attempted to get the guy parked on the side of the highway West of Haines Junction, they may have taken turns even. (Remember the witness said the person got out of the passenger side of the pickup and started making his way down the treeline towards them.) Something makes me think Bryer was the more trigger happy of the two and perhaps wanted another shot (so to speak) and thus he was the one who shot Leonard. But it was still 2 against 1 and Kam was there, didn't fire (or as I've been theorizing, maybe that older, clunky looking rifle stopped working so they only had the new rifle to share between the two of them) but it's quite clear they both indeed physically attacked Leonard aside from the gunshot. Kam even could have been the one to strike Leonard after Bryer shot him. Yet also consider, as we saw two days later in the Meadow Lake footage, neither of them looked like they had been hit, no black eyes, no visible scratches or scuffs, even on Kam's arms, no bruising (that was visible.) This tells me that perhaps, when they struck Leonard leaving the bruises described, it was after they shot him. It's totally 50/50 on who shot Leonard but I'm going to say it was Bryer.

 

[CinNC]

DBM

 

[NJSleuth91]

I'm still very curious about what was found at the "Outhouses" and the "Garbage Can" Scenes. Another question I have lingering; I'm finding it odd that in the coroner's report they said Leonard's body had been moved but it wasn't clear how far or from what point of origin? I was under the impression he could have been moved several feet and that would be enough to imply his body was moved from the actual spot he was killed. The coroner wasn't suggesting Leonard's body was brought there from somewhere else correct? Also, others had been asking if it was Bryer and Kam who shot Leonard, I think since Bryer attempted to get the guy parked on the side of the highway West of Haines Junction, they may have taken turns even. (Remember the witness said the person got out of the passenger side of the pickup and started making his way down the treeline towards them.) Something makes me think Bryer was the more trigger happy of the two and perhaps wanted another shot (so to speak) and thus he was the one who shot Leonard. But it was still 2 against 1 and Kam was there, didn't fire (or as I've been theorizing, maybe that older, clunky looking rifle stopped working so they only had the new rifle to share between the two of them) but it's quite clear they both indeed physically attacked Leonard aside from the gunshot. Kam even could have been the one to strike Leonard after Bryer shot him. Yet also consider, as we saw two days later in the Meadow Lake footage, neither of them looked like they had been hit, no black eyes, no visible scratches or scuffs, even on Kam's arms, no bruising (that was visible.) This tells me that perhaps, when they struck Leonard leaving the bruises described, it was after they shot him. It's totally 50/50 on who shot Leonard but I'm going to say it was Bryer.

Yes I also noticed the lack of defensive wounds. And during the Cold Lake sighting (if that was even confirmed -- the RCMP said it was initially, but it wasn't in the report, although they may have just left it out because it wasn't as definitive as surveillance footage) and I believe also during the police sighting, the witnesses said Bryer wasn't wearing long sleeves, and they didn't say anything about defensive wounds either.

Honestly -- and I hate speculating on the gory stuff -- I wonder if the injuries were caused by running him over, as we speculated before the report came out. That would explain why they burned their vehicle afterwards and why the police said in the report that they did it to cover up evidence. Additionally, it would also fit their M.O. on the 17th of one of them being in the car slowly pulling forward, and the other approaching in an ambush with a gun. That could also explain how his body was "moved" depending on how it all played out.

Maybe in Lucas and Chynna's murders, they almost got away (I imagine it would be hard to shoot fast moving targets accurately in the middle of the night) and so Kam and Bryer switched to an alternate M.O.

 

[Trooper]

Good find CS. Churlish of me perhaps, to notice where Australians believe Hudson Bay to exist - @1:35min it presents a map showing it in Saskatchewan. Don't much like the reporter's cheeriness either, but that's today's news, in sound bites.

It is one of the requirements of employment with Channel 9 that a total rejection of geography outside AU is mandatory. You should see what they can do to Chinese mainland towns. And even, at times, of local errors. Cheeriness is obligatory, also, and is not meant to have any bearing on the content of news being read.

It would never occur to the news reader to adjust her boppy reading style to the comfort of Canadian viewers. You actually don't affect the ratings.

 

[Trooper]

posted Sep 28 2019.


'Al Schmegelsky2 days ago
Everyone wants to know what really led up to this. I constantly communicate with Tanya Fletcher as well as dozens of reporters around the globe. Truth is I have been more outspoken in all this than anyone. 60 minutes didn't pay me a nickel and I didn't ask. I am asking for a federal public inquiry with just cause. I rescued my kid in 2016 only to have port alberni rcmp and vicpd abduct him against his wishes, he truly wanted to emancipate himself from his guardians and he begged and pleaded NOT to be returned to port alberni. Tanya Fletcher has the police file numbers as do a lot of news people. RCMP want to pretend these files don't exist even though I openly discussed them with rcmp Friday afternoon. Stop being trolls, we have to prevent authorities from acting "in a discriminating manner," facts TRUMP lies, let's put the facts on the table.'


Al is out of the starter blocks earlier than even I predicted. He did say, thru his lawyer that he had been 'thinking on many theories' for a long time... an ominous warning, for sure. And predictably , he deals with the financials first. ..


What, generally speaking , would Al be referring to when he says he 'rescued' his kid'?... is he hinting at some underground cult thingy in Port Alberni? that everyone in PA is in on? .. What trouble do you think he was in that he didn't want to 'return to Port Alberni'? .. . ..

Not that it is of any matter that would change the outcome...

 

[Trooper]

uhoh… I think that Al is now going to try and sheet all this horror back to Bryer's 'guardians'.. nothing to do with him, nothing at all. …nothing to do with his son's choices. Nothing at all. Would that be the long suffering mother and grandmother? …

 

[dust bunny]

posted Sep 28 2019.


'Al Schmegelsky2 days ago
Everyone wants to know what really led up to this. I constantly communicate with Tanya Fletcher as well as dozens of reporters around the globe. Truth is I have been more outspoken in all this than anyone. 60 minutes didn't pay me a nickel and I didn't ask. I am asking for a federal public inquiry with just cause. I rescued my kid in 2016 only to have port alberni rcmp and vicpd abduct him against his wishes, he truly wanted to emancipate himself from his guardians and he begged and pleaded NOT to be returned to port alberni. Tanya Fletcher has the police file numbers as do a lot of news people. RCMP want to pretend these files don't exist even though I openly discussed them with rcmp Friday afternoon. Stop being trolls, we have to prevent authorities from acting "in a discriminating manner," facts TRUMP lies, let's put the facts on the table.'


Al is out of the starter blocks earlier than even I predicted. He did say, thru his lawyer that he had been 'thinking on many theories' for a long time... an ominous warning, for sure. And predictably , he deals with the financials first. ..


What, generally speaking , would Al be referring to when he says he 'rescued' his kid'?... is he hinting at some underground cult thingy in Port Alberni? that everyone in PA is in on? .. What trouble do you think he was in that he didn't want to 'return to Port Alberni'? .. . ..

Not that it is of any matter that would change the outcome...

 

[CinNC]

It would appear that AS is screwed no matter what he does, now.

If he speaks out, people find fault. If he says ten words, the narratives assigned to his intent consist of one hundred words, and so on. If he is quiet from here on out, people will suspect him of subterfuge anyway. The man may or may not be a horrible father, but he didn't kill anyone and I for one believe his suffering is very real.

Perhaps ... just PERHAPS there is truth in what he says. I'm not talking about deflecting blame or fault for the way BS turned out. I'm talking about the fact that there is the possibility that the mother is a big part of this problem. I have a distant cousin whose mother abused her all of her life and once, while drunk, tried to kill her when she was about 14. And through it all my cousin met many other kids in the same boat. Yet still, the court ruled in favor of the mother when it came to custody. It happens.

Moms typically get the benefit of the doubt and I'm not saying that isn't justified. But sometimes, dads are mercilessly "raped" by the court system when it comes to child support and custody. I've seen it with my own eyes, up close and personal, so to speak.

 

[Bluepopsicle]

Good find CS. Churlish of me perhaps, to notice where Australians believe Hudson Bay to exist - @1:35min it presents a map showing it in Saskatchewan. Don't much like the reporter's cheeriness either, but that's today's news, in sound bites.

Mmhmm.... makes one wonder, whether they teach geography in Aussie schools

 

[sprucetip]

Interesting article about a father and his two adult sons' trip through Hudson Bay in a sailboat. It makes it obvious, through their log, how difficult it would be for two inexperienced mariners. The weather conditions, shallow water, water temps and storms/wind that come up quickly would be challenging to even the most experienced mariners. It's not a long article and talks about the Cree and Inuit communities along the Bay's shores and is very enlightening.

As far as hijacking a ship, the only port in Hudson Bay where Panamax (read: BIG) transoceanic vessels call is Churchill. Given that Hudson Bay is a compulsory sea pilot waterway, the idea of two teens (even armed) getting past all of the longshoremen and onto the ship and holding the pilot, Captain, officers, and crew at bay during a sea voyage are fantasies, at best. Even if they managed to both stay awake and continue holding a crew of about 20 people hostage for the entire voyage, there is the other end of the trip when a vessel has to get clearance into a port to dock and take a local pilot onboard to safely get them there, and more longshoremen are needed to tie the vessel up. The idea of doing all of this while evading detection or arrest is truly ludicrous.

If they knew one iota of what they were suggesting they would have realized it was pure fantasy to even think about it. None of this even takes into consideration the fact that the Bay is frozen and unnavigable for large AND small craft after early Autumn, so they wouldn't have had much time to "march there" and "hijack a boat".

https://www.sailmagazine.com/cruising/cruising-the-hudson-bay-canada

I know this has already been discussed, but I was poking around online looking for navigation data in Hudson Bay and thought this article was interesting.

Great find. I can’t help but think they were just lying about this plan because it’s so absolutely ridiculous and unattainable.

I also think they were putting on a tough guy act, knowing the police would find the videos. It also explains why ‘we’re gonna go kill more people first’ never happened. I don’t buy that they were trapped there, the treed area of the slope could have been scrambled up.

I think they were tired of running and just ran out of ideas and options. And they were too scared to go back, knowing the police were everywhere.

 

[Trooper]

Mmhmm.... makes one wonder, whether they teach geography in Aussie schools

sure they do, but they don't teach Canadian geography in Au schools. Whereas, from K and B's grasp it 's hard to believe they even teach Canadian geography in Canadian Schools. Getting to Africa thru Hudsons Bay.. … with winter coming on....

 

[CinNC]

Great find. I can’t help but think they were just lying about this plan because it’s so absolutely ridiculous and unattainable.

I agree, and I too think they were putting on a tough guy act, knowing the police would find the videos. It also explains why ‘we’re gonna go kill more people first’ never happened. I don’t buy that they were trapped there, the treed area of the slope could have been scrambled up.

I think they were tired of running and just ran out of ideas and options. And they were too scared to go back, knowing the police were everywhere.

I agree that there was bravado coming out of every fiber of their beings. I think I keep harping on the boat hijack topic simply because I used to be in the US Merchant Marine and know a fair amount about all things that float, and how to get them from point A to point B.

I think that their minds were working overtime, which MAY have been exacerbated by use of a substance. They were no doubt discussing many, many scenarios and editing them as fast as the ideas came out of their mouths. After all, what else did they have to do when they were idle? I doubt if either of them spent a lot of quiet, contemplative time after they left PA They just happened to turn the video on to record themselves when they came up with something they thought was particularly clever and outlandish to say, and then changed the verbal scenario as soon as they turned the camera off. MOO

 

[dust bunny]

I suspect that AS is implying that he 'rescued' his son from his ex and BS's mother (the "Hex") when BS quit school in 2016 and ran away from PA to live with AS for a short period of time in Victoria. I gather this was very short-lived and may well have been curtailed by the intervention of social services and/or the police who likely returned him to his mother/grandmother (the "guardians"). BS was a minor at the time and his mother had custody. I believe AS was homeless then as well.

Sorry to say once again but IMO the blame game is AS's favourite theme song and I strongly doubt that he will stop singing it every chance he gets.

 

[Runningforthewind]

It would appear that AS is screwed no matter what he does, now.

If he speaks out, people find fault. If he says ten words, the narratives assigned to his intent consist of one hundred words, and so on. If he is quiet from here on out, people will suspect him of subterfuge anyway. The man may or may not be a horrible father, but he didn't kill anyone and I for one believe his suffering is very real.

Perhaps ... just PERHAPS there is truth in what he says. I'm not talking about deflecting blame or fault for the way BS turned out. I'm talking about the fact that there is the possibility that the mother is a big part of this problem. I have a distant cousin whose mother abused her all of her life and once, while drunk, tried to kill her when she was about 14. And through it all my cousin met many other kids in the same boat. Yet still, the court ruled in favor of the mother when it came to custody. It happens.

Moms typically get the benefit of the doubt and I'm not saying that isn't justified. But sometimes, dads are mercilessly "raped" by the court system when it comes to child support and custody. I've seen it with my own eyes, up close and personal, so to speak.

But typically at age sixteen, the courts will usually let the child choose where to live. The fact Bryer was given no say sounds like something else is going on. I don't doubt there is truth to his words. He likely was given a hand. Bryer's mother likely had made it so difficult for Alan to see his son. I don't know what AS did to get criminal harassment charges brought up against him. He had to have done something in excess. If he truly just wanted to see his son, and his ex wasn't letting him, then yeah I can sympathize with that. Also, we only have what AS is saying to base an opinion. Somewhere there is her side of the story, his side of the story and the truth. Either way, they both let him down.

BS was a minor at the time and his mother had custody. I believe AS was homeless then as well.

I think he had a place then, and after they took Bryer a second time, he went down hill. I swear he said he was only homeless the last two years.

 

[NJSleuth91]

It would appear that AS is screwed no matter what he does, now.

If he speaks out, people find fault. If he says ten words, the narratives assigned to his intent consist of one hundred words, and so on. If he is quiet from here on out, people will suspect him of subterfuge anyway. The man may or may not be a horrible father, but he didn't kill anyone and I for one believe his suffering is very real.

Perhaps ... just PERHAPS there is truth in what he says. I'm not talking about deflecting blame or fault for the way BS turned out. I'm talking about the fact that there is the possibility that the mother is a big part of this problem. I have a distant cousin whose mother abused her all of her life and once, while drunk, tried to kill her when she was about 14. And through it all my cousin met many other kids in the same boat. Yet still, the court ruled in favor of the mother when it came to custody. It happens.

Moms typically get the benefit of the doubt and I'm not saying that isn't justified. But sometimes, dads are mercilessly "raped" by the court system when it comes to child support and custody. I've seen it with my own eyes, up close and personal, so to speak.

I agree on the finding fault thing. People have judged Bryer's dad for speaking out. They've also judged Kam's family and Bryer's mom and grandma for not speaking out. No matter what they do, someone is going to judge and accuse them of covering things up or lying.

I don't want to blame anyone with no evidence. We'll see what comes out in the future -- and I'm sure more stuff will come out. But the research does show that people who commit violent crimes have a very high rate of abuse in their backgrounds, and usually severe abuse. Plus there was that interview from his neighbor's mom, who knew him from ages 11-13, where she made allusions to a lot of things.

The really interesting thing is his lawyer is convinced there will be an inquest. If it was just him saying it I'd be like "whatever." But she seems totally, 100% convinced of it. And I think she's doing all this work pro bono -- I mean, she must be, he's homeless. I don't think she'd be doing all this if she didn't think there was something there.

Either way I'm very interested to see what happens with all this.

Great find. I can’t help but think they were just lying about this plan because it’s so absolutely ridiculous and unattainable.

I also think they were putting on a tough guy act, knowing the police would find the videos. It also explains why ‘we’re gonna go kill more people first’ never happened. I don’t buy that they were trapped there, the treed area of the slope could have been scrambled up.

I think they were tired of running and just ran out of ideas and options. And they were too scared to go back, knowing the police were everywhere.

I agree that there was bravado coming out of every fiber of their beings. I think I keep harping on the boat hijack topic simply because I used to be in the US Merchant Marine and know a fair amount about all things that float, and how to get them from point A to point B.

I think that their minds were working overtime, which MAY have been exacerbated by use of a substance. They were no doubt discussing many, many scenarios and editing them as fast as the ideas came out of their mouths. After all, what else did they have to do when they were idle? I doubt if either of them spent a lot of quiet, contemplative time after they left PA They just happened to turn the video on to record themselves when they came up with something they thought was particularly clever and outlandish to say, and then changed the verbal scenario as soon as they turned the camera off. MOO

I think there were two, and only two options:

a) They were making outlandish statements (the boat thing, and going back to kill more people in the midst of a huge manhunt when they were dozens of miles from civilization) to be dramatic, express their anger, gain more notoriety, shock people even more, and add to the "militia" narrative that they hoped would surround them.

b) They were completely delusional.

Or some combination of those two.

Personally I think it was probably a). I think it's similar to how Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold wrote that after blowing up their school, they would hijack a plane and crash it into NYC. They probably knew that wouldn't be feasible, but it was dramatic and showed the extent of their anger at the world.