Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #22

[KR72]

Hnm, weird. Canadian curriculum teaches WORLD geography. It’s been awhile since I was in school but I still remember the territories of AU. I can’t speak to B & K’s lack of knowledge, but I know most of my fellow Canadians understand the folly of hijacking a boat to travel to EU/Africa. However, that being said, if one was so silly to try and attempt to go through the Hudson Bay, July/August would definitely be the time to travel. “Winter coming on” in the Hudson Bay wouldn’t really come about until October/November.

On top of being a couple of killers, they don't sound very bright at all. To me, the thought of commandeering a ship and taking it to Europe or Africa from Hudson's Bay sounds like something a couple of eight to 10 year olds would dream up.

 

[CinNC]

Way back on one of the earlier threads there was a link to his court records.

Yes, but his court records reflect his ex's legal actions and accusations based on her own point of view. Which could be realistic, and could be the ravings of a madwoman. My point is that its easy for us, me included, to assume things based on snippets of information. We don't really know what transpired between AS and his ex.

 

[CinNC]

On top of being a couple of killers, they don't sound very bright at all. To me, the thought of commandeering a ship and taking it to Europe or Africa from Hudson's Bay sounds like something a couple of eight to 10 year olds would dream up.

Exactly! A Peter Pan fantasy! Or too much Captain Jack Sparrow.

 

[Trooper]

Hnm, weird. Canadian curriculum teaches WORLD geography. It’s been awhile since I was in school but I still remember the territories of AU. I can’t speak to B & K’s lack of knowledge, but I know most of my fellow Canadians understand the folly of hijacking a boat to travel to EU/Africa. However, that being said, if one was so silly to try and attempt to go through the Hudson Bay, July/August would definitely be the time to travel. “Winter coming on” in the Hudson Bay wouldn’t really come about until October/November.

Calgary reported a big snowstorm last week....

sure, World geo is taught in AU schools, but hey ho, let's look on the bright side, at least the reporter got it PARTLY right, eh? . let's not get too picky. Wanna 3rd round.?

 

[Trooper]

Agreed. I don't blame any of them for staying quiet. When a person is under emotional siege, they build a brick wall around themselves for protection.

Who knows (we don't) what the real story is between the two parents, though. After all, KM's parents are together as far as we know and look how HE turned out. The fact that the parents of BS hate each other is a side dish, in a way. JMO

I must say, I am astonished that Al has not yet got to where it's Kam that shot his boy, Kam who had the truck that took him away from Port Alberni, Kam's money that bought the extra SKS, Kam who was his partner in every sense of the word, ..

Al just bypasses all this and gets stuck over and over on the ex and the RCMP.

 

[KR72]

Exactly! A Peter Pan fantasy! Or too much Captain Jack Sparrow.

Yes, like a couple of actual "little" boys playing Huck Finn. Not that these two would have read any literary classics, lol.

 

[CinNC]

A town-wide cult.. I think that's a bit of a stretch. I think Al meant Bryer wanted away from his living situation with his mom in Port Alberni (although didn't he live with his grandma? or did his mom also live with grandma?). Who knows though, Al obviously has a grudge against his ex, Bryer's mother. He has no shortage of negative things to say about her. Maybe Al just wants to shift the blame on her or just away from himself... maybe that's just how he's dealing with it, maybe there's truth to it. I don't see why a 16 year old teen would want to move away from the town where his best friend since childhood, the one he seemed to be attached to like glue to, lived...

Possibly, he ended up with his grandmother because it was the least objectionable scenario.

But that's a good point about him not wanting to move away from KM. He may have been willing to endure an unpleasant situation at home to be near KM. He did have a stepfather, and relationships between teenaged boys and stepfathers that are new on the scene can be distraught with all sorts of negativity. Certainly it applies to girls, too, but I'm just speaking from my own experiences and observations about teen boys and a new stepdad moving into the home. It can be absolute fireworks.

No matter which of BS's parents were "more responsible" for the negative energy in the family's relationship, we can say with a fair amount of confidence that BS never learned to work through anger issues constructively in his emotional relationships.

 

[KR72]

Possibly, he ended up with his grandmother because it was the least objectionable scenario.

But that's a good point about him not wanting to move away from KM. He may have been willing to endure an unpleasant situation at home to be near KM. He did have a stepfather, and relationships between teenaged boys and stepfathers that are new on the scene can be distraught with all sorts of negativity. Certainly it applies to girls, too, but I'm just speaking from my own experiences and observations about teen boys and a new stepdad moving into the home. It can be absolute fireworks.

Maybe the new stepfather wasn't tolerating any disrespect that BS showed towards his mother and reprimanded him for it.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I agree, perhaps Bryer's behaviour made an impossible situation even worse? I don't blame either AS or BS's mother for having difficulty handling the situation. I know a divorced couple, both of whom are good parents with resources, stable jobs, who've maintained a decent relationship who have had endless problems with one of their sons, to the point where the son, at 16, was "voluntarily" surrendered to CFS because his issues are so great.

All of his family members said he didn't behave badly with them though. The only account of him being intimidating towards his mom came from an account to the media from someone who claimed to be an anonymous coworker from 5+ years ago, but his mom herself made a statement saying the opposite. His grandma and great-uncle also said he was very polite and well-behaved. And I get the impression his great-uncle (who was interviewed in person) was being totally honest. He seemed in total disbelief that this happened.

I agree with many of your points and I am sure there are at least 2 or 3 sides to the story. Yes, a 16 year-old often has a say in which parent he/she wants to live with but ultimately the courts decide, basing themselves on what is in the best interests of the "child". With AS's previous history, restraining orders and track record, I can see why his "parenting" skills might have raised some red flags and that the mother might have been determined to be the preferred custodial parent.

I think this is the most likely explanation. That and maybe financial issues, since we know his dad became homeless a year later.

A town-wide cult.. I think that's a bit of a stretch. I think Al meant Bryer wanted away from his living situation with his mom in Port Alberni (although didn't he live with his grandma? or did his mom also live with grandma?). Who knows though, Al obviously has a grudge against his ex, Bryer's mother. He has no shortage of negative things to say about her. Maybe Al just wants to shift the blame on her or just away from himself... maybe that's just how he's dealing with it, maybe there's truth to it. I don't see why a 16 year old teen would want to move away from the town where his best friend since childhood, the one he seemed to be attached to like glue to, lived...

It sounded like he wanted to get away from Port Alberni because of not wanting to live with his mom/stepdad anymore, and also bullying in school.

Ironically it probably would have been better if he had, because then he would have been separated from Kam....

 

[CinNC]

Bryers Mother did speak out. She put out a written plea, which may have been the very best and most she could do. And that is the only public appearance she has made, all other publicity about her is what Al moans about at the drop of a hat, the classic undermining alienating non custodial parent, who shows not a skerrick of parental ability or capacity and only cuts the ground out from the custodial parent dealing with a young psychopath, which is what we all know now he was!

We all know Bryer was a psychopath because we see the bodies on the side of the highway, and we are obligated to match them to Bryer's actions.

Bryer didn't turn into one at some magical age. He was one, all along.

Nothing harder to live with than that.

And that is probably the hardest thing to live with of all. The question of, "what did I do and how am I responsible for helping to create this monster?". Ugh. I don't know if I could rationally cope with that. I think I'd be shooting arrows into the sky, too, just hoping that they landed on a viable target. I can't and won't vie for his public behaviors but I can empathize with what it must be like to lie in bed at night contemplating all of this horror. And then waking up with it. Every.Single.Day.

He did seem to be always gainfully employed, and now he is being ostracized from the job market because potential employers think he would be too much of a distraction. He said that BS had no options, so he lost all hope. Seems to be a like son, like father scenario, and AS is desperately howling at the moon in the hope that it will relieve his pain.

 

[Bluedaisy100]

Even by their own screwed up standards, they were underachievers. Sneaking up on unarmed, sleeping people unaware and killing them is like shooting fish in a barrel. No skill or imagination required. The 3 victims were extraordinary people whose recorded images speak to their engagement with life. These boys were miserable miseries who spent their last days waiting for a shoot out and got ignored instead. I suspect they were starving and eaten alive by bugs. Nothing glorious in that. I hope they suffered at the end and recognized their own stupidity

 

[CinNC]

There is every chance that Bryer played the disharmony between his parents like a Stradivarius violin. . Psychopathy revels in that scenario.

From what is seen of Al, Bryer has certainly played him to the absolute maximum. .. 'Dad... I am bullied!'... Dad...I neeed an Airsoft!... Dad... why can't I live with you.. ' .. 'Mum, help me, get me out of here I cant take no more of Dad'... Bryer would be as cunning as an outhouse rat in stoking those fires to achieve his own results..

The bit where Al says , the RCMP abducted B and took him back to PA against his wishes. Please. This is like a festival of good times to a psychopath. It has ALL the elements necessary for a good time, Dad in whirl, the RCMP all stern and cool, Bryer playing the pathetic little boy, torn in two....

He and Kam would have cried laughing about it all for weeks.

You are likely right. As far as paying the bills and putting food on the table and a roof over his head, his mother did that and his father, too, for part of his life. In this case, though, while BS's needs were being tended to he was developing a skewed perspective of life, how to live it, and what makes it worthwhile. And he was completely, utterly wrong.

 

[CinNC]

Even by their own screwed up standards, they were underachievers. Sneaking up on unarmed, sleeping people unaware and killing them is like shooting fish in a barrel. No skill or imagination required. The 3 victims were extraordinary people whose recorded images speak to their engagement with life. These boys were miserable miseries who spent their last days waiting for a shoot out and got ignored instead. I suspect they were starving and eaten alive by bugs. Nothing glorious in that. I hope they suffered at the end and recognized their own stupidity

I have also wondered if they felt trapped because they were being stalked by wildlife. The planes and boats might have spooked predators during the day, but they could have been warding off wolves, etc., making it impossible to sleep. Any predator would have realized they were "captive prey", and trapped at the bottom of that river bank.

 

[CinNC]

I must say, I am astonished that Al has not yet got to where it's Kam that shot his boy, Kam who had the truck that took him away from Port Alberni, Kam's money that bought the extra SKS, Kam who was his partner in every sense of the word, ..

Al just bypasses all this and gets stuck over and over on the ex and the RCMP.

Could be that it has been his reality for so long that his wagon wheels are sunk too deep into the trail's ruts to steer his way out of them.

 

[dust bunny]

A town-wide cult.. I think that's a bit of a stretch. I think Al meant Bryer wanted away from his living situation with his mom in Port Alberni (although didn't he live with his grandma? or did his mom also live with grandma?). Who knows though, Al obviously has a grudge against his ex, Bryer's mother. He has no shortage of negative things to say about her. Maybe Al just wants to shift the blame on her or just away from himself... maybe that's just how he's dealing with it, maybe there's truth to it. I don't see why a 16 year old teen would want to move away from the town where his best friend since childhood, the one he seemed to be attached to like glue to, lived...

 

[NJSleuth91]

And that is probably the hardest thing to live with of all. The question of, "what did I do and how am I responsible for helping to create this monster?". Ugh. I don't know if I could rationally cope with that. I think I'd be shooting arrows into the sky, too, just hoping that they landed on a viable target. I can't and won't vie for his public behaviors but I can empathize with what it must be like to lie in bed at night contemplating all of this horror. And then waking up with it. Every.Single.Day.

He did seem to be always gainfully employed, and now he is being ostracized from the job market because potential employers think he would be too much of a distraction. He said that BS had no options, so he lost all hope. Seems to be a like son, like father scenario, and AS is desperately howling at the moon in the hope that it will relieve his pain.

On a personal note, I already didn't want to have kids, but this case has cemented that decision for me. Everyone hopes for the best when they have kids, but it doesn't always turn out the way they hoped. Nobody ever has a kid thinking they're going to go out on a killing spree 19 years later. I think it's way too risky of an investment for the amount of resources it requires, personally.

 

[dust bunny]

Well, for starters he was failing out of his special ed school, unlikely to ever graduate, and did not want to continue. His mother was already in a new relationship, had a new young daughter on whom she doted and likely he was no longer the center of her attention. A carefree life with AS and an escape to another life with his dotting dad with none or far fewer expectations or responsibilities must have been very appealing.

As I have previously said in a prior thread, I think BS was subjected to parental alienation by both parents and was the "monkey in the middle" and knew how to play both sides when it suited him. Most children in such a situation will do so and play one parent against the other.

 

[Murphy1950]

On a personal note, I already didn't want to have kids, but this case has cemented that decision for me.

Don't let this case guide your decisions. I never had children (couldn't) but the continuity of their family, through children, are most of my friends greatest joy and happiness. Problems and stress, sure and lots...but the joys outweigh the problems in every case I know about.

 

[dust bunny]

Sounds like he is blaming RCMP:



Al Schmegelsky 2 days ago
Or RCMP already know that their actions caused this

 

[dust bunny]

yes, he is blaming the RCMP and everyone else.