Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #22

[dust bunny]

Yes, I think he is trying to do so as well as anyone else he can think of to possibly blame.

 

[KR72]

Sounds like he is blaming RCMP:



Al Schmegelsky 2 days ago
Or RCMP already know that their actions caused this

RCMP know their actions caused what?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

A town-wide cult.. I think that's a bit of a stretch. I think Al meant Bryer wanted away from his living situation with his mom in Port Alberni (although didn't he live with his grandma? or did his mom also live with grandma?). Who knows though, Al obviously has a grudge against his ex, Bryer's mother. He has no shortage of negative things to say about her. Maybe Al just wants to shift the blame on her or just away from himself... maybe that's just how he's dealing with it, maybe there's truth to it. I don't see why a 16 year old teen would want to move away from the town where his best friend since childhood, the one he seemed to be attached to like glue to, lived...

The island is known for a large witch errr, I mean Wiccan population... but I agree with you that it was in reference to his family situation. Maybe he even wanted to live on his own or live with Kam.

 

[LoisLane]

AS is scrambling for reporters to talk to him, running down his list and getting no replies resorting to comments on YouTube. His lawyer looked uncomfortable to be in the same room as him (link posted earlier). She will have to either streamline whatever it is she has been retained for in order to get him to keep a low profile or let him go fast. That will just add her name to the list of wrong doers. Kind of scary.

JMO.

 

[ktm44]

But typically at age sixteen, the courts will usually let the child choose where to live. The fact Bryer was given no say sounds like something else is going on. I don't doubt there is truth to his words. He likely was given a ****** hand. Bryer's mother likely had made it so difficult for Alan to see his son. I don't know what AS did to get criminal harassment charges brought up against him. He had to have done something in excess. If he truly just wanted to see his son, and his ex wasn't letting him, then yeah I can sympathize with that. Also, we only have what AS is saying to base an opinion. Somewhere there is her side of the story, his side of the story and the truth. Either way, they both let him down.



I think he had a place then, and after they took Bryer a second time, he went down hill. I swear he said he was only homeless the last two years.

Typically the courts will allow a child to choose where to live at 16, unless the courts have deemed that choice unsafe. My kid's father has a lengthy history of drug that reared it's ugly head after surgery and escalated to a point where things got quite ugly but the courts continued to grant his visitation right up until he his unsupervised visitation resulted in him leaving 3 children under the age of 8 unattended in a hotel for 12+ hours and children's services became involved.

Children's Services made the application on my behalf for supervised visits but from that point on, no court would have allowed the minors to live with their father, unless very certain criteria was met. In his case, he would have needed to prove had completed a drug and anger management programs, was drug free for a substantial period of time, had a verifiable full time job, a permanent address and would be subject to regular in home visits.

Not that I had any intention of putting my children in peril, I was advised that if I violated the supervised visits order and granted him unsupervised visits, I could be charged with violating a court order.

 

[LoisLane]

Yes, she was and Debra had been in a new relationship for some time with (I think his name was McClintock--sp???). They live or lived in Port Alberni and they had a little girl, BS'S half sister--I think she was probably between 4-5 years old, judging from the pictures that were posted on FB. This was all on Debra's Facebook page with many pictures of their daughter before all the posts were deleted.

“A judge sentenced Alan to have no contact or communication with his ex-wife and her boyfriend. In 2010, he was given a probation order after he was found guilty of breaching his court order.

Court documents obtained by CTV News Vancouver Island state that Alan was not to contact or communicate directly or indirectly with his former wife Deborah Sweeney and her boyfriend Jeff McKillop.”
Court documents shed light on family troubles of B.C. murder suspect

I think that BS’s moms boyfriend has been in the family for quite a few years (based on the above msm snip). In various news sources he is shown/identified answering the door and even made a brief comment about how shi### the situation is and they are sick to their stomachs. They were also reported to have left town because of the media frenzy. There are also photos on MSM of BS’s mom with a baby on her hip which was assumed to be her child with JM - so a half sibling to BS. I believe that was discussed way back. No we can’t copy from FB or discuss what we “sleuth” on this forum (typically only published news articles allowed as the basis) but we can probably safely assume that there is a toddler aged half sibling. Just don’t say or share FB posts and you are good to go.

JMO.

 

[Trooper]

AS is scrambling for reporters to talk to him, running down his list and getting no replies resorting to comments on YouTube. His lawyer looked uncomfortable to be in the same room as him (link posted earlier). She will have to either streamline whatever it is she has been retained for in order to get him to keep a low profile or let him go fast. That will just add her name to the list of wrong doers. Kind of scary.

JMO.

She certainly looked like she would rather be on the Aleutian Islands rather then Vancouver Island. Maybe she thought taking on Al pro bono would raise her profile, but gee.. at what cost? . He is like a wild horse, no way could she keep tabs on who he's talking to and what he's claiming as fact....Al seems to be gifted with the capacity to wheel out grief at the same pitch for quite a few different interviews.

And you can see , for sure, the end game here. She is going to be as reviled, as blamed , as libeled as the ex.

 

[LoisLane]

She certainly looked like she would rather be on the Aleutian Islands rather then Vancouver Island. Maybe she though taking on Al pro bono would raise her profile, but gee.. at what cost? . He is like a wild horse, no way could she keep tabs on who he's talking to and what he's claiming as fact....Al seems to be gifted with the capacity to wheel out grief at the same pitch for quite a few different interviews.

And you can see , for sure, the end game here. She is going to be as reviled, as blamed , as libeled as the ex.

I sure hope she knows what she is doing. She seemed confident until that short clip left me with a different impression.

I also noticed that BS has changed his apparel to be something along the lines of what his son would probably wear. Some sort of Magna I think (not my specialty).

 

[Hanami]

I’m catching up and just have to say that I felt pretty sad reading comments judging the killers’ parents and families. It’s beginning to feel like some are caught up in the thrill of the debate and forgetting that these are real human beings and victims of these terrible crimes. They have to face the unspeakable facts of what their CHILDREN were capable of and will never get a reprieve from all the weight behind that.

Parenting any child is tough. Parents of mentally ill children walk an especially painful and lonely road that I would not wish on anyone. I can’t even fathom the pain and doubt of parenting children like BS and KM.

If you haven’t walked a mile in the beat-up shoes of any of these devastated parents/guardians (and how could anyone have?) you have no right to judge their parenting, decisions, grief, outspokenness or silence. Full stop.

I’m new here and really expected more empathy and compassion from people who have been following this so closely. My opinion obviously.

 

[Vern]

Sounds like he is blaming RCMP:
Al Schmegelsky 2 days ago
Or RCMP already know that their actions caused this

That is exactly my take on his statement as well; he is blaming the RCMP for making his son go back to Port Alberni despite the son's wish not to and the "system" ie: the courts - for supporting such despite what his son wanted at age 16.

I'd love to know the reason why Bryer did not want to return to PA and wished instead to remain with his father.

There had to be some sort of relationship there despite all the hankering about Dad not being truly involved or giving a crap. I think Dad did try.

I suspect that AS is implying that he 'rescued' his son from his ex and BS's mother (the "Hex") when BS quit school in 2016 and ran away from PA to live with AS for a short period of time in Victoria. I gather this was very short-lived and may well have been curtailed by the intervention of social services and/or the police who likely returned him to his mother/grandmother (the "guardians"). BS was a minor at the time and his mother had custody. I believe AS was homeless then as well.

Sorry to say once again but IMO the blame game is AS's favourite theme song and I strongly doubt that he will stop singing it every chance he gets.

AS wasn't homeless until 2017ish IIRC.

A "short" period of time it may have been, but AS's comments indicate that it wasn't "short" due to either he or Bryer's choice. They wanted it to be longer and the RCMP removed him to the custodial parent despite Bryer being 16 and wanting to remain with his dad.

Don't hold it against AS that it was a "short" time. It's obviously not what he or Bryer wanted. And, so you know, the Courts here in Canada tend to listen to children and consider their choice at 12 years of age. Not this time though.

My belief that AS did in fact care, and was doing his best to spend one on one time with his son, despite everything, is cemented by the following excerpt regarding he and Bryer hunting "a number of times" in the same Yukon area that the boys were confirmed to be sighted at between the murders of Lucas & Chynna and that of Leonard.

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But before Manitoba, after they killed Deese and Fowler and before killing Dyck, the two did in fact cross the border into the Yukon on July 15, stopping at a gas station. According to police, Schmegelsky had hunted with his father in the area a number of times.

They stayed in the area until the evening of July 17. Over the course of those two days they were seen at two gas stations and by a traffic control supervisor who found them stopped along the Alaska Highway with apparent car troubles.

https://www.nelsonstar.com/news/dou...ix-facts-about-b-c-s-triple-homicide-manhunt/

That's numerous long voyages to take to go hunting with a son you really don't care about. These boys spent two days in that area between the two murder scenes - their longest "pause" in one area throughout the entire saga (until, of course they ran out of real estate in Manitoba). Someone had a connection to it - perhaps exactly because this is where he got to spend some actual quality time with his dad at.​

 

[Trooper]

I sure hope she knows what she is doing. She seemed confident until that short clip left me with a different impression.

I also noticed that BS has changed his apparel to be something along the lines of what his son would probably wear. Some sort of Magna I think (not my specialty).

She looked, to me, like a woman who had already been threatened in a subtle unexpected way. … .

 

[LoisLane]

That is exactly my take on his statement as well; he is blaming the RCMP for making his son go back to Port Alberni despite the son's wish not to and the "system" ie: the courts - for supporting such despite what his son wanted at age 16.

I'd love to know the reason why Bryer did not want to return to PA and wished instead to remain with his father.

There had to be some sort of relationship there despite all the hankering about Dad not being truly involved or giving a crap. I think Dad did try.

AS wasn't homeless until 2017ish IIRC.

A "short" period of time it may have been, but AS's comments indicate that it wasn't "short" due to either he or Bryer's choice. They wanted it to be longer and the RCMP removed him to the custodial parent despite Bryer being 16 and wanting to remain with his dad.

Don't hold it against AS that it was a "short" time. It's obviously not what he or Bryer wanted. And, so you know, the Courts here in Canada tend to listen to children and consider their choice at 12 years of age. Not this time though.

My belief that AS did in fact care, and was doing his best to spend one on one time with his son, despite everything, is cemented by the following excerpt regarding he and Bryer hunting "a number of times" in the same Yukon area that the boys were confirmed to be sighted at between the murders of Lucas & Chynna and that of Leonard.

​

https://www.nelsonstar.com/news/dou...ix-facts-about-b-c-s-triple-homicide-manhunt/

That's numerous long voyages to take to go hunting with a son you really don't care about. These boys spent two days in that area between the two murder scenes - their longest "pause" in one area throughout the entire saga (until, of course they ran out of real estate in Manitoba). Someone had a connection to it.​

The Yukon hunting with BS and his dad might be an error in reporting and that was supposed to be KM and his father. That came up because of all the other errors in the article which could be fact checked with the current police report that was issued on Friday.

I do think at least one of the boys had a connection or interest in Northern Manitoba possibly though KM and his paternal bloodline.

 

[Trooper]

I’m catching up and just have to say that I felt pretty sad reading comments judging the killers’ parents and families. It’s beginning to feel like some are caught up in the thrill of the debate and forgetting that these are real human beings and victims of these terrible crimes. They have to face the unspeakable facts of what their CHILDREN were capable of and will never get a reprieve from all the weight behind that.

Parenting any child is tough. Parents of mentally ill children walk an especially painful and lonely road that I would not wish on anyone. I can’t even fathom the pain and doubt of parenting children like BS and KM.

If you haven’t walked a mile in the beat-up shoes of any of these devastated parents/guardians (and how could anyone have?) you have no right to judge their parenting, decisions, grief, outspokenness or silence. Full stop.

I’m new here and really expected more empathy and compassion from people who have been following this so closely. My opinion obviously.

Al Schmegelsky has voluntarily placed himself in the public arena. Time and time again. As such, he invites comments , and comments are fair and reasonable.

No one forgets these parents of the killers are victims, although, always to be remembered and not pointed out in your post is that they are no where near as victimized as Mrs and Mr Deese, Mr and Mrs Fowler and Mrs Dyck. This has often been a secondary thing on these threads, and can bear repeating, as an unavoidable fact.

 

[LoisLane]

She looked, to me, like a woman who had already been threatened in a subtle unexpected way. … .

It was like she didn’t know where a safe spot to stand would be. I thought maybe AS was moving around the room maybe erratically or overly anxious. She seems caught of guard or shocked. Time will tell I guess.

 

[Trooper]

That is exactly my take on his statement as well; he is blaming the RCMP for making his son go back to Port Alberni despite the son's wish not to and the "system" ie: the courts - for supporting such despite what his son wanted at age 16.

I'd love to know the reason why Bryer did not want to return to PA and wished instead to remain with his father.

There had to be some sort of relationship there despite all the hankering about Dad not being truly involved or giving a crap. I think Dad did try.

AS wasn't homeless until 2017ish IIRC.

A "short" period of time it may have been, but AS's comments indicate that it wasn't "short" due to either he or Bryer's choice. They wanted it to be longer and the RCMP removed him to the custodial parent despite Bryer being 16 and wanting to remain with his dad.

Don't hold it against AS that it was a "short" time. It's obviously not what he or Bryer wanted. And, so you know, the Courts here in Canada tend to listen to children and consider their choice at 12 years of age. Not this time though.

My belief that AS did in fact care, and was doing his best to spend one on one time with his son, despite everything, is cemented by the following excerpt regarding he and Bryer hunting "a number of times" in the same Yukon area that the boys were confirmed to be sighted at between the murders of Lucas & Chynna and that of Leonard.

​

https://www.nelsonstar.com/news/dou...ix-facts-about-b-c-s-triple-homicide-manhunt/

That's numerous long voyages to take to go hunting with a son you really don't care about. These boys spent two days in that area between the two murder scenes - their longest "pause" in one area throughout the entire saga (until, of course they ran out of real estate in Manitoba). Someone had a connection to it - perhaps exactly because this is where he got to spend some actual quality time with his dad at.​

The hunting thing that is reported there, Al and Bryer is a bit of a conundrum, as Al in one of his interviews went ballistic ( no pun intended) about any suggestion that he gave his kid a real gun. 'no ..no I would never do that, that is so far out of my experience, I would never give him a real gun, I got him the airsoft for playing in the woods with, '.. and so on. He was absolutely, totally, unequivocally adamant that real guns, him and Bryer were never on the cards , ever at any time....

 

[Trooper]

Of course, he may have taken Bryer up to the Yukon and gone 'hunting' with an airsoft, but that seems a bit of a dizty thing to do, even for Al, that doesn't sound rational.

 

[Vern]

The Yukon hunting with BS and his dad might be an error in reporting and that was supposed to be KM and his father. That came up because of all the other errors in the article which could be fact checked with the current police report that was issued on Friday.

I do think at least one of the boys had a connection or interest in Northern Manitoba possibly though KM and his paternal bloodline.

Perhaps it is in error, but according to this article it was confirmed by police. No correction has been issued to that part and that article has been out for quite a few days now. The only correction that has been made was to updated that the PAL belonged to KM. You don't need a PAL to hunt in Canada. You need that to own a gun. You need only a Hunting Licence to hunt and you can be in possession of and fire a gun while hunting as long as you are with an individual holding a valid PAL. If his dad had a PAL, it certainly could be AS and Bryer who did the hunting there as the article notes the police confirmed

I do think it was KM who had a familial connection with Alberta, perhaps Manitoba too, but he had none at the location they ended up at.

 

[Vern]

Of course, he may have taken Bryer up to the Yukon and gone 'hunting' with an airsoft, but that seems a bit of a dizty thing to do, even for Al, that doesn't sound rational.

Uhmm, I don't know where you're getting airsoft rifle hunting from?? That's not in the article. And, I'm certain the police wouldn't have used the term "hunting" unless they were referring to real, actual hunting. Airsoft rifles are not used for such things. Bryer doesn't need a PAL to hunt with a real rifle with his dad here in Canada.

We have PALs in our house, but own no guns. We borrow my son's rifles when we go hunting.

 

[Trooper]

Uhmm, I don't know where you're getting airsoft rifle hunting from?? That's not in the article. Bryer doesn't need a PAL to hunt with a real rifle with his dad here in Canada.

We have PALs in our house, but own no guns. We borrow my son's rifles when we go hunting.

the Airsoft was in reference to the only gun that Al said Bryer had. He gave it to him as a gift, so that Bryer would 'play in the woods' with his friends. I know it isn't a 'hunting rifle'.. Al was incensed that anyone would even question him along the lines of him providing his son with a real shootem up rifle.

The Airsoft is not in the article , but it is in Al's interview.

SO that is the conundrum, you see? that article, where it says Al and Bry went hunting up to the Yukon , and Al saying live on tv that he would never give his son a real gun. …

How do we work that one out? .. I'm going with what Al said , live from his own little lips.

 

[LoisLane]

The hunting thing that is reported there, Al and Bryer is a bit of a conundrum, as Al in one of his interviews went ballistic ( no pun intended) about any suggestion that he gave his kid a real gun. 'no ..no I would never do that, that is so far out of my experience, I would never give him a real gun, I got him the airsoft for playing in the woods with, '.. and so on. He was absolutely, totally, unequivocally adamant that real guns, him and Bryer were never on the cards , ever at any time....

Maybe that’s why his lawyer seemed uneasy the other day.