Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #22

[CanadianSleuther]

It could be a phone but it also looks like something is hooked around his thumb, so I’m not sure.

I have a Samsung phone and that is just what it looks like to me. Even with AS confirming he got Bryer a Samsung pay as you go.

 

[LoisLane]

With all due respect, you may be confused about what a Canadian 'highway' is.

We call it a highway because it's the major route within towns. It doesn't necessarily mean it has pavement or passing lanes, especially up north. Clocking anything close to 140 km an hour just doesn't happen anywhere on that trip up north. (Actually, you couldn't expect to get away with 140 kmh anywhere in BC. Our roads aren't built to sustain that - maybe for a reason?)

Everyone driving up there is watchful for wildlife I would think.. Tourists take it slow because that's why they are visiting there. I'm thinking the average is 60 kmh. They enjoy it and the roads are built for that speed.

I agree that KM made great time driving up to Whitehorse.

It does make me wonder about stimulants.

JMO

I live in BC. The Coquihalla Hwy is set at 120km/h and I have found myself going faster than that at times (I can’t believe they have it at 120). People will exceed speed to drive 130/140 in BC. I see it all the time especially on the Coq. When I’m on flat stretches of road I’m comfortable at 120 on BC highways depending on traffic and road conditions. When I drive the Alberta highways it’s hard not to have a heavy foot. I drive a lot of highways between BC and AB. I have not driven the Alaska Hwy. But it looks like something I could manage and probably exceed speed limits at times. My point is that people speed and can manage high speeds regardless of the speed limits posted.

From what I have read online that highway is paved. Single lane highway, slow vehicles, wildlife can slow it down but if no traffic and night travelling it would be a breeze to pass.

 

[sprucetip]

I live in BC. The Coquihalla Hwy is set at 120km/h and I have found myself going faster than that at times (I can’t believe they have it at 120). People will exceed speed to drive 130/140 in BC. I see it all the time especially on the Coq. When I’m on flat stretches of road I’m comfortable at 120 on BC highways depending on traffic and road conditions. When I drive the Alberta highways it’s hard not to have a heavy foot. I drive a lot of highways between BC and AB. I have not driven the Alaska Hwy. But it looks like something I could manage and probably exceed speed limits at times. My point is that people speed and can manage high speeds regardless of the speed limits posted.

From what I have read online that highway is paved. Single lane highway, slow vehicles, wildlife can slow it down but if no traffic and night travelling it would be a breeze to pass.

The Alaska Highway is all paved and usually in good condition, unless there’s construction.

Police regularly post pics of speed demons and around Watson lake this year they has clocked someone going 160. Pretty speedy for the roads but 120 is normal, despite the sluggish 90km/hr speed limit. Tourists who are sightseeing usually do 90 or just below.

Those two definitely could have floored it and gotten there quicker, they’re just lucky no cops or wildlife were on the road.

And it’s true, the traffic almost totally stops at night. So no long line ups of RV’s to slow them down.

 

[LoisLane]

The Alaska Highway is all paved and usually in good condition, unless there’s construction.

Police regularly post pics of speed demons and around Watson lake this year they has clocked someone going 160. Pretty speedy for the roads but 120 is normal, despite the sluggish 90km/hr speed limit. Tourists who are sightseeing usually do 90 or just below.

Those two definitely could have floored it and gotten there quicker, they’re just lucky no cops or wildlife were on the road.

And it’s true, the traffic almost totally stops at night. So no long line ups of RV’s to slow them down.

Thank you. Makes perfect sense. Where I live the highway also has 90 km limits on the highway and there are more drivers than not exceeding that limit at all times of the day.

 

[SovereignSnake]

Could be, cause he's holding something. I initially thought something soft like a hat, but its so hard to tell.

Could it be a shaving kit? I thought he was holding a sweatshirt bunched up or a long sleeve shirt, but now I wonder if he didn't shave and brush his teeth in the bathroom prior to that being taken? He and Kam were probably both in the bathroom together for a while, brushing teeth, washing faces, etc. They probably did the old "bathe in the gas station bathroom sink routine" too. I know they said the shaving kit they found in the river on August 2nd (on the way to find the boat) was possibly Leonard's but it could have been Bryer's just as well. I mean he's 18 years old and he has dark brown hair, notice how he was clean shaven throughout. He never looked disheveled or the slightest hint of a beard or stubble in any of the photos. Bryer definitely kept up that military standard of keeping his face clean shaven. That brings me back to the body shaving thing. Notice how Bryer only says "...they have shaved in preparation for their own death." No specifics on what was shaved.

From Wikipedia: "Beards and sideburns are banned in all military and police forces since the early 20th century. A clean-shaved face is considered part of a spirit of order, hygiene and discipline. ... Protocol still requires officers to appear clean-shaved on duty, thus forcing those who choose to sport beards to grow them while on leave."

Could it be, Bryer meant he had only shaved his face and was speaking incorrectly for both of them? Kam did not shave his face according to Beardy when they found their bodies. Perhaps Kam just trimmed his beard and mustache? That still brings into question, did they they remove all their body hair? Arms, chest, arm pits, legs, pubic? From what I've read, it seems the hair on the head and face is not as important. Those were Islamic preparation rituals though. I still find it strange those two would follow anything Islamic (not to mention incredibly doubtful) since they seemed way more enthralled with Soviet and National Socialist Culture. I will say it was strictly a military thing, perhaps lightly inspired by the Islamic ritual but absolutely no religious ties were intended to the shaving. Honestly, I just really want to see these videos... I don't even think I could pick just one to watch. It would have to be all of them.

 

[Chingaling]

I could see the speeding because it was the middle of the night on open highway. They could clock 140-160kmh in that beast I’m guessing, but it would burn a lot of gas. If a bear or moose or deer came out of nowhere that would have been hard to avoid at those speeds. I wonder if anything like that happened.

That truck would be lucky to do 90 and it would be top heavy with the camper on it's back.And probably got only 14 or 15 miles to the gallon without the camper and maybe only 6 to 8 mile with it.They could have been speeding but that would be only about 75 or 80 at the most and then if they took any turns that fast it's gonna roll.

 

[CinNC]

I share your concerns and wouldn't be at all surprised if he is feeling suicidal already. If he is, hopefully he's getting some form of treatment, but somehow I rather doubt it. He has no-one in his life now at all. The fact that no-one in the family contacted him at the outset when the teens were missing shows how fractured the family really is. To learn this via the media and then that BS was a suspect would have been devastating. To now have to live with the knowledge that BS confessed to one or more of the murders could easily push him over the edge.

Whether people like it or not, let's face it, who else does he have to turn to but the media. Keeping his grief bottled up inside will only make him more unstable than he already is. We only know his side of the story and it doesn't sit well with a lot of people here.

We don't know why his marriage broke down in the first place, and that could have been at the root of his mental problems. I haven't read that he was a bad husband or father prior to his divorce. Many fathers commit suicide after a marriage breakdown and they lose access to their children. There are always two sides to every story and we've only heard one.

All I can say is, people are always talking about empathy on WS, so I'm surprised at the lack of empathy for a man who's so obviously badly broken. It's just sad.

I absolutely agree about your points regarding empathy. Absolutely agree.

I'd also like to add that nobody really knows much about AS OR these two teens or their families. It is absolutely impossible to formulate a 360-degree, fleshed-out profile of anybody based on the pointed and focused amount of info that has been in the MSM.

When people are tragically killed, others canonize them. When people do bad things, others vilify them. It is human nature and I myself have the same inclinations. We are moved by the news, and we tend to create a complete picture in our minds out of snippets of info.

I guarantee that if a tragedy befell me, all of my friends and family would be gushing over how wonderful I was. If I did a horrible thing, every person I know, (who may actually know more GOOD things about me than BAD things) would be talking about all of the other bad things I have ever done. They would be digging deep into their memories, telling about something random that happened when I was in, say, sixth grade, as though to say, "See, even then the writing was on the wall".

The reality is that nobody can say "I think" or "I know" or "I'm sure" or "I can pretty much guess" about anything where any of these peoples' personas are concerned, whether its the victims, the perpetrators, or the perpetrators' families.

I have a love/hate relationship with MSM; I'm a news junky, but at the same time I can see how peoples' thinking can be manipulated by what gets reported and what doesn't. Granted, it isn't always a matter of a skewed report on the part of MSM and they may just be presenting what they can find, which may or may not be much.

Just my two cents, which by now, with all of my other posts about empathy probably equal something more akin to $1.78.

 

[LoisLane]

That truck would be lucky to do 90 and it would be top heavy with the camper on it's back.And probably got only 14 or 15 miles to the gallon without the camper and maybe only 6 to 8 mile with it.They could have been speeding but that would be only about 75 or 80 at the most and then if they took any turns that fast it's gonna roll.

Are you talking miles not kilometres per hour?

 

[Chingaling]

Are you talking miles not kilometres per hour?

Yes soryy I read irt as miles.I live in the US and have driven a truck with a camper plenty of times.They are slow and bulky and easily rolled if not careful.And forget about gas mileage.Kam's may have been a deisel which would do better.But I can't imagine how much money they spent on fuel.Geesh almighty.

 

[Jealoushe]

That truck would be lucky to do 90 and it would be top heavy with the camper on it's back.And probably got only 14 or 15 miles to the gallon without the camper and maybe only 6 to 8 mile with it.They could have been speeding but that would be only about 75 or 80 at the most and then if they took any turns that fast it's gonna roll.

Why do you think it would only do 90? Good question do you mean MPH or KM/H? Thats a Ram 2500....that thing can haul . I have the same one, just a bit newer (20 years old) and I haul my horse trailer with it. My trailer is full steel and with 2 horses of 1200lbs+ each. it goes well over 90 no problem. If it is diesel, which I think it might be, the mileage is amazing. I can haul 500kms on a tank, which is under $120.

 

[Chingaling]

Yes soryy I read irt as miles.I live in the US and have driven a truck with a camper plenty of times.They are slow and bulky and easily rolled if not careful.And forget about gas mileage.Kam's may have been a deisel which would do better.But I can't imagine how much money they spent on fuel.Geesh almighty.

Oh my please disregard spelling.

 

[Chingaling]

Why do you think it would only do 90? Good question do you mean MPH or KM/H? Thats a Ram 2500....that thing can haul . I have the same one, just a bit newer (20 years old) and I haul my horse trailer with it. My trailer is full steel and with 2 horses of 1200lbs+ each. it goes well over 90 no problem. If it is diesel, which I think it might be, the mileage is amazing. I can haul 500kms on a tank, which is under $120.

Yes I was speaking in terms of MPH.How much is gas and deisel in CA.Deisel is over 3.50 a gal and gas is around 2.50 where I live.My little Nissan Juke only hold like 10 or 11 gal and that is around 20 dollars and less than 300 miles.

 

[Jealoushe]

Yes I was speaking in terms of MPH.How much is gas and deisel in CA.Deisel is over 3.50 a gal and gas is around 2.50 where I live.My little Nissan Juke only hold like 10 or 11 gal and that is around 20 dollars and less than 300 miles.

Ok that makes a bit more sense about the MPH lol

Right now Diesel is about $1/litre here, a bit less on the Rez near me.

 

[Chingaling]

Ok that makes a bit more sense about the MPH lol

Right now Diesel is about $1/litre here, a bit less on the Rez near me.

So sounds like deisel is a little bit higher here.They must have had quite a bit of cash on them when they left PA.

 

[Jan424]

Could it be a shaving kit? I thought he was holding a sweatshirt bunched up or a long sleeve shirt, but now I wonder if he didn't shave and brush his teeth in the bathroom prior to that being taken? He and Kam were probably both in the bathroom together for a while, brushing teeth, washing faces, etc. They probably did the old "bathe in the gas station bathroom sink routine" too. I know they said the shaving kit they found in the river on August 2nd (on the way to find the boat) was possibly Leonard's but it could have been Bryer's just as well. I mean he's 18 years old and he has dark brown hair, notice how he was clean shaven throughout. He never looked disheveled or the slightest hint of a beard or stubble in any of the photos. Bryer definitely kept up that military standard of keeping his face clean shaven. That brings me back to the body shaving thing. Notice how Bryer only says "...they have shaved in preparation for their own death." No specifics on what was shaved.

From Wikipedia: "Beards and sideburns are banned in all military and police forces since the early 20th century. A clean-shaved face is considered part of a spirit of order, hygiene and discipline. ... Protocol still requires officers to appear clean-shaved on duty, thus forcing those who choose to sport beards to grow them while on leave."

Could it be, Bryer meant he had only shaved his face and was speaking incorrectly for both of them? Kam did not shave his face according to Beardy when they found their bodies. Perhaps Kam just trimmed his beard and mustache? That still brings into question, did they they remove all their body hair? Arms, chest, arm pits, legs, pubic? From what I've read, it seems the hair on the head and face is not as important. Those were Islamic preparation rituals though. I still find it strange those two would follow anything Islamic (not to mention incredibly doubtful) since they seemed way more enthralled with Soviet and National Socialist Culture. I will say it was strictly a military thing, perhaps lightly inspired by the Islamic ritual but absolutely no religious ties were intended to the shaving. Honestly, I just really want to see these videos... I don't even think I could pick just one to watch. It would have to be all of them.

A shaving kit is a very possible, I never thought of that! And when I go back and look at the photo, it does look to be a larger object. At first, I thought something bunched up, as you said. A hat or even a shirt .... that still could be from washing in the bathroom .... he maybe removed his long sleeve shirt. It would make more sense if the shaving kit was in fact Bryer's as Prof Dyck had a full beard. I don't understand the shaving ritual either, and I wonder how difficult it would be to do all that shaving while on the run. I wish we did know what, exactly, they shaved.

 

[sandbar]

It could be a phone but it also looks like something is hooked around his thumb, so I’m not sure.

In the "Doritios pic", it looks like BS is holding an open wallet to me.

 

[Jan424]

I'd also like to add that nobody really knows much about AS OR these two teens or their families. It is absolutely impossible to formulate a 360-degree, fleshed-out profile of anybody based on the pointed and focused amount of info that has been in the MSM.

The reality is that nobody can say "I think" or "I know" or "I'm sure" or "I can pretty much guess" about anything where any of these peoples' personas are concerned, whether its the victims, the perpetrators, or the perpetrators' families.

SBM
Very true, everything you have said here. Although I do think there are some intelligent and compelling theories laid out here, we simply don't have any degree of absolute certainty.

 

[Solaris420]

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I really hope Alan is able to get the help he needs. This man is obviously fractured and imo it is absolutely disgusting the RCMP have not offered him any type of help AT ALL.

 

[dust bunny]

Could it be a shaving kit? I thought he was holding a sweatshirt bunched up or a long sleeve shirt, but now I wonder if he didn't shave and brush his teeth in the bathroom prior to that being taken? He and Kam were probably both in the bathroom together for a while, brushing teeth, washing faces, etc. They probably did the old "bathe in the gas station bathroom sink routine" too. I know they said the shaving kit they found in the river on August 2nd (on the way to find the boat) was possibly Leonard's but it could have been Bryer's just as well. I mean he's 18 years old and he has dark brown hair, notice how he was clean shaven throughout. He never looked disheveled or the slightest hint of a beard or stubble in any of the photos. Bryer definitely kept up that military standard of keeping his face clean shaven. That brings me back to the body shaving thing. Notice how Bryer only says "...they have shaved in preparation for their own death." No specifics on what was shaved.

From Wikipedia: "Beards and sideburns are banned in all military and police forces since the early 20th century. A clean-shaved face is considered part of a spirit of order, hygiene and discipline. ... Protocol still requires officers to appear clean-shaved on duty, thus forcing those who choose to sport beards to grow them while on leave."

Could it be, Bryer meant he had only shaved his face and was speaking incorrectly for both of them? Kam did not shave his face according to Beardy when they found their bodies. Perhaps Kam just trimmed his beard and mustache? That still brings into question, did they they remove all their body hair? Arms, chest, arm pits, legs, pubic? From what I've read, it seems the hair on the head and face is not as important. Those were Islamic preparation rituals though. I still find it strange those two would follow anything Islamic (not to mention incredibly doubtful) since they seemed way more enthralled with Soviet and National Socialist Culture. I will say it was strictly a military thing, perhaps lightly inspired by the Islamic ritual but absolutely no religious ties were intended to the shaving. Honestly, I just really want to see these videos... I don't even think I could pick just one to watch. It would have to be all of them.

 

[dust bunny]

Thank you. I thought he might be holding that dingbat cowboy hat in that picture but, yes, definitely, a shaving kit is a strong possibility and I am sure they used public washrooms whenever they could on their route. They wanted to appear as "normal" and as unremarkable as possible in public after their 1st murders so as to avoid detection and any questionable attention. I still feel quite strongly that their trip to the Yukon was to throw everyone off any possible connection to the LF and CD murders and an effort to create a retroactive alibi that they were actually doing as they had told some of their family members, job hunting in the Yukon. Balderdash!