Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #23

[Strangeworld]

An Australian man and his American girlfriend have died in suspicious circumstances in Canada, sparking fears they may have been murdered.

Lucas Fowler is reported to be the son of senior NSW police officer, Inspector Stephen Fowler. He was found dead alongside his girlfriend, North Carolina woman Chynna Deese, in British Columbia earlier this week sparking fears of foul play.

Chynna’s sister Kennedy Deese wrote they pair were “homicide victims along a remote stretch of highway in Canada while on a road trip.”

An older style blue mini-van the pair was believed to have been travelling was found at the scene.

Canadian police are looking for anyone who saw the vehicle or offered assistance. They’re also appealing for anyone that travelled the stretch of highway around the time of the discovery to come forward, according to a RCMP media release.

Australian man found dead in Canada


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[Solaris420]

More comments from Alan on another YouTube video.

Al Schmegelsky
“Cremate me and throw my ashes in the garbage.” That’s my kid’s final words before his best friend shot him in the back of the head.

Al Schmegelsky
You have absolutely no idea how hard it was to watch a video of your only child make a statement like this. I literally had to obtain pro bono legal help to seek access to this horrific last will and testament, Sarah, I am forever indebted. No child should ever reach this point. Where was Bryer’s safety net?

‘We have five deaths here. This is all preventable’: Breyer Schmegelsky’s father speaks out


Reading this broke my heart. I really hope Alan is able to find some help.

 

[poupetty77]

That is terribly sad if it is true.

I wonder if the content of those videos showed to unremorseful guys bragging and laughing about their crimes or two guys who were deeply depressed and couldn't show emotion about what they have done.

I doesn't change what they have done, obviously, nor the degree of responsibility. But it does change the "they were heartless sociopaths and nothing can be done to prevent another similar case" narrative.

 

[Jan424]

Al Schmegelsky
“Cremate me and throw my ashes in the garbage.” That’s my kid’s final words before his best friend shot him in the back of the head.
Reading this broke my heart. I really hope Alan is able to find some help.

SBM
What is tragic is that this is what Bryer thought of himself, his life. Garbage.
I hope there is help for Al and that he opts to take it.

ETA: I didn't think Bryer would request anything particularly special done with his remains, yet I really didn't expect this.

 

[Jan424]

I wonder if the content of those videos showed to unremorseful guys bragging and laughing about their crimes or two guys who were deeply depressed and couldn't show emotion about what they have done.

SBM
So far as I know, the RCMP never said K&B were bragging and laughing about their crimes, just that they were matter of fact, cold, remorseless. Also, they were talking about hijacking boats to faraway lands and going out to kill more people. Whether they believed it or not, they sounded pretty lively to me. IMO

 

[Runningforthewind]

Al Schmegelsky
“Cremate me and throw my ashes in the garbage.” That’s my kid’s final words before his best friend shot him in the back of the head.

Al Schmegelsky
You have absolutely no idea how hard it was to watch a video of your only child make a statement like this. I literally had to obtain pro bono legal help to seek access to this horrific last will and testament, Sarah, I am forever indebted. No child should ever reach this point. Where was Bryer’s safety net?

I wonder if Kam said something similar.

But if anything that just proves that these two boys weren't unremorseful. These two boys were likely seriously depressed, gave up on life. If your final wishes in life is to have your remains be thrown into trash. What does that say? There was some serious these two were feeling?

 

[Jan424]

I wonder if Kam said something similar.

But if anything that just proves that these two boys weren't unremorseful. These two boys were likely seriously depressed, gave up on life. If your final wishes in life is to have your remains be thrown into trash. What does that say? There was some serious **** these two were feeling?

We have no idea if they were remorseful, they didn't say. But given they were homicidal and suicidal, I'd guess they didn't place a value on any life at all. IMO

 

[NJSleuth91]

That is terribly sad if it is true.

I wonder if the content of those videos showed to unremorseful guys bragging and laughing about their crimes or two guys who were deeply depressed and couldn't show emotion about what they have done.

I doesn't change what they have done, obviously, nor the degree of responsibility. But it does change the "they were heartless sociopaths and nothing can be done to prevent another similar case" narrative.

Well the report said they were "matter-of-fact." So it seems like they didn't show emotion.

Yeah, it does change the narrative, doesn't it? Even if they didn't literally say "we're sorry," equating oneself to human garbage is a pretty strong message.

It seems...strategic...of the RCMP to leave that part out. And that's all I'll say about that.

SBM
What is tragic is that this is what Bryer thought of himself, his life. Garbage.
I hope there is help for Al and that he opts to take it.

ETA: I didn't think Bryer would request anything particularly special done with his remains, yet I really didn't expect this.

I wasn't surprised at all by this. I always suspected these guys hated themselves at least as much as they hated everyone else. In fact, everything else makes a lot more sense to me now.

I wonder if Kam said something similar.

But if anything that just proves that these two boys weren't unremorseful. These two boys were likely seriously depressed, gave up on life. If your final wishes in life is to have your remains be thrown into trash. What does that say? There was some serious **** these two were feeling?

It says they had some pretty deep self-loathing, before this trip happened, and even more so after.

I also wonder if Kam said something similar.

 

[MistyWaters]

This is the link to the first media appearance by AS, taped July 22nd, a day prior to K&B being declared suspects in the 3 murders. At that point, he clearly indicates he had no inkling B was troubled.

I’m intrigued by why he felt compelled to voluntarily tell the reporter that two years ago for Christmas, B asked for an airsoft rifle so the “fellows could go into the woods and play war”. Then he goes on to explain how war games were much central to their lives . “So, knowing that, that both of them are totally into that, if there was any threat, they would’ve done what they’ve actually trained themselves to do.” In hindsight, this interview is very interesting, almost as if he had a premonition but wasn’t able to acknowledge it.

video here-
Extended video from Monday: Father of Port Alberni suspect in northern B.C. murder case speaks to CHEK News


Is it a coincidence, what the man reported to the RCMP had occurred at Haines Junction two days before AS’s media interview? No, it add legitimacy to the report IMO. I think in that first interview AS might be closer to the truth to what occurred than he may have realized at the time - for K&B, the lines between a game and reality became blurred to the extent of their definition of craving for “adventure” involved the role of trained killers and then fleeing from the “enemy” (aka police). JMO

On July 17, 2019, at approximately 11:40 p.m., a witness was driving westbound on Alaska Highway and pulled off the road into a pullout to take a nap. This was located approximately 30 minutes west from Haines Junction Petro Canada and 2 hours 10 minutes west of Whitehorse. Within 5 minutes of being parked, a truck with camper drove past him and stopped about 50 yards ahead. An unknown male got out of the passenger side of the truck holding a long gun. The male walked towards the tree line and started moving towards the witness in a tactical or hunting stance. The truck also started driving slowly towards the witness. The witness drove away from the armed male and drove past the truck. The driver covered his face with his hand and the witness was not able to see the driver’s face. [Although the witness described the truck as being a white GMC, the time, location and male descriptions fit McLeod and Schmegelsky. The witness made the report to police on July 21, 2019.].
RCMP in British Columbia - Overview of Fort Nelson and Dease Lake Homicide Investigation

 

[Jan424]

It seems...strategic...of the RCMP to leave that part out. And that's all I'll say about that.
I wasn't surprised at all by this. I always suspected these guys hated themselves at least as much as they hated everyone else. In fact, everything else makes a lot more sense to me now.
It says they had some pretty deep self-loathing, before this trip happened, and even more so after.
I also wonder if Kam said something similar.

SBM
I do agree it is pretty obvious they loathed themselves and everyone else. I would guess people who value life and have a high level of self esteem and self preservation wouldn't choose to go out and gun innocent people down with a suicide pact in place for afterward.
I'd bet the farm Kam said something similar about his ashes. I know some were suggesting they would have elaborate ideas for their remains, but I figured they'd keep it simple. IMO
ETA: I'm sure the RCMP had their valid reasons for not sharing with the public the exact details of this video regarding the remains. IMO

 

[FactFinder3000]

re: the near miss incident

I think it's fairly obvious that the individual decided not to report it. There could be a wide variety of reasons for that. Use of alcohol, for example. Then, after they heard about the murders they decided to report it. Also, with low light it can be very difficult to tell the color or vehicles, or perhaps they were going by the camper color. I don't see any problem with the story at all. It seems very unlikely to me that the story is made up or it wasn't B&K.

 

[Jan424]

re: the near miss incident

I think it's fairly obvious that the individual decided not to report it. There could be a wide variety of reasons for that. Use of alcohol, for example. Then, after they heard about the murders they decided to report it. Also, with low light it can be very difficult to tell the color or vehicles, or perhaps they were going by the camper color. I don't see any problem with the story at all. It seems very unlikely to me that the story is made up or it wasn't B&K.

Agree, I totally believe the story. Plus, the person could have been exhausted, and the silver portion of the truck could have looked white in the dark, and the camper is white'ish. I believe it happened, and that it was K&B.

 

[SovereignSnake]

Wow, I've not posted in a week but just coming back today and reading what Alan posted last night on YouTube is so unbelievably heartbreaking. This whole story has broken my heart so many times throughout. It gives some context to that final video. I get that the RCMP said they were cold and remorseless but it also sounds like that cold, remorselessness could have been a byproduct of several things. It sounds like by the time Kam and Bryer made that video, they were cold (literally), wet, miserable, starving, dehydrated, sleep deprived, scared, irritated from mosquito and fly bites.. Maybe even sick if they got careless and drank any stream or river water. I feel like if we all watched that last video we would see two guys looking like they're about to die of natural causes, not even suicide. I would bet there's a serious tonal shift in the "we're hijacking a boat" video to the "this is the end" video. Like literally; "The party's over." I had said back in August or September I think in the final video there was regret and they were sorry it went this far. I don't think either of them would have ever openly admitted they were sorry on video or conveyed it, but I think inside they were sorry yet also knew they can't come back from this. I want to believe there was at least an ounce of compassion still left in either of them. I think Kam and Bryer were afraid to die but the condition they were both in physically and mentally by the time they killed themselves probably made it that much easier. Although as we discovered, Bryer still couldn't go through with it. I want to see this video because I want to see how much they deteriorated mentally being in the elements as long as they were. Still, with nothing to compare that to, we would have to see all of the videos.

 

[SovereignSnake]

Interesting also, I was reading the comments from earlier about the person who came forward to the RCMP. I went back and read the final report again and one word stood out to me about this anonymous person. They refer to them as a "witness." I had said many weeks ago that perhaps Bryer sent a Snapchat photo of one of the crime scenes to a friend or even just a photo in a text message of the back of the van with the window shot out still on the side of the road from that night of the 14th/15th similar to the one we saw on Twitter as one example. I find it strange they actually said "witness" like what did this anonymous person actually witness? They weren't there when the murders happened so what did they see or what were they told rather? They may have even received a text message. I could be looking too much into it but the use of the word "witness" has been sticking out to me. I know they said Kam and Bryer were not using their cellphones from the 17th of July onward but I don't think that's necessarily true. Kam perhaps, but I think Bryer kept his. Even still something too with the changing of the Instagram photo. It could be that or this person didn't come forward for 5 days even after what they purportedly saw or read. I said perhaps this witness didn't take it seriously or were scared to come forward to the RCMP. I'm curious if the RCMP is in possession of what this person saw or read or if it was a Snapchat photo and it disappeared after they received it. Makes me wonder also if the photo had to be recovered from a database if that was indeed the case.

"At approximately 2:00 p.m., primary investigators became aware of a witness who came forward to a RCMP detachment and provided a statement. The witness knew McLeod and Schmegelsky and believed the boys may have been involved in the murders. This is the first time that police learned that McLeod and Schmegelsky may be capable of the murders which conflicted with original witness statements from family and associates."

 

[Jan424]

It gives some context to that final video. I get that the RCMP said they were cold and remorseless but it also sounds like that cold, remorselessness could have been a byproduct of several things. I had said back in August or September I think in the final video there was regret and they were sorry it went this far, I don't think either of them would have ever openly admitted they were sorry on video or conveyed it, but I think inside they were sorry yet also knew they can't come back from this. I want to believe there was at least an ounce of compassion still left in either of them. I think Kam and Bryer were afraid to die but the condition they were both in physically and mentally by the time they killed themselves probably made it that much easier. Still, with nothing to compare that to, we would have to see all of the videos.

SBM
And, that's the problem ... unfortunately, we will never fully know since we haven't see them on the videos. I really don't think they were afraid to die, I think they planned on this all along. Perhaps afraid of actually killing themselves, but not of death itself. I honestly just don't think they cared about living any longer and hadn't for a long time. I too, wish we heard some type of apology or remorse ... but we didn't get that, at least not in the way we had hoped. IMO

 

[NJSleuth91]

Wow, I've not posted in a week but just coming back today and reading what Alan posted last night on YouTube is so unbelievably heartbreaking. This whole story has broken my heart so many times throughout. It gives some context to that final video. I get that the RCMP said they were cold and remorseless but it also sounds like that cold, remorselessness could have been a byproduct of several things. It sounds like by the time Kam and Bryer made that video, they were cold (literally), wet, miserable, starving, dehydrated, sleep deprived, scared, irritated from mosquito and fly bites.. Maybe even sick if they got careless and drank any stream or river water. I feel like if we all watched that last video we would see too guys looking like they're about to die of natural causes, not even suicide. I would bet there's a serious tonal shift in the "we're hijacking a boat" video to the "this is the end" video. Like literally; "The party's over." I had said back in August or September I think in the final video there was regret and they were sorry it went this far, I don't think either of them would have ever openly admitted they were sorry on video or conveyed it, but I think inside they were sorry yet also knew they can't come back from this. I want to believe there was at least an ounce of compassion still left in either of them. I think Kam and Bryer were afraid to die but the condition they were both in physically and mentally by the time they killed themselves probably made it that much easier. Although as we discovered, Bryer still couldn't go through with it. I want to see this video because I want to see how much they deteriorated mentally being in the elements as long as they were. Still, with nothing to compare that to, we would have to see all of the videos.

I'm really wondering what other "unimportant" and "trivial" details weren't disclosed in the report.

I always thought it was weird that their final wishes were just to be cremated. I was like "Really? That's all there is to it?" It seemed like such a random thing to say as one's final wishes, in those circumstances. Especially because chances were they would have to be cremated anyway, given the ambient environmental conditions. Now we find out it was actually "cremate me and throw the ashes in the garbage"...yeah that kind of changes the meaning a whole lot, doesn't it?

“The difference between the almost right word and the right word is really a large matter. ’Tis the difference between the lightning bug and the lightning.” -- Mark Twain

 

[SovereignSnake]

SBM
And, that's the problem ... unfortunately, we really will never fully know since we haven't see them on the videos. I really don't think they were afraid to die, I think they planned on this all along. Perhaps afraid of actually killing themselves, but not of death itself. I honestly just don't think they cared about living any longer and hadn't for a long time. I too, wish we heard some type of apology or remorse ... but we didn't get that, at least not in the way we had hoped. IMO

@Jan424 totally agree! That's what I mean't. Afraid of going through with the actual suicide act. I also don't think either of them feared death, just the path of getting there.

 

[Jan424]

@Jan424 totally agree! That's what I mean't. Afraid of going through with the actual suicide act. I also don't think either of them feared death, just the path of getting there.

Apologies, @SovereignSnake ... I didn't realize you meant that! Yes, I agree with that!

 

[Jan424]

Interesting also, I was reading the comments from earlier about the person who came forward to the RCMP. I went back and read the final report again and one word stood out to me about this anonymous person. They refer to them as a "witness." I had said many weeks ago that perhaps Bryer sent a Snapchat photo of one of the crime scenes to a friend or even just a photo in a text message of the back of the van with the window shot out still on the side of the road from that night of the 14th/15th similar to the one we saw on Twitter as one example. I find it strange they actually said "witness" like what did this anonymous person actually witness? They weren't there when the murders happened so what did they see or what were they told rather? They may have even received a text message. I could be looking too much into it but the use of the word "witness" has been sticking out to me. I know they said Kam and Bryer were not using their cellphones from the 17th of July onward but I don't think that's necessarily true. Kam perhaps, but I think Bryer kept his. Even still something too with the changing of the Instagram photo. It could be that or this person didn't come forward for 5 days even after what they purportedly saw or read. I said perhaps this witness didn't take it seriously or were scared to come forward to the RCMP. I'm curious if the RCMP is in possession of what this person saw or read or if it was a Snapchat photo and it disappeared after they received it. Makes me wonder also if the photo had to be recovered from a database if that was indeed the case.

"At approximately 2:00 p.m., primary investigators became aware of a witness who came forward to a RCMP detachment and provided a statement. The witness knew McLeod and Schmegelsky and believed the boys may have been involved in the murders. This is the first time that police learned that McLeod and Schmegelsky may be capable of the murders which conflicted with original witness statements from family and associates."

Its also interesting that this "witness" came forward way after the police apparently had already interviewed the families and "associates", which I'd think would include friends.

 

[MistyWaters]

Interesting also, I was reading the comments from earlier about the person who came forward to the RCMP. I went back and read the final report again and one word stood out to me about this anonymous person. They refer to them as a "witness." I had said many weeks ago that perhaps Bryer sent a Snapchat photo of one of the crime scenes to a friend or even just a photo in a text message of the back of the van with the window shot out still on the side of the road from that night of the 14th/15th similar to the one we saw on Twitter as one example. I find it strange they actually said "witness" like what did this anonymous person actually witness? They weren't there when the murders happened so what did they see or what were they told rather? They may have even received a text message. I could be looking too much into it but the use of the word "witness" has been sticking out to me. I know they said Kam and Bryer were not using their cellphones from the 17th of July onward but I don't think that's necessarily true. Kam perhaps, but I think Bryer kept his. Even still something too with the changing of the Instagram photo. It could be that or this person didn't come forward for 5 days even after what they purportedly saw or read. I said perhaps this witness didn't take it seriously or were scared to come forward to the RCMP. I'm curious if the RCMP is in possession of what this person saw or read or if it was a Snapchat photo and it disappeared after they received it. Makes me wonder also if the photo had to be recovered from a database if that was indeed the case.

"At approximately 2:00 p.m., primary investigators became aware of a witness who came forward to a RCMP detachment and provided a statement. The witness knew McLeod and Schmegelsky and believed the boys may have been involved in the murders. This is the first time that police learned that McLeod and Schmegelsky may be capable of the murders which conflicted with original witness statements from family and associates."

An “eye witness” witnesses a crime but a witness can be anybody with knowledge important to an investigation. In this case police said the witness who came forward believed the two may be capable of murder, contrary to the “good boy” narrative while they were still considered missing. Wasn’t there also one or two later media quotes from unknown sources which pointed that same direction too, iirc something about things B had said to others in the past? I recall discussions here about “red flags”.

Even without knowing the two, if you read back to the early WS threads many here immediately believed the two were the guilty culprits responsible for all three murders as well (although I will admit at the time I was sceptical). This witness who knew the two was simply the first to come forward. I’d be certain there were more.

“The witness knew McLeod and Schmegelsky and believed the boys may have been involved in the murders. This is the first time that police learned that McLeod and Schmegelsky may be capable of the murders which conflicted with original witness statements from family and associates."


Definition of WITNESS
- one who has personal knowledge of something